2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread III

[LongLiveHinkie]

I could see the Sixers really falling in love with Isaac if they stay at 3. I don't think Josh Jackson is going to be clear cut for them at 3. I think it's a tough decision at 3. If they don't see high scoring upside with Jackson, I don't think they are gonna take him.

I think workouts will actually be super important this year. I wonder if Jackson shoots really poor in workouts if they'd take him.

[PhilasFinest]

I could see the Sixers really falling in love with Isaac if they stay at 3. I don't think Josh Jackson is going to be clear cut for them at 3. I think it's a tough decision at 3. If they don't see high scoring upside with Jackson, I don't think they are gonna take him.

I think workouts will actually be super important this year. I wonder if Jackson shoots really poor in workouts if they'd take him.

I agree...but then again, if scoring is such a huge factor, I'm not so sure Issac would be the clear cut choice either.

Isaac is pretty raw offensively too. Sure, his shot may have better form then Jackson, but I don't think he's anymore of a "scorer" or shooterthen Jackson is. Jackson has a upper hand in that department as a whole and has a much better handle along with the aggression/mindset.

Certainly agree with you on the #3 option being far from a lock. Would not be surprised at all if we took someone like Monk/Tatum/Fox/Smith or even traded down and took one of them as well.

[Kobblehead]

If Jonathan Isaac projected to be a high volume scorer, he'd have a legit shot at going #1.

[SelfishPlayer]

The Sixers are not selecting Isaac. There is no way they will create such a log jam at forward, especially with a forward that can log zero minutes at guard. If any player clearly will get passed on as BPA in favor of "fit" it will be Isaac. It's difficult to regret passing on BPA because if you drafted them they would just sit the bench and not develop properly like with Jahlil and Noel people will just call them busts instead of players that teams failed to develop properly. Isaac would not develop properly as a Sixer.

[LongLiveHinkie]

I could see the Sixers really falling in love with Isaac if they stay at 3. I don't think Josh Jackson is going to be clear cut for them at 3. I think it's a tough decision at 3. If they don't see high scoring upside with Jackson, I don't think they are gonna take him.

I think workouts will actually be super important this year. I wonder if Jackson shoots really poor in workouts if they'd take him.

I agree...but then again, if scoring is such a huge factor, I'm not so sure Issac would be the clear cut choice either.

Isaac is pretty raw offensively too. Sure, his shot may have better form then Jackson, but I don't think he's anymore of a "scorer" or shooterthen Jackson is. Jackson has a upper hand in that department as a whole and has a much better handle along with the aggression/mindset.

Certainly agree with you on the #3 option being far from a lock. Would not be surprised at all if we took someone like Monk/Tatum/Fox/Smith or even traded down and took one of them as well.

Problem is, I majorly question every player in this draft being a high level scorer except Fultz. Obviously we need a shooter, but more importantly I think we need a high level wing/guard scorer. From hearing Colangelo speak, I think he wants the same thing if he can find it. Which is why I think if they stay at 3, their pick will factor that in a lot. It's why I think this draft is highly overrated. I think every prospect outside of Fultz is highly flawed, and I don't love any prospect in this draft except for him.

Positionally, this draft fits our needs well, but skill-wise I don't think it does. At pick #3 I don't see a lot of high level scoring/shooting potential there. I really think trading that pick will be majorly in play.

[OleSchool]

The Sixers are not selecting Isaac. There is no way they will create such a log jam at forward, especially with a forward that can log zero minutes at guard. If any player clearly will get passed on as BPA in favor of "fit" it will be Isaac. It's difficult to regret passing on BPA because if you drafted them they would just sit the bench and not develop properly like with Jahlil and Noel people will just call them busts instead of players that teams failed to develop properly. Isaac would not develop properly as a Sixer.

[Negrodamus]

I think Isaac can be Rashard Lewis on offense. Isn't that what we need on this team?

[Unbreakable99]

The Sixers are not selecting Isaac. There is no way they will create such a log jam at forward, especially with a forward that can log zero minutes at guard. If any player clearly will get passed on as BPA in favor of "fit" it will be Isaac. It's difficult to regret passing on BPA because if you drafted them they would just sit the bench and not develop properly like with Jahlil and Noel people will just call them busts instead of players that teams failed to develop properly. Isaac would not develop properly as a Sixer.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. One of BC's goals is to get a player who can play behind Saric or move him to the bench. BC loves stretch 4s. I definitely think Isaac is in the discussion.

