Joel: unchained.

[kevin44]

Your GM has put your team in a bad place. ESPN just had a story that Joel is untradable. Not a fan of George. Maxey is incredible and his contract is cheap. Build around him if you can move Joel and George. I can't see you guys beating the Celtics or Cavs in the near future. Good luck

[Kova]

Incredible how embarrassing Embiid looks on the court right now. Better shut it down, do another surgery and see if you can get it fixed. If not, it's time to move on.
His decline in the past year has been rapid.

[mjkvol]

If Jo was an honorable man he'd give back that MVP trophy to Jokic.

I still think that Morey needs to blow it up completely, get the top6 pick back, and build around Maxey/McCain. A trio of Maxey/McCain/Maluach (or another draft pick of your choice, maybe they even luck out and land Cooper Flagg) could already be a good young core going forward. But the beautiful thing is that they'd still be bad enough next year to be in on the Dybantsa/Peterson sweepstakes. With some luck, this rebuild could be a really fast one, Morey just needs to be decisive and realize that the current team isn't going to win anything.

Didn't Embiid lead the league in scoring that season? It's insane how people talk about Embiid as if he didn't even belong in the MVP conversations for the 4 or 5 years he finished top 3 in MVP votes. The guy finished the season averaging 33/10/4 whiling anchoring a top 10 defense in the league. Peak Embiid was an incredible player and without a doubt MVP worthy

Embiid wins MVP in 2021 and was on track to winning a unanimous MVP in 2024 if he stayed healthy.

Revision about his career is going to be disgraceful, I just saw fans victimizing Tobias Harris yesterday.

100%. The revisionist history going on about Tobias and especially Glenn by a lot of people is a joke. Just because this organization remains an embarrassment, all of a sudden we're going to revise the narrative on two of the primary reasons it was an embarrassment in the first place? Idiotic.

And at the expense of the only bright spot (along with Maxey) in this whole sad decade.

[the_process]

Jo slander? Understandable.

Tobias flowers?? GTFO.

[mjkvol]

Jo slander? Understandable.

To the point of questioning his MVP and forgetting the great moments he provided, which aside from Maxey were pretty much the only great moments we had? Sorry, but way more of this mess falls on the hideous mismanagement of the franchise and the inability to hire a decent coach or build a proper team around Embiid when he was at the top of his game.

[the_process]

Jo slander? Understandable.

To the point of questioning his MVP and forgetting the great moments he provided, which aside from Maxey were pretty much the only great moments we had? Sorry, but way more of this mess falls on the hideous mismanagement of the franchise and the inability to hire a decent coach or build a proper team around Embiid when he was at the top of his game.

After he retires, I believe we will start to hear to more about Embiid's work ethic and compatibility being comparable to Iverson. In other words, a lot of the blame for not being able to build a team around them falls on their own shoulders.

[Mik317]

as with everything in life, its a bit of both in terms of who is at fault lol.

Biid waited too long to get into the best shape and i also think he just doesn't know how to play without being the everything system guy...which his body simply can't handle. In order for his career at this stage to continue, he needs to become a much better and willing catch and shoot guy, cut out the responsibility of self creation and hard post ups and be willing to take a back seat more. Part of the issues this year when he does play is that he forces the team out of rhythm on both ends because of his rigidity. The team during the few good times, had the ball moving and them swarming on defense. Biid back and it becomes stagnant as they attempt to force the ball to him at all times and back to the allowing guys free access because they used to be afraid of him at the rim. his lost step and lack of availability makes that not as effective which we have seen in the playoffs. He is such a talent that even at 50% he puts up all star numbers but this is the first time they aren't impactful. He needs to adjust his game...and just doesn't seem willing or able to do so and since the game he wants to play requires his body to also comply idk.

