Okafor trade talk: Will he be traded by the deadline?

[LongLiveHinkie]

Nothing definitive here, but it's cool because we don't do definitive at RealGM, we're all about speculation and guesses-- but Woj said in a recent trade deadline video that the market for centers is very very small, there are 5/6 on the market, but he thinks 1 or 2 of them get moved at most. He said too few teams are looking for centers and too many teams want to get rid of centers. Especially back to the basket centers.

[Sixerscan]

You may be right, but there a real argument to be made Okafor's value isn't going to get better if he gets pushed to routinely being the Sixers 3rd string C. Everyone is about as down on him right now as they can be and that won't get better from him racking up DNP's or the occasional injury forced 20mpg by Noel or Embiid. It's a hard balancing act. There's also an argument to be made about keeping him due to both Noel and Embiid being so massively injury prone, so Okafor is nice insurance, but it's also going to kill his ability to mature as a player with only getting spot minutes.

You guys can **** on BC all you want, but I don't envy him with the mess he has to try and clean up at C right now.

The Sixers don't even need Okafor with Holmes as depth. He fits what the Sixers do better anyway. Run the floor, block shots.

Colangelo was in a tough situation, but he made it worse by not dealing Okafor during the draft. I don't know what offers were out there, but I can guarantee you they were better than what he has now. He procrastinated and it is costing him.

I have no skin in the game, but I don't give BC nearly as much blame. He has been GM of the team for like 2 months before the draft. He barely knew what he had and didn't want to risk making a major decision without complete first-hand knowledge of what he's working with on that roster.

I have this same argument with Blazer fans who expect the GM to predict the future, that's just not a reasonable or realistic opinion to have of GM's.

Two months is plenty of time for a good GM to figure out what he has.

I have limited patience for him given how he was brought in. The league got upset at Hinkie for exploiting a flaw in their system and made the sixers bring in Daddy Colangelo. Daddy got the Sixers to hire his son and handed him a golden situation, a situation that was built by someone else over three years of hard work.

If two months isn't enough time for him, then maybe his dad shouldn't have forced Hinkie out and handed him the job two months before the draft. Hinkie had less time than that when he took over and managed to make a big draft day trade. He should be better at this job than Hinkie otherwise I don't get why he was brought in.

[DusterBuster]

The Sixers don't even need Okafor with Holmes as depth. He fits what the Sixers do better anyway. Run the floor, block shots.

Colangelo was in a tough situation, but he made it worse by not dealing Okafor during the draft. I don't know what offers were out there, but I can guarantee you they were better than what he has now. He procrastinated and it is costing him.

I have no skin in the game, but I don't give BC nearly as much blame. He has been GM of the team for like 2 months before the draft. He barely knew what he had and didn't want to risk making a major decision without complete first-hand knowledge of what he's working with on that roster.

I have this same argument with Blazer fans who expect the GM to predict the future, that's just not a reasonable or realistic opinion to have of GM's.

Two months is plenty of time for a good GM to figure out what he has.

I have limited patience for him given how he was brought in. The league got upset at Hinkie for exploiting a flaw in their system and made the sixers bring in Daddy Colangelo. Daddy got the Sixers to hire his son and handed him a golden situation, a situation that was built by someone else over three years of hard work.

If two months isn't enough time for him, then maybe his dad shouldn't have forced Hinkie out and handed him the job two months before the draft. Hinkie had less time than that when he took over and managed to make a big draft day trade. He should be better at this job than Hinkie otherwise I don't get why he was brought in.

That's kinda silly considering the season was over, meaning he'd have nothing but game tape to watch. Most GM's like to actually have first hand knowledge, seeing guys in practice, getting reps in for full games and such before making what's a relatively large franchise changing moves. I can't think of any GM that just comes in and makes a deal like that unless he's been told to just clean house.

It's pretty clear there's a very real anti-BC contingent around Sixerland, so I'll let you guys be with that. I don't really care enough to keep fighting for him if you guys are happy hating on him.