[OleSchool]

The Sixers are not selecting Isaac. There is no way they will create such a log jam at forward, especially with a forward that can log zero minutes at guard. If any player clearly will get passed on as BPA in favor of "fit" it will be Isaac. It's difficult to regret passing on BPA because if you drafted them they would just sit the bench and not develop properly like with Jahlil and Noel people will just call them busts instead of players that teams failed to develop properly. Isaac would not develop properly as a Sixer.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. One of BC's goals is to get a player who can play behind Saric or move him to the bench. BC loves stretch 4s. I definitely think Isaac is in the discussion.

Ersan is a Fa, and Id be ok with bringing him back

[SelfishPlayer]

The Sixers are not selecting Isaac. There is no way they will create such a log jam at forward, especially with a forward that can log zero minutes at guard. If any player clearly will get passed on as BPA in favor of "fit" it will be Isaac. It's difficult to regret passing on BPA because if you drafted them they would just sit the bench and not develop properly like with Jahlil and Noel people will just call them busts instead of players that teams failed to develop properly. Isaac would not develop properly as a Sixer.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. One of BC's goals is to get a player who can play behind Saric or move him to the bench.

That's just poor roster construction because Saric is already competing for minutes at PF with Simmons and Covington.

[Negrodamus]

If his consistency and aggressiveness matched his measurables/talent level I wouldn't mind him at 3. Even knowing that bringing him along will bring about some stupid oddball lineups.

What don't you like about the lineups? I feel like he fits quite well with Simmons and Embiid.

I think Simmons is a 4 and when the dust settles from all the crap they're gonna try to do with him I think that's where he'll end up. Which means ain't no real room for Issac. I consider Covington as much a part of the core as anyone else so if he and Ben are taking 30+ minutes and Saric is getting leftover minutes you end up with nothing for Issac...unless you try what I consider stupid lineups where guys are at the 1 or the 3 or whatever crap you have to do to get guys on the floor. Not worth it for a guy who is as inconsistent and beta like Issac.

I think the idea for this team is switching on PnR. In this DX video, you see Isaac is able to defend 1-4. The length of Cov, Simmons, Isaac, Embiid will not allow anyone to get a clean shot. Additionally they all have backside rim protection ability. Those 4 would be an unprecedented lineup, but I think it could work defensively. If Simmons can distribute like a point guard (which, judging by what Brett Brown has been saying, he seems confident) then offensively, we're fine. My only concern is defense with that lineup, but all 4 are incredibly athletic, agile, and great at defense.

Watched a bit of Isaac last year, but this video really shows how incredible he is at moving on the defensive end. Doesn't bite. Uses momentum well. It would be amazing to watch.

[smittybanton]

Rawle Alkins goes back to school.

[PhillyNj]

The top 3 players in this draft are .
Fultz,Ball, and Jackson.
I'm 100 percent convinced, the Sixers will draft whoever falls to us.
Only Fultz is guaranteed to stay though!

[PhilasFinest]

I think Isaac can be Rashard Lewis on offense. Isn't that what we need on this team?

While I get what your saying, Rashard Lewis was a pretty legit scorer and shooter. For his career he was a near 40% 3PT shooter w/ high volume. If Issac was that type of shooter/scorer, he'd probably be the #1 pick and be crowned the next KD.

[PhilasFinest]

The Sixers are not selecting Isaac. There is no way they will create such a log jam at forward, especially with a forward that can log zero minutes at guard. If any player clearly will get passed on as BPA in favor of "fit" it will be Isaac. It's difficult to regret passing on BPA because if you drafted them they would just sit the bench and not develop properly like with Jahlil and Noel people will just call them busts instead of players that teams failed to develop properly. Isaac would not develop properly as a Sixer.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. One of BC's goals is to get a player who can play behind Saric or move him to the bench. BC loves stretch 4s. I definitely think Isaac is in the discussion.

Why not see what Saric can do with a year under his belt?

If "stretch" 4 is what he wants, Im sure that can be communicated by both himself and the coaching staff. Dario could be putting in work this off-season to improve his shot/consistency.

