Okafor trade talk: Will he be traded by the deadline?

[DusterBuster]

I don't think Portland would want him. My guess is Colangelo put it out there to save face after the report about him looking like an idiot and the whole thing was a ploy.

Because Portland sold Plumlee. They got a 1st and Nurkic back. The Sixers are trying to sell Okafor.

So Portland went from being buyers to sellers in like 12 hours? I don't buy it.

How does the news of Portland backing out save face for Bryan? It makes him look like a fool.


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I don't really think it makes BC look like a fool. Denver just came in with a better offer. Nurk and Okafor probably were valued around the same in terms of talent by Portland, so when Denver threw in a 1st on top of Nurk, that was kinda a no-brainer. Especially if, as is likely, Philly was asking for a 1st as opposed to giving one like Denver did.

[hookshot199]

Portland got a lopsided trade. If that was the alternative glad we didn't do the deal. Still this is bull. At some point there is going be a breaking point with Okafor and his agent.

If there isn't a decent offer out there right now we can wait until the offseason but he needs to be moved if possible. This was a self-inflicted wound. We didn't need this. We have so many other things we need to decide on by the deadline. Ersan. Henderson. Noel. Sergio. Okafor was a distant 5th. He has 2.5 years left we could have afforded to be patient. Now we can't and the entire league knows we shopped him hard and failed to move him. We are going to get lowballed bad. Sigh BC.

Henderson is a team option. Sergio will be gone. Noel should be offered three or four because we can do it without impacting our cap. Ilyasova will be signed or not signed in June. I suspect there's a big debate going on now. Brown wants him, but do we need him with Saric and perhaps Noel requiring minutes at the four.

I say: A smart draft deadline move would be Ilaysova.

[DusterBuster]

I don't think Portland would want him. My guess is Colangelo put it out there to save face after the report about him looking like an idiot and the whole thing was a ploy.

Because Portland sold Plumlee. They got a 1st and Nurkic back. The Sixers are trying to sell Okafor.

So Portland went from being buyers to sellers in like 12 hours? I don't buy it.

I think you've got a bit too much of a tinfoil hat going on there. This is in line with the tweets that were going on the day Okafor was being held out. That one CSN reporter tweeted that these talks were more serious than talks with Bulls or Pelicans. We all went back and forth a bit on what he tweet meant exactly, if it was a new team or just deep discussions with one of those two. This seems to corroborate that tweet that in fact those talks were with a new team. Considering Portland was mentioned that day as one of 3 or 4 teams hot after Okafor, there's no reason to go all conspiracy theory over buyers/sellers.

The Blazers were clearly in the market for a young C who had a few years left on a rookie contract, both Denver and Philly had one they were looking to move and the Blazers took the best offer they could get, which was clearly the Denver deal.

[LongLiveHinkie]

With Bryan Colangelo, having a tinfoil hat is mandatory attire for any Sixers fan.

[DusterBuster]

With Bryan Colangelo, having a tinfoil hat is mandatory attire for any Sixers fan.

Apparently....

[Ericb5]

I don't think Portland would want him. My guess is Colangelo put it out there to save face after the report about him looking like an idiot and the whole thing was a ploy.

Because Portland sold Plumlee. They got a 1st and Nurkic back. The Sixers are trying to sell Okafor.

So Portland went from being buyers to sellers in like 12 hours? I don't buy it.

How does the news of Portland backing out save face for Bryan? It makes him look like a fool.


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I don't really think it makes BC look like a fool. Denver just came in with a better offer. Nurk and Okafor probably were valued around the same in terms of talent by Portland, so when Denver threw in a 1st on top of Nurk, that was kinda a no-brainer. Especially if, as is likely, Philly was asking for a 1st as opposed to giving one like Denver did.

It makes him look like a fool because he let Okafor basically say goodbye to his teammates, and then held him out of the game. That should never have been done until a deal was agreed to.


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[LongLiveHinkie]

Regardless, it doesn't matter. If there was or wasn't a deal, it's over. I cringe in thinking what we'd get in return, it's probably for the best that the deal didn't go through.

[DusterBuster]

How does the news of Portland backing out save face for Bryan? It makes him look like a fool.


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I don't really think it makes BC look like a fool. Denver just came in with a better offer. Nurk and Okafor probably were valued around the same in terms of talent by Portland, so when Denver threw in a 1st on top of Nurk, that was kinda a no-brainer. Especially if, as is likely, Philly was asking for a 1st as opposed to giving one like Denver did.