[Sixerscan]

I have no skin in the game, but I don't give BC nearly as much blame. He has been GM of the team for like 2 months before the draft. He barely knew what he had and didn't want to risk making a major decision without complete first-hand knowledge of what he's working with on that roster.

I have this same argument with Blazer fans who expect the GM to predict the future, that's just not a reasonable or realistic opinion to have of GM's.

Two months is plenty of time for a good GM to figure out what he has.

I have limited patience for him given how he was brought in. The league got upset at Hinkie for exploiting a flaw in their system and made the sixers bring in Daddy Colangelo. Daddy got the Sixers to hire his son and handed him a golden situation, a situation that was built by someone else over three years of hard work.

If two months isn't enough time for him, then maybe his dad shouldn't have forced Hinkie out and handed him the job two months before the draft. Hinkie had less time than that when he took over and managed to make a big draft day trade. He should be better at this job than Hinkie otherwise I don't get why he was brought in.

That's kinda silly considering the season was over, meaning he'd have nothing but game tape to watch. Most GM's like to actually have first hand knowledge, seeing guys in practice, getting reps in for full games and such before making what's a relatively large franchise changing moves. I can't think of any GM that just comes in and makes a deal like that unless he's been told to just clean house.

It's pretty clear there's a very real anti-BC contingent around Sixerland, so I'll let you guys be with that. I don't really care enough to keep fighting for him if you guys are happy hating on him.

Again, if that was an inopportune time to take over, maybe his dad shouldn't have kicked the current GM out and handed him the job at that time.

And for the record, there were tons of rumors that he was shopping both Noel and Okafor around draft time. Your theory doesn't really track how it seems like it actually played out.

[marcush]

I still think all this talk regarding Jah is just fake hustle on BCs behalf. Probably trying to keep the coach and Embiid happy....then at the last minute will trade Noel.

I'm confident that based on his pitiful tenure at Toronto, showing a clear preference for no defence iso scorers......that BC is a Prokafor.

[kukenotas]

Not really tho. They are going to have to pay IT, Bradley, and smart. All guards plus draft a guard.]

When is IT up for a contract and will he be restricted or not?

Don't get sucked in on IT. He has to re-write history as the only little score first guard to lead his team to a title as the best player. Boston will have some key decisions to made coming up...do they spend some assets this year to truly compete, or hold all assets and hope for some luck in the lottery/draft? They probably can do both, but can't over value every asset. Bradley has to return healthy as well.

I agree with a lot but Boston has good players but no superstars now( It -doesnt impact his team as say embiid) and that is their issue now, adding aroyo and ball if they are what is said about them- it would lift them to our level talentwise+ BC<ainge( specialy at trades) might be tough for us to compete

sixers, it was always sixers

[Unbreakable99]

When is IT up for a contract and will he be restricted or not?

Don't get sucked in on IT. He has to re-write history as the only little score first guard to lead his team to a title as the best player. Boston will have some key decisions to made coming up...do they spend some assets this year to truly compete, or hold all assets and hope for some luck in the lottery/draft? They probably can do both, but can't over value every asset. Bradley has to return healthy as well.

I agree with a lot but Boston has good players but no superstars now( It -doesnt impact his team as say embiid) and that is their issue now, adding aroyo and ball if they are what is said about them- it would lift them to our level talentwise+ BC<ainge( specialy at trades) might be tough for us to compete

sixers, it was always sixers

Who is Aroyo?

[Lovetron Joe]

Don't get sucked in on IT. He has to re-write history as the only little score first guard to lead his team to a title as the best player. Boston will have some key decisions to made coming up...do they spend some assets this year to truly compete, or hold all assets and hope for some luck in the lottery/draft? They probably can do both, but can't over value every asset. Bradley has to return healthy as well.