I get Saric has some athletic limitations and we are all constantly enamored with what could be with others in the draft year after year, but Saric played pretty damn well this season, especially at the end of the year with a bigger role. He is a willing defender, understands the game, rebounds, hustles and is a crafty scorer/creator. His shot is streaky, but you can't just leave him open from 3, and he has the stones to take the big shots.

A more consistent 3 ball and I see no reason why Dario Saric can't fill the Kevin Love role for the Cavs right now.

[Unbreakable99]

The Sixers are not selecting Isaac. There is no way they will create such a log jam at forward, especially with a forward that can log zero minutes at guard. If any player clearly will get passed on as BPA in favor of "fit" it will be Isaac. It's difficult to regret passing on BPA because if you drafted them they would just sit the bench and not develop properly like with Jahlil and Noel people will just call them busts instead of players that teams failed to develop properly. Isaac would not develop properly as a Sixer.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. One of BC's goals is to get a player who can play behind Saric or move him to the bench. BC loves stretch 4s. I definitely think Isaac is in the discussion.

Why not see what Saric can do with a year under his belt?

If "stretch" 4 is what he wants, Im sure that can be communicated by both himself and the coaching staff. Dario could be putting in work this off-season to improve his shot/consistency.

I get Saric has some athletic limitations and we are all constantly enamored with what could be with others in the draft year after year, but Saric played pretty damn well this season, especially at the end of the year with a bigger role. He is a willing defender, understands the game, rebounds, hustles and is a crafty scorer/creator. His shot is streaky, but you can't just leave him open from 3, and he has the stones to take the big shots.

A more consistent 3 ball and I see no reason why Dario Saric can't fill the Kevin Love role for the Cavs right now.

Dario has gotten his jump shot better every year overseas. I do expect improvement. He has it in him. I think he can become a 40% 3 point shooter and become a decent stretch 4. He puts in the work.

[PhilasFinest]

I wouldn't be so sure about that. One of BC's goals is to get a player who can play behind Saric or move him to the bench. BC loves stretch 4s. I definitely think Isaac is in the discussion.

Why not see what Saric can do with a year under his belt?

If "stretch" 4 is what he wants, Im sure that can be communicated by both himself and the coaching staff. Dario could be putting in work this off-season to improve his shot/consistency.

I get Saric has some athletic limitations and we are all constantly enamored with what could be with others in the draft year after year, but Saric played pretty damn well this season, especially at the end of the year with a bigger role. He is a willing defender, understands the game, rebounds, hustles and is a crafty scorer/creator. His shot is streaky, but you can't just leave him open from 3, and he has the stones to take the big shots.

A more consistent 3 ball and I see no reason why Dario Saric can't fill the Kevin Love role for the Cavs right now.

Dario has gotten his jump shot better every year overseas. I do expect improvement. He has it in him. I think he can become a 40% 3 point shooter and become a decent stretch 4. He puts in the work.

I agree.

Look at Kevin Love:

Rookie year: Literally no 3 point shot. shot 10% 3PT and barely even attempted them. ( .2 att a game)
Soph Year: 33% 3PT (1.8 3PA a game)
3rd year: 41% 3PT (2.8 3PA a game)

For his career: 36% from 3.

Dario shot 31% in his rookie year, on 4 3PA a game. Obviously not all that good, but he made you defend him on the perimeter ala Covington due to volume and has the skill to make plays on close outs. He has upside

[SelfishPlayer]

The Sixers have no talent at guard and so many people around here aren't in a hurry to add any because people truly are Hinkie adherents. In the religion of Hinkism you keep a weak backcourt so that you can stay in the lottery forever. You keep TJ and Stauskas in the backcourt then add a SF like Josh Jackson while playing him out of position at SG like Iggy and Turner did in the past to no great success.

[JojoSlimbiid]

I actually don't expect much improvement from Saric this upcoming season. I expect his jump to occur in his 3rd year. I think after he goes through this upcoming season he'll realize how grueling his schedule has been and forgo his national team responsibilities to rest and improve his game for the NBA.

[snoopdogg88]

All this anti-Jackson talk from all the podcasts and articles lately is depressing

It's starting to feel like this is a top 2 stars heavy draft with Fultz and Ball and the Sixers missed out.