Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[Skates]

Zion has the look of a guy that will earn that max contract then go into full breakdown mode. I just don't see him having a career even as healthy as Embiid, his body is just too huge and his game too violent.

We really should start taking bets on how many trade Simmons threads and pages we will be at when he is finally moved. 488+ down already page wise, lol.

[Iverson Armband]

Look at jordan poole and josh primo.

Poole would probably be the best guard on our team right now. If he keeps this up and Klay is healthy Warriors are a handful.

[76ciology]

Look at jordan poole and josh primo.

Poole would probably be the best guard on our team right now. If he keeps this up and Klay is healthy Warriors are a handful.

Yup. Ive been eyeing him since last season and is on my “underrated scorers” list which i mentioned like a handful pages back.

Primo is also a guy who we should consider trading for and should be on top of the list if we are looking to trade with the Spurs, not Murray.

[76ciology]

Scenario: Nets and Warriors believe they can win it all by trade deadline. Sixers raised the white flag and decides to take a breather. All trade partners for Ben decides to walk away, except for the Spurs.

Spurs:
Ben Simmons
- I dont know what to say, just imagine i found a reason why

Warriors:
Tobias Harris
Danny Green
- upgraded on both ends
- warriors stars’ clock is ticking

Steph
Klay
Danny Green
Tobias
Draymond

Nets:
Thybulle
Drummond
- Thybulle can be paired with any of their star scorers. Sacrificed offense for defense. Nets stars’ clock is ticking

Kyrie
Harden
Thybulle
KD
Drummond
LOL

Sixers
Josh Primo
Cam Thomas
Kuminga
Andrew Wiggins (shorter contract than Tobi)
Aminu (expiring)
Thad Young (expiring)
Spurs 2022 1st
Spurs 2023 pick swap
Spurs 2024 1st

[Jhawk03]

Scenario: Nets and Warriors believe they can win it all by trade deadline. Sixers raised the white flag and decides to take a breather. All trade partners for Ben decides to walk away, except for the Spurs.

Spurs:
Ben Simmons
- I dont know what to say, just imagine i found a reason why

Warriors:
Tobias Harris
Danny Green
- upgraded on both ends
- warriors stars’ clock is ticking

Steph
Klay
Danny Green
Tobias
Draymond

Nets:
Thybulle
Drummond
- Thybulle can be paired with any of their star scorers. Sacrificed offense for defense. Nets stars’ clock is ticking

Kyrie
Harden
Thybulle
KD
Drummond
LOL

Sixers
Josh Primo
Cam Thomas
Kuminga
Andrew Wiggins (shorter contract than Tobi)
Aminu (expiring)
Thad Young (expiring)
Spurs 2022 1st
Spurs 2023 pick swap
Spurs 2024 1st

That's putting it mildly. I mean is this before or after we trade Joel?

[Trafford10]

A lot of what I'm feeling is just disappointment. I really thought Ben was one of us and wanted to win here

Let's be honest he got ran out of town.
Ben clearly has the sense not to hang around where he is not wanted and packed up and moved to LA.
Also at least he has the integrity to burn pay cheques rather than faking an injury or claiming "mental health issues".

One of the benefits of trading Simmons is we lose his stans and apologists too

What I wrote is a simple fact.
"apologist" what are you talking about? You lot thought he was rubbish and wanted him gone and now he is gone.
Whatever is left over is just scraps of the dinner table. Morey should just do the best deal he can get and get it done soon.

[76ciology]

Scenario: Nets and Warriors believe they can win it all by trade deadline. Sixers raised the white flag and decides to take a breather. All trade partners for Ben decides to walk away, except for the Spurs.

Spurs:
Ben Simmons
- I dont know what to say, just imagine i found a reason why

Warriors:
Tobias Harris
Danny Green
- upgraded on both ends
- warriors stars’ clock is ticking

Steph
Klay
Danny Green
Tobias
Draymond

Nets:
Thybulle
Drummond
- Thybulle can be paired with any of their star scorers. Sacrificed offense for defense. Nets stars’ clock is ticking

Kyrie
Harden
Thybulle
KD
Drummond
LOL

Sixers
Josh Primo
Cam Thomas
Kuminga
Andrew Wiggins (shorter contract than Tobi)
Aminu (expiring)
Thad Young (expiring)
Spurs 2022 1st
Spurs 2023 pick swap
Spurs 2024 1st

That's putting it mildly. I mean is this before or after we trade Joel?

Before. You’re actually halfway there already right now.

Just think about we’re we are at right now then simulate it 2-3 years in the future. Do you see us as a contender?

If Embiid is a guy who wants to lead a team to a championship while we see flat development from our guys while we get meh return for Ben, the likelihood that he’ll ask for a trade increases by a lot. This is considering where he is now, the condition of his health and the projection of talent incoming to this team.

If Embiid really values the team over himself, and if we look like not a contender by trade deadline, we should explore this situation for it gives you a better window to be a contender coming to next season.

The only hope for the Sixers to be a contender this season is Maxey making that Donovan Mitchell type leap or Sixers getting a windfall return for Ben.