I agree with a lot but Boston has good players but no superstars now( It -doesnt impact his team as say embiid) and that is their issue now, adding aroyo and ball if they are what is said about them- it would lift them to our level talentwise+ BC<ainge( specialy at trades) might be tough for us to compete

sixers, it was always sixers

Who is Aroyo?

Luis Arroyo, former Yankees pitcher. Not sure how he helps the Celts..

[dorkestra]

Carlos Arroyo. Man I haven't thought about him in a while.

[LongLiveHinkie]

If Boston gets Aroyo, we're F'd.

[Wiltside]

The selection of Okafor, while pretty rational at the time, is looking like Sam Hinkie's big mistake. Outside of that, his resume looks pretty damn good - albeit a little outside the spirit of the game in the way he did it.

How would the Sixers be placed if Hinkie went full Hinkie and selected Porzingis at 3 instead of Okafor?

We had a look at it on our blog, the link is in my sig - or here for easier reference to the article in question: https://thefourpointplay.blog/2017/02/18/okafor-or-porzingis-sam-hinkies-big-miss/

[TTP]

You may be right, but there a real argument to be made Okafor's value isn't going to get better if he gets pushed to routinely being the Sixers 3rd string C. Everyone is about as down on him right now as they can be and that won't get better from him racking up DNP's or the occasional injury forced 20mpg by Noel or Embiid. It's a hard balancing act. There's also an argument to be made about keeping him due to both Noel and Embiid being so massively injury prone, so Okafor is nice insurance, but it's also going to kill his ability to mature as a player with only getting spot minutes.

You guys can **** on BC all you want, but I don't envy him with the mess he has to try and clean up at C right now.

The Sixers don't even need Okafor with Holmes as depth. He fits what the Sixers do better anyway. Run the floor, block shots.

Colangelo was in a tough situation, but he made it worse by not dealing Okafor during the draft. I don't know what offers were out there, but I can guarantee you they were better than what he has now. He procrastinated and it is costing him.

I have no skin in the game, but I don't give BC nearly as much blame. He has been GM of the team for like 2 months before the draft. He barely knew what he had and didn't want to risk making a major decision without complete first-hand knowledge of what he's working with on that roster.

I have this same argument with Blazer fans who expect the GM to predict the future, that's just not a reasonable or realistic opinion to have of GM's.

Two months is more than enough time to figure out what he had - there was plenty of tape as evidence if he needed it. Hinkie had no problems making the Jrue for Nerlens deal a month into his tenure.

Good GMs are forward thinking. They need to be better at guessing the future than average - it's a critical component of their job.

[TTP]

I have no skin in the game, but I don't give BC nearly as much blame. He has been GM of the team for like 2 months before the draft. He barely knew what he had and didn't want to risk making a major decision without complete first-hand knowledge of what he's working with on that roster.

I have this same argument with Blazer fans who expect the GM to predict the future, that's just not a reasonable or realistic opinion to have of GM's.

Two months is plenty of time for a good GM to figure out what he has.

I have limited patience for him given how he was brought in. The league got upset at Hinkie for exploiting a flaw in their system and made the sixers bring in Daddy Colangelo. Daddy got the Sixers to hire his son and handed him a golden situation, a situation that was built by someone else over three years of hard work.

If two months isn't enough time for him, then maybe his dad shouldn't have forced Hinkie out and handed him the job two months before the draft. Hinkie had less time than that when he took over and managed to make a big draft day trade. He should be better at this job than Hinkie otherwise I don't get why he was brought in.

That's kinda silly considering the season was over, meaning he'd have nothing but game tape to watch. Most GM's like to actually have first hand knowledge, seeing guys in practice, getting reps in for full games and such before making what's a relatively large franchise changing moves. I can't think of any GM that just comes in and makes a deal like that unless he's been told to just clean house.

It's pretty clear there's a very real anti-BC contingent around Sixerland, so I'll let you guys be with that. I don't really care enough to keep fighting for him if you guys are happy hating on him.

