Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[jstross]

Sixers got Oubre in a similar situation so who knows. Not banking on it, but there's worse thing than making a run at a title in a one and done season.

Not buying him taking the minimum.

Me neither. This smells like fiction to me also. Do we know if the raptors renounced his rights? If not, I gotta think he's at least thinking there are sign-and-trade scenarios available to him to earn more this season (and beyond), if there are truly no teams with salary cap space or exceptions who would be willing to sign him.

[ckchen]

First the largest salaries in Europe aren't far off from the vet minimum in the NBA. Taxes work differently there (and they often pay for living expenses too) so it's not a straightforward comparison but literal MVPs and the most in-demand guys in various leagues in Europe make like $2m. No one really makes more than about $3m. $4m would be like Kobe-MJ money in Europe. Players can virtually never make more money there than in the NBA, they'll only tend to shift back if things aren't working well in the NBA (or if they get older and get tired of being an 11th man and would rather be a star back home).

Second Poku's not a very good player, and he hasn't proven himself at all in international leagues. The type of player you're talking about who might get poached is an older vet who's already a FIBA star and maybe already had quite a bit of euro-league or top league success, but maybe just didn't manage to make an impact in the NBA. Guys like Mirotic or Melli or Satoransky (or like JC Navarro or Teodosic from the last generation), who everyone's 100% sure will come in and be top, top players. And again they still all only make like $2-3m (though again with a different tax situation).

Also European teams won't 'gladly pay' guys because they're European, they'll pay you if you're good. Poku was drafted as a random project before he'd ever been a good Euro player (like at all) and he didn't seem to develop very well. Someone would probably take a chance on him, but it's not going to be for very much money.

Either European salaries have gotten smaller or NBA minimums have just grown that much more if that's the case. On the other hand - Poku left Europe before he had a chance to establish himself, but he was on the reserve level of Olympiakos when he was drafted (at 18), which is one of the top teams in Euroleague. And, quite frankly, Euroleague is full of NBA washouts who become top players over there. To imply that he isn't a very good player in the NBA I don't think necessarily disqualifies him from being someone who was on track to becoming a Euroleague star and could easily become one again, like I said, with a decent showing in the Olympics. Also discounts the fact that his rookie year I recall him regularly (or at least occasionally) putting up ridiculous numbers against NBA competition. If anything, I would think he track as someone who could easily and quickly become a top player in Europe.

As for "gladly pay" - I guess I meant there are less restrictions on him because he's European and isn't as restricted as an American player would be. Unless those restrictions no longer apply? The fact that he's European and a Serbian citizen would, I'm sure, make him more attractive for any Euroleague team to sign, especially compared to any fringe American NBA player.

[ckchen]

Sixers got Oubre in a similar situation so who knows. Not banking on it, but there's worse thing than making a run at a title in a one and done season.

Not buying him taking the minimum.

Me neither. This smells like fiction to me also. Do we know if the raptors renounced his rights? If not, I gotta think he's at least thinking there are sign-and-trade scenarios available to him to earn more this season (and beyond), if there are truly no teams with salary cap space or exceptions who would be willing to sign him.

Yeah, but that similar situation was in late September when he literally had limited other options, not 1 week into free agency. My point being, if there are teams who still have exceptions, or if the Raps still haven't renounced his rights, there are also S&T possibilties, several avenues he would explore and exhaust before eventually settling on a minimum deal. He's still only 25, way too young to need to settle and look for a ring chasing deal.

[LeonJordanJr24]

Gordan Hayward to replace Batum at PF is a option ??

[youngcrev]

Can we sign and trade KJ right away and not wait till deadline?

Pretty sure any sign-and-trade immediately hard caps a team. Also, if the salary is significant, he's subject to base year compensation, so you can only take back 1/2 the value. Not sure what else, but these two issues alone pretty much make it highly unlikely we would ever sign-and-trade him right away.

Receiving a player via S&T is what hard caps you, not sending out one. The S&T/hard cap issue they'd run into right now is that he'd be BYC (for us counts 50% of his salary in a trade, but 100% for the other team) and that you become hardcapped at the first apron if you take back more than 110% of outgoing salary in a trade.

They need to sign him now and can more easily trade him once the BYC restriction goes away

[Snotbubbles]

Sixers got Oubre in a similar situation so who knows. Not banking on it, but there's worse thing than making a run at a title in a one and done season.

Not buying him taking the minimum.

Me neither. This smells like fiction to me also. Do we know if the raptors renounced his rights? If not, I gotta think he's at least thinking there are sign-and-trade scenarios available to him to earn more this season (and beyond), if there are truly no teams with salary cap space or exceptions who would be willing to sign him.

It sounds like one of those, get on a playoff team where I can shine in the playoffs and reset my market next year.

[Black Mage]

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Pretty surprising, if true. I thought his issue with Nurse would be a possible obstacle to overcome, but him eventually deciding to take the vet min I didn’t find realistic. If he does choose Sixers at the min, then his rift with Nurse doesn’t appear that bad.