It makes him look like a fool because he let Okafor basically say goodbye to his teammates, and then held him out of the game. That should never have been done until a deal was agreed to.


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I still don't see how that's making him look like a fool. Whenever deals are close enough to getting done, this is standard protocol to hold a player out so he doesn't get injured. No GM would have done anything different. Most likely situation is that the deal was probably mostly agreed to, Portland asked for the night to call around on their other targets to see what the final offers were and if nothing better came about it, they'd do the deal in the morning. Portland did their calls, Denver came with a better offer and they took it.

This all seems like pretty standard practice by NBA teams on everyones part.

[DusterBuster]

Regardless, it doesn't matter. If there was or wasn't a deal, it's over. I cringe in thinking what we'd get in return, it's probably for the best that the deal didn't go through.

Should be exciting to see what you guys end up with whenever you do trade him.....

[Arsenal]

Again Steve Bulpett (Celtics Insider who is plugged into Ainge) makes clear the Celtics had interest in Jahlil Okafor at the 2016 trading deadline:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/celtics_insider/2017/02/bulpett_danny_ainge_willing_but_patient_as_trade_deadline

I think this corroborates the past stories that Ainge was close to acquiring Okafor last year and a Brooklyn pick was part of the deal. It's not a stretch to believe the other reports that Hinkie wanted to do the deal but Snake Sr. and/or Harris quashed it. After all, Hinkie was gone less than 2 months from that time.

F you Harris. F you Silver. F you Colangelo.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Regardless, it doesn't matter. If there was or wasn't a deal, it's over. I cringe in thinking what we'd get in return, it's probably for the best that the deal didn't go through.

Should be exciting to see what you guys end up with whenever you do trade him.....

I don't think he's gonna get traded, but if he does it's probably the Pelicans.

[the_process]

ESPN reporting the Pacers are shopping their 1st rounder for a wing or front court starter. Not sure if they'd want Okafor.

I'll answer for them. No the Pacers definitely don't want Okafor and give up their first round pick.

But they actually could use Ilyasova. So package the two and get their pick, a future swap, and a bad contract in return.

[DusterBuster]

Regardless, it doesn't matter. If there was or wasn't a deal, it's over. I cringe in thinking what we'd get in return, it's probably for the best that the deal didn't go through.

Should be exciting to see what you guys end up with whenever you do trade him.....

I don't think he's gonna get traded, but if he does it's probably the Pelicans.

You may be right, but there a real argument to be made Okafor's value isn't going to get better if he gets pushed to routinely being the Sixers 3rd string C. Everyone is about as down on him right now as they can be and that won't get better from him racking up DNP's or the occasional injury forced 20mpg by Noel or Embiid. It's a hard balancing act. There's also an argument to be made about keeping him due to both Noel and Embiid being so massively injury prone, so Okafor is nice insurance, but it's also going to kill his ability to mature as a player with only getting spot minutes.

You guys can **** on BC all you want, but I don't envy him with the mess he has to try and clean up at C right now.

[76thBearCub]

Porzingis as Robin to Embiid aka Batman would have flipped the NBA on its head.

Id bet my left nut thats who Hinkie wanted

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[LongLiveHinkie]

Should be exciting to see what you guys end up with whenever you do trade him.....

I don't think he's gonna get traded, but if he does it's probably the Pelicans.

You may be right, but there a real argument to be made Okafor's value isn't going to get better if he gets pushed to routinely being the Sixers 3rd string C. Everyone is about as down on him right now as they can be and that won't get better from him racking up DNP's or the occasional injury forced 20mpg by Noel or Embiid. It's a hard balancing act. There's also an argument to be made about keeping him due to both Noel and Embiid being so massively injury prone, so Okafor is nice insurance, but it's also going to kill his ability to mature as a player with only getting spot minutes.

You guys can **** on BC all you want, but I don't envy him with the mess he has to try and clean up at C right now.

The Sixers don't even need Okafor with Holmes as depth. He fits what the Sixers do better anyway. Run the floor, block shots.

Colangelo was in a tough situation, but he made it worse by not dealing Okafor during the draft. I don't know what offers were out there, but I can guarantee you they were better than what he has now. He procrastinated and it is costing him.

[76thBearCub]

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[Cheatergriffin]

Should be exciting to see what you guys end up with whenever you do trade him.....

I don't think he's gonna get traded, but if he does it's probably the Pelicans.