If things click next offseason, you can easily find guys like Green and Drummond next offseason.

[Trafford10]

I don’t agree with Ben sitting out but he’s got no future on the Sixers and he knows it

Morey has been trying to trade him for nearly a year

As far as I'm aware trades are a part of the NBA. Since when does the potential of being traded give any player latitude to quit showing up for their job? They are compensated with that uncertainty priced in.

He’s not being paid atm so …

Bingo!!

[Jhawk03]

Let's be honest he got ran out of town.
Ben clearly has the sense not to hang around where he is not wanted and packed up and moved to LA.
Also at least he has the integrity to burn pay cheques rather than faking an injury or claiming "mental health issues".

One of the benefits of trading Simmons is we lose his stans and apologists too

What I wrote is a simple fact.
"apologist" what are you talking about? You lot thought he was rubbish and wanted him gone and now he is gone.
Whatever is left over is just scraps of the dinner table. Morey should just do the best deal he can get and get it done soon.

What was all this talk about Doc doing damage control, Embiid and the Sixers begging him to come back, Embiid saying how he loves playing with Ben, just in the past week? Seems like a very strange way to run someone outta town

[Trafford10]

There was a report last week that Klutch was expecting that any proceeds from penalties that Ben misses will be recouped once he is traded. Today's report from the 76ers to not allow that might be a bitter pill for Klutch moving forward.

A report from Klutch or a journalist who makes a living by making things up?
As far as I'm aware Klutch & Simmons have said nothing publicly, or did I miss something?

[Jhawk03]

Scenario: Nets and Warriors believe they can win it all by trade deadline. Sixers raised the white flag and decides to take a breather. All trade partners for Ben decides to walk away, except for the Spurs.

Spurs:
Ben Simmons
- I dont know what to say, just imagine i found a reason why

Warriors:
Tobias Harris
Danny Green
- upgraded on both ends
- warriors stars’ clock is ticking

Steph
Klay
Danny Green
Tobias
Draymond

Nets:
Thybulle
Drummond
- Thybulle can be paired with any of their star scorers. Sacrificed offense for defense. Nets stars’ clock is ticking

Kyrie
Harden
Thybulle
KD
Drummond
LOL

Sixers
Josh Primo
Cam Thomas
Kuminga
Andrew Wiggins (shorter contract than Tobi)
Aminu (expiring)
Thad Young (expiring)
Spurs 2022 1st
Spurs 2023 pick swap
Spurs 2024 1st

That's putting it mildly. I mean is this before or after we trade Joel?

Before. You’re actually halfway there already right now.

Just think about we’re we are at right now then simulate it 2-3 years in the future. Do you see us as a contender?

If Embiid is a guy who wants to lead a team to a championship while we see flat development from our guys while we get meh return for Ben, the likelihood that he’ll ask for a trade increases by a lot. This is considering where he is now, the condition of his health and the projection of talent incoming to this team.

If Embiid really values the team over himself, and if we look like not a contender by trade deadline, we should explore this situation for it gives you a better window to be a contender coming to next season.

The only hope for the Sixers to be a contender this season is Maxey making that Donovan Mitchell type leap or Sixers getting a windfall return for Ben.

If things click next offseason, you can easily find guys like Green and Drummond next offseason.

I get the need to look into the future, and Green plus Drummond could be replaced in the offseason, but obliterating the core minus Joel is a bit chaotic and increases the odds of another full rebuild. For that matter, Maxey should be traded as well, which all of it is like the worst case scenario for the best immediate recovery in the near future

[76ciology]

Relative to the team, Ben was not run out of town.
- the team has to build around it’s best player
Relative to Ben, he was run out of town
- the team didnt build around Ben as a special talent not as an athletic Kyle Anderson

Overall, the situation run Ben out. Ben never was a good compliment for Biid for Ben has to play on a certain style and structure that isn’t necessarily fitted for Biid.

[Trafford10]

Boy that'd be a quick way to kill his valuation. FO discussions will be about how he's mentally unstable and, thus, unplayable in playoff situations. Whether that's true or not doesn't matter, no team will look bad by not offering a ton for him.

The downsides to "mental health issues" as an injury would be 1) attempting that as an injury and failing (thus not getting paid), and 2) his legacy as a player. If he's sitting for over a year due to killing his value and being injured, then he's missing prime years of his play. Then again, maybe he doesn't really care about that if he's collecting a paycheck.

All that said, if he's really having a debilitating mental health decline, I truly hope he is able to make a full recovery.

Clearly Simmons had a lack of confidence issue with shooting in the play off series and the coaches couldn't address it in time. This type of thing is not uncommon in sport and is usually worked through with the coaches and a sports psychologists can really help also.

But look, there is no doubt that Philadelphia (Team & fans) broke up with Ben first and maybe that also played a big part in him losing confidence.

In any event Ben is not coming back and I think it's true he will be a better player somewhere else.

He demanded a trade then didn't show up to camp.

Org and fans told him to get better. He quit.

Please....give me a break, he "demanded" a trade when every man and his dog knew that Philadelphia wanted to trade him.

[76ciology]

That's putting it mildly. I mean is this before or after we trade Joel?