Neubeck said GTJ was able to put it past him and accept the criticism. It was Siakam who could not let it go.

[Sixerscan]

That account has 800 followers and follows 1200 accounts

[the_process]

If the last two vet min signings are Gordon Hayward and Gary Trent Jr... I'd say that was a resoundingly successful offseason.

Very curious as to just how close to the 2nd apron they will get.

[the_process]

Since SAC has been bidding on Lauri, I would make a call and see if Keegan Murray could be stolen as part of a 3 way deal.

Murray's salary is only 8.8M. They could match that with McCain and a reasonably priced (10M) S&T of KJ.

[youngcrev]

I'd love for Trent Jr to come here for the minimum, I'm just not buying it.

You'd definitely have to make playing time promises for that to happen, probably even a starting role. Personally, I'd probably have him penciled in as the starting 2 with Oubre or Martin and George starting at the 3 and the 4, so not a big issue there. But I'm also guessing they've made some promises to Martin, Oubre, Lowry and Gordon in terms of roles/playing time already.

I'm all for it, but until it happens or someone legit is talking about it, I'm not gonna get my hopes up.

[davesilver]

Since SAC has been bidding on Lauri, I would make a call and see if could steal Keegan Murray as part of a 3 way deal.

Murray's salary is only 8.8M. They could match that with McCain and a reasonably priced (10M) S&T of KJ.

Murray would be a home run

[phillynative]

What role would Gordon Hayward have here?

[the_process]

What role would Gordon Hayward have here?

10-12 mins off the bench. Switchable forward when he's not broken, not that he's very good at defense. Can shoot, can pass. They could certainly use a connective passer with Batum gone. I wouldn't expect a ton from him, hence a minimum. If you'd rather have a Morris or a Crowder, I can see that too.

[Kolkmania]

What role would Gordon Hayward have here?

10-12 mins off the bench. Switchable forward when he's not broken. Can shoot, can pass. They could certainly use a connective passer with Batum gone. I wouldn't expect a ton from him, hence a minimum. If you'd rather have a Morris or a Crowder, I can see that too.

I would rather give Hayward a chance than Morris or Crowder to be honest. Those two guys shoot more, but are just as terrible on defense as Hayward (or even worse). We have plenty of shotmakers with Embiid, Maxey, George, Oubre and Gordon. I would prefer the BBIQ of Hayward.

With the lack of PG's (only Lowry thus far as true PG), Hayward can act more as an offensive initiator, something that he couldn't do in Oklahoma, which resulted in him being relegated as a floor-spacer that attacks closeouts. Which doesn't really work that good, since his trigger is not quick enough nowadays. That must have been an eye-opener for him. But I'm sure there are plenty more options for Hayward.

[Iverson Armband]

What’s taking so long for the PG presser?

[Ben]

Since SAC has been bidding on Lauri, I would make a call and see if could steal Keegan Murray as part of a 3 way deal.

Murray's salary is only 8.8M. They could match that with McCain and a reasonably priced (10M) S&T of KJ.

Murray would be a home run

Oh yes, that would be a terrific end to the offseason's main moves. Murray actually could grow into a reasonable PF role, especially when playing next to a real center (Embiid or Drummond).

[M2J]

What role would Gordon Hayward have here?

10-12 mins off the bench. Switchable forward when he's not broken, not that he's very good at defense. Can shoot, can pass. They could certainly use a connective passer with Batum gone. I wouldn't expect a ton from him, hence a minimum. If you'd rather have a Morris or a Crowder, I can see that too.

Lowry is an great connective passer. I believe Martin is underrated in that role, except unlike Batum he can dribble drive and lead a break or make an advantage pass off the drive. I believe George could also be underrated in that role. He had been essentially the point for the Clippers until Russ arrived last year, and maybe he can become a great entry passer for Joel.
I actually think they've got that covered well enough at least

Would've been great if Batum stayed, and Gordon offensively could be similar, but that defense and injury history.... Please no

[M2J]

I'd love for Trent Jr to come here for the minimum, I'm just not buying it.

You'd definitely have to make playing time promises for that to happen, probably even a starting role. Personally, I'd probably have him penciled in as the starting 2 with Oubre or Martin and George starting at the 3 and the 4, so not a big issue there. But I'm also guessing they've made some promises to Martin, Oubre, Lowry and Gordon in terms of roles/playing time already.

I'm all for it, but until it happens or someone legit is talking about it, I'm not gonna get my hopes up.

That would be a crazy good pickup though. I actually think his best options are Philly, Lakers and Milwaukee. He'd be in a huge role for the Bucks and clearly starter for Sixers. Not that he's better, but he could start for both Caleb or Kelly in Philly due to shooting. However, his best chance to make 5 million and essentially be a 3rdish option is the Lakers plus LA is awesome if you're a millionaire

[Iscull]

Could we sign and trade Martin for Trent?