You may be right, but there a real argument to be made Okafor's value isn't going to get better if he gets pushed to routinely being the Sixers 3rd string C. Everyone is about as down on him right now as they can be and that won't get better from him racking up DNP's or the occasional injury forced 20mpg by Noel or Embiid. It's a hard balancing act. There's also an argument to be made about keeping him due to both Noel and Embiid being so massively injury prone, so Okafor is nice insurance, but it's also going to kill his ability to mature as a player with only getting spot minutes.

You guys can **** on BC all you want, but I don't envy him with the mess he has to try and clean up at C right now.

Pretty sure most hate BC because of his father and how we were forced with both like a domino effect because of weak ownership folding to Silver.

[DusterBuster]

I don't think he's gonna get traded, but if he does it's probably the Pelicans.

You may be right, but there a real argument to be made Okafor's value isn't going to get better if he gets pushed to routinely being the Sixers 3rd string C. Everyone is about as down on him right now as they can be and that won't get better from him racking up DNP's or the occasional injury forced 20mpg by Noel or Embiid. It's a hard balancing act. There's also an argument to be made about keeping him due to both Noel and Embiid being so massively injury prone, so Okafor is nice insurance, but it's also going to kill his ability to mature as a player with only getting spot minutes.

You guys can **** on BC all you want, but I don't envy him with the mess he has to try and clean up at C right now.

The Sixers don't even need Okafor with Holmes as depth. He fits what the Sixers do better anyway. Run the floor, block shots.

Colangelo was in a tough situation, but he made it worse by not dealing Okafor during the draft. I don't know what offers were out there, but I can guarantee you they were better than what he has now. He procrastinated and it is costing him.

I have no skin in the game, but I don't give BC nearly as much blame. He has been GM of the team for like 2 months before the draft. He barely knew what he had and didn't want to risk making a major decision without complete first-hand knowledge of what he's working with on that roster.

I have this same argument with Blazer fans who expect the GM to predict the future, that's just not a reasonable or realistic opinion to have of GM's.

[XDevilBoiX]

Again Steve Bulpett (Celtics Insider who is plugged into Ainge) makes clear the Celtics had interest in Jahlil Okafor at the 2016 trading deadline:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/celtics_insider/2017/02/bulpett_danny_ainge_willing_but_patient_as_trade_deadline

I think this corroborates the past stories that Ainge was close to acquiring Okafor last year and a Brooklyn pick was part of the deal. It's not a stretch to believe the other reports that Hinkie wanted to do the deal but Snake Sr. and/or Harris quashed it. After all, Hinkie was gone less than 2 months from that time.

F you Harris. F you Silver. F you Colangelo.

You can hate Hinkie for tanking or whatever reason you want but the man truly knows when to flip players at their highest value. Too bad his replacement is so incompetent that we will won't even get fair value for them now.

[Ericb5]

I don't really think it makes BC look like a fool. Denver just came in with a better offer. Nurk and Okafor probably were valued around the same in terms of talent by Portland, so when Denver threw in a 1st on top of Nurk, that was kinda a no-brainer. Especially if, as is likely, Philly was asking for a 1st as opposed to giving one like Denver did.

It makes him look like a fool because he let Okafor basically say goodbye to his teammates, and then held him out of the game. That should never have been done until a deal was agreed to.


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I still don't see how that's making him look like a fool. Whenever deals are close enough to getting done, this is standard protocol to hold a player out so he doesn't get injured. No GM would have done anything different. Most likely situation is that the deal was probably mostly agreed to, Portland asked for the night to call around on their other targets to see what the final offers were and if nothing better came about it, they'd do the deal in the morning. Portland did their calls, Denver came with a better offer and they took it.

This all seems like pretty standard practice by NBA teams on everyones part.

Have you ever seen an example where a player was held out due to a trade and wasn't actually traded? I can't think of one.

That's the problem. I understand the trading game, and how teams can change their minds, or get better deals, but I think that you need a handshake agreement before you tell the player.

Okafor is a good kid that is taking it well, and by all accounts the team has communicated to him with respect, and it isn't weird, but it is still wrong.

At this point, I have accepted that Okafor doesn't fit, and I would rather take pennies on the dollar than keep him around. However, I STILL am firmly in Okafor's camp in terms of believing that he is going to be a good player for someone. I believe in the kid, and in that sense, I'm a Prokafor still. I just recognize that he needs to be traded.

If Bryan can salvage something for him before the deadline then good for him. I surely am not taking back Asik for a lottery protected pick though.


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