HOWEVA

The whole point of this offseason was to get a team that could Kawhii Raptors their way to enough wins that Biid could gradually accept the lesser role and learn how to fit in.....and welp. Maxey spent most of the year miserable and forcing it in an attempt to get to the line which negatively effected his game. PG has been hurt in various ways since the preaseason and isn't the shooter promised and his own loss of a step mean his creation chops are gone. The role players at the start of the year (and some now) were the worst shooters possible...and thus you had a roster that couldn't hang without Biid at the peak of his powers...and thus none of that Kawhii Raptors **** applies.

This is where I go I TOLD YOU SO but even my negative ass didn't expect all of that (Drummond being unplayable for one)

But alas the reality is that the former means its over and we have no moves to really fix the latter so it is also over lol. As stated many times, If the Joel Embiid led Sixers ever win a chip, I would legit probably retire from watching the sport lol, but yeah its not happening. The sins of the past are too great to overcome and from a pure un-emotion based standpoint, moving the big oaf for whatever is the only move left to make. Now that trade is going to be rough because I don't know how many teams an aging surgery needing Biid actually helps that also have assets we like to have exist at this stage.

IMO what I expect is that if/when we lose the pick or somehow trip into the play-in, they will have him get the surgery this offseason, with the plan of him missing the whole season NEXT year as we tank with our own pick already in hand and have the Maxey/McCain team take their lumps and also find out if that works or not and go from there and hope we can Spurs this thing. I also can see him stupidly asking out and not only ruin his already decayin rep but also his value even more lol. Or he just retires.

Love the memories of this era regardless of the bad tho....but its ova

[MikRay]

Jo slander? Understandable.

To the point of questioning his MVP and forgetting the great moments he provided, which aside from Maxey were pretty much the only great moments we had? Sorry, but way more of this mess falls on the hideous mismanagement of the franchise and the inability to hire a decent coach or build a proper team around Embiid when he was at the top of his game.

After he retires, I believe we will start to hear to more about Embiid's work ethic and compatibility being comparable to Iverson. In other words, a lot of the blame for not being able to build a team around them falls on their own shoulders.

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[Ferry Avenue]

Jo slander? Understandable.

To the point of questioning his MVP and forgetting the great moments he provided, which aside from Maxey were pretty much the only great moments we had? Sorry, but way more of this mess falls on the hideous mismanagement of the franchise and the inability to hire a decent coach or build a proper team around Embiid when he was at the top of his game.

After he retires, I believe we will start to hear to more about Embiid's work ethic and compatibility being comparable to Iverson. In other words, a lot of the blame for not being able to build a team around them falls on their own shoulders.

Whatever falls on the team for its inability to build around Embiid successfully is a function of a misjudgment about the likelihood of accomplishing that with a center as opposed to a three-level scorer.

[elchengue20]

Incredible how embarrassing Embiid looks on the court right now. Better shut it down, do another surgery and see if you can get it fixed. If not, it's time to move on.
His decline in the past year has been rapid.

This was always so obvious yet most people in here were claiming he was going to have a Tim Duncan like trajectory, being a near MVP level player into his mid 30's.

Wishful thinking is really a bitch

[phillynative]

Tim Duncan? PSHT!!
More like Lamarcus Aldridge

[VDT]

I don't think the issue with Embiid is just the injuries. He is not really a leader and his mentality does not really help the team. When things get tough, Embiid hasn't shown any ability to will the team to victory. If anything, he is underperforming in these situations.

Still, trying to build around him was the best option available at the time, and with a bit better management and a bit more luck we might have been able to win a title.

[Ferry Avenue]

I don't think the issue with Embiid is just the injuries. He is not really a leader and his mentality does not really help the team. When things get tough, Embiid hasn't shown any ability to will the team to victory. If anything, he is underperforming in these situations.

Still, trying to build around him was the best option available at the time, and with a bit better management and a bit more luck we might have been able to win a title.

The Sixers are 5-3 in playoff games in which Embiid didn't play during his career.

The correlation between Embiid's number of points in playoff games and the Sixers' scoring margin, game-by-game during the playoffs in Embiid's career, is a mere 0.23. 95% of the variance in the Sixers' scoring margin in the playoffs during Embiid's career is unrelated to Embiid's scoring.