Colangelo took over with a few games left in the season (though Okafor was out). He had the opportunity to watch practices and a few games. I don't think it matters that much though and a good GM wouldn't have needed it to decide to move on from Okafor.

By your logic, the GM should hold off on any moves in the first X months of their tenure, where X is???

[spikeslovechild]

I still think all this talk regarding Jah is just fake hustle on BCs behalf. Probably trying to keep the coach and Embiid happy....then at the last minute will trade Noel.

I'm confident that based on his pitiful tenure at Toronto, showing a clear preference for no defence iso scorers......that BC is a Prokafor.

Noel should be traded.

As should Jah. Holmes can handle backup duties until we draft or trade for defensive big like WCS on a cheap deal'

[Negrodamus]

I still think all this talk regarding Jah is just fake hustle on BCs behalf. Probably trying to keep the coach and Embiid happy....then at the last minute will trade Noel.

I'm confident that based on his pitiful tenure at Toronto, showing a clear preference for no defence iso scorers......that BC is a Prokafor.

Noel should be traded.

As should Jah. Holmes can handle backup duties until we draft or trade for defensive big like WCS on a cheap deal'

WCS will not come here on a cheap deal. Hyper athletic centers like him don't grow on trees. The Kings would have to make a devistatingly dumb move with us to just hand him over.

[smittybanton]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/02/woj-butler-trade-to-the-celtics-still-possible.html#comment-69448

If and when Butler is traded to either the Celtics or the Nuggets, Okafor to the Bulls will be included in that deal. Mudiay if its Denver. Not sure what if its Boston. Obviously something around either Bradley, Smart or Rozier.

[ProcessDoctor]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/02/woj-butler-trade-to-the-celtics-still-possible.html#comment-69448

If and when Butler is traded to either the Celtics or the Nuggets, Okafor to the Bulls will be included in that deal. Mudiay if its Denver. Not sure what if its Boston. Obviously something around either Bradley, Smart or Rozier.

BKN pick, Johnson, and Okafor to CHI
Butler to BOS
Smart to PHI

[Eyeamok]

I still think all this talk regarding Jah is just fake hustle on BCs behalf. Probably trying to keep the coach and Embiid happy....then at the last minute will trade Noel.

I'm confident that based on his pitiful tenure at Toronto, showing a clear preference for no defence iso scorers......that BC is a Prokafor.

Noel should be traded.

As should Jah. Holmes can handle backup duties until we draft or trade for defensive big like WCS on a cheap deal'

WCS will not come here on a cheap deal. Hyper athletic centers like him don't grow on trees. The Kings would have to make a devistatingly dumb move with us to just hand him over.

Like giving up a future 1st round pick when your team is struggling to find it's identity, for cap space?

It's the Kings anything is possible.

[smittybanton]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/02/woj-butler-trade-to-the-celtics-still-possible.html#comment-69448

If and when Butler is traded to either the Celtics or the Nuggets, Okafor to the Bulls will be included in that deal. Mudiay if its Denver. Not sure what if its Boston. Obviously something around either Bradley, Smart or Rozier.

BKN pick, Johnson, and Okafor to CHI
Butler to BOS
Smart to PHI

I'll take Smart for Okafor. We don't have a defender like him, and none project to be that type coming out of this year's draft. I think Boston's gonna have to give up Crowder instead of Johnson.

[smittybanton]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/02/woj-butler-trade-to-the-celtics-still-possible.html#comment-69448

If and when Butler is traded to either the Celtics or the Nuggets, Okafor to the Bulls will be included in that deal. Mudiay if its Denver. Not sure what if its Boston. Obviously something around either Bradley, Smart or Rozier.

BKN pick, Johnson, and Okafor to CHI
Butler to BOS
Smart to PHI

Anybody think this has legs?

BKN17 to Philadelphia
Nerlens Noel and Jimmy Butler to Boston
Jahlil Okafor, BKN18 and Jae Crowder to Chicago