Before. You’re actually halfway there already right now.

Just think about we’re we are at right now then simulate it 2-3 years in the future. Do you see us as a contender?

If Embiid is a guy who wants to lead a team to a championship while we see flat development from our guys while we get meh return for Ben, the likelihood that he’ll ask for a trade increases by a lot. This is considering where he is now, the condition of his health and the projection of talent incoming to this team.

If Embiid really values the team over himself, and if we look like not a contender by trade deadline, we should explore this situation for it gives you a better window to be a contender coming to next season.

The only hope for the Sixers to be a contender this season is Maxey making that Donovan Mitchell type leap or Sixers getting a windfall return for Ben.

If things click next offseason, you can easily find guys like Green and Drummond next offseason.

I get the need to look into the future, and Green plus Drummond could be replaced in the offseason, but obliterating the core minus Joel is a bit chaotic and increases the odds of another full rebuild. For that matter, Maxey should be traded as well, which all of it is like the worst case scenario for the best immediate recovery in the near future

Yup.

Either sacrifice now for a better future or sacrifice the future for a better now. That’s the choice sixers has to choose.

Not choosing is a slow death towards mediocrity

[Trafford10]

Relative to the team, Ben was not run out of town.
- the team has to build around it’s best player
Relative to Ben, he was run out of town
- the team didnt build around Ben as a special talent not as an athletic Kyle Anderson

Overall, the situation run Ben out. Ben never was a good compliment for Biid for Ben has to play on a certain style and structure that isn’t necessarily fitted for Biid.

I Think that is fair comment.

[Jhawk03]

Before. You’re actually halfway there already right now.

Just think about we’re we are at right now then simulate it 2-3 years in the future. Do you see us as a contender?

If Embiid is a guy who wants to lead a team to a championship while we see flat development from our guys while we get meh return for Ben, the likelihood that he’ll ask for a trade increases by a lot. This is considering where he is now, the condition of his health and the projection of talent incoming to this team.

If Embiid really values the team over himself, and if we look like not a contender by trade deadline, we should explore this situation for it gives you a better window to be a contender coming to next season.

The only hope for the Sixers to be a contender this season is Maxey making that Donovan Mitchell type leap or Sixers getting a windfall return for Ben.

If things click next offseason, you can easily find guys like Green and Drummond next offseason.

I get the need to look into the future, and Green plus Drummond could be replaced in the offseason, but obliterating the core minus Joel is a bit chaotic and increases the odds of another full rebuild. For that matter, Maxey should be traded as well, which all of it is like the worst case scenario for the best immediate recovery in the near future

Yup.

Either sacrifice now for a better future or sacrifice the future for a better now. That’s the choice sixers has to choose.

Not choosing is a slow death towards mediocrity

We all know which option or choice has been made over the past few years, sacrificing now would be the organizations way of admitting failure for the moves made over the past 3+ years. On top of losing both Ben and Joel, logistically it's impossible

[Jhawk03]

Relative to the team, Ben was not run out of town.
- the team has to build around it’s best player
Relative to Ben, he was run out of town
- the team didnt build around Ben as a special talent not as an athletic Kyle Anderson

Overall, the situation run Ben out. Ben never was a good compliment for Biid for Ben has to play on a certain style and structure that isn’t necessarily fitted for Biid.

I Think that is fair comment.

Thrown under the bus, run outta town, call it what you want. The fact of the matter is Ben has 4 years on his contract. Where in the hell are the adults in the room?

[76ciology]

Relative to the team, Ben was not run out of town.
- the team has to build around it’s best player
Relative to Ben, he was run out of town
- the team didnt build around Ben as a special talent not as an athletic Kyle Anderson

Overall, the situation run Ben out. Ben never was a good compliment for Biid for Ben has to play on a certain style and structure that isn’t necessarily fitted for Biid.

I Think that is fair comment.

Overall I get everyone’s sentiment. I just find that how Ben handled it was wrong.

He could have just said that he feels his talent wont be maxed out with the Sixers because he thinks he can be much better than who he is on other team where the structure is different. Then he could post this vids of him making these step back and fade away as a way of telling that to everyone.

Then he would just play through it while making trade demands on the side. Like an amicable divorce. And quite frankly, by being PROFESSIONAL than some spoiled egomaniac overpaid millionaire

[76ciology]

When you’re paid 9 digits, you’re supposed to handle everything professionally like it’s a business. Because you’re being paid that much to leave your feelings on the sidelines.

[Jhawk03]

When you’re paid 9 digits, you’re supposed to handle everything professionally like it’s a business. Because you’re being paid that much to leave your feelings on the sidelines.

That's true, and a caveat to that is working to meet the expectations laid out in your contract. I didn't like how things worked out after the Hawks series one bit, but it seems like the "That's life" narrative and "you have to fulfill your obligations as a functioning adult when it comes to your contract" seems to apply to everyone except Ben. It's nauseating because it was handled so poorly, but giving a player, or a person like Ben EXCUSES to NOT carry out his contractual obligation that HE SIGNED is setting up a horrible precedent for future athletes.