If you measure Embiid's "health" during the playoffs in terms of his scoring performance, the Sixers' playoff performance as a team during Embiid's career has very little to do with his health.

When Embiid scores more in the playoffs and thereby demonstrates his relative "good health," the Sixers' performance as a team in the playoffs isn't affected by it to a significant degree. They're about as likely to lose as they are to win in the playoffs when Embiid is in "good health."

[Ferry Avenue]

The functioning of this year's team can be explained by just a single issue:

Instead of acquiring the "Jimmy Butler" type player Joel Embiid needs to take a backseat to, the team acquired Paul George, who emotionally speaking is the opposite of that -- a lax player who doesn't demonstrate the drive and determination necessary to lead a team to a title.

So instead of Embiid's becoming charged and more driven by the addition of a Butler type, he's become even more lax himself with the addition of George. Couple him with George as the supposed spearheads of this team, and you get what you're seeing on the court -- a downtrodden, low effort team that's easily beaten by good opposition.

It's no coincidence that the team has played its best this year when neither player was on the court. At those times the team is able to muster some drive and determination for itself, having shed its two ball and chain players.

[Zumramania]

It's interesting how they seemingly take into account the psychological makeup and grit of players when drafting (Maxey, McCain, Edwards, Council, Bona...) but not when acquiring big name players. Morey has probably gotten star struck. Like he also foolishy extended Joel Embiid. He seems to be doing much better at drafting.
I think PG & Embiid (and collaterally Nurse) experiment will fail and it would be interesting to see how Morey would rebuild this team with the young players we have.
Ironically, I think the team he would create like that (and not via star hunting) could achieve what Joel never did and reach the conference finals within two years.
I'm not sure what's going on with Joel health-wise but he is not getting any younger and if he will not return to his old self primarily in defense and rebounding, it is basically over...

[Ferry Avenue]

It's interesting how they seemingly take into account the psychological makeup and grit of players when drafting (Maxey, McCain, Edwards, Council, Bona...) but not when acquiring big name players. Morey has probably gotten star struck. Like he also foolishy extended Joel Embiid. He seems to be doing much better at drafting.
I think PG & Embiid (and collaterally Nurse) experiment will fail and it would be interesting to see how Morey would rebuild this team with the young players we have.
Ironically, I think the team he would create like that (and not via star hunting) could achieve what Joel never did and reach the conference finals within two years.
I'm not sure what's going on with Joel health-wise but he is not getting any younger and if he will not return to his old self primarily in defense and rebounding, it is basically over...

You can't organize a team around a player who isn't a leader and doesn't have leadership ability. As long as Embiid is perceived as a player to be "built around," the team is going nowhere. That puts Embiid in a position in which he can't function adequately for the benefit of the team.

[Ferry Avenue]

Embiid acknowledged earlier this month that he didn't have enough time to fully recover after undergoing surgery last year.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/43975596/joel-embiid-benched-76ers-lose-seventh-straight-game

Yet he played in the Olympics. Strange.

[M2J]

Joel needs a procedure the way older Kawhi needed a procedure and was told to let it rest. He's back and balling.

Joel isn't just making this up. Yes Kawhi had a meniscus injury that kept swelling after surgery.

[Ferry Avenue]

Joel needs a procedure the way older Kawhi needed a procedure and was told to let it rest. He's back and balling.

Joel isn't just making this up. Yes Kawhi had a meniscus injury that kept swelling after surgery.

I don't think he's making it up. But if he's saying he didn't have enough time to fully recover after the surgery last year, why did he choose to play in the Olympics, instead of using that time to rest and recover?

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Joel needs a procedure the way older Kawhi needed a procedure and was told to let it rest. He's back and balling.

Joel isn't just making this up. Yes Kawhi had a meniscus injury that kept swelling after surgery.

Yes! That is a great point you just made. I had forgotten all about Kawhi and his issues. I think this is definitely fixable with Joel, but like Leonard, it's going to take time. We need to just do it now and be done.