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2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#1781 » by cksdayoff » Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:05 pm

Aussiepiston1 wrote:
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Mik317 wrote:well...uh...time to start looking for some second round gems then.

we probably could use another wing so when Covington is off or god forbid gets hurt we aren't dead

We have a part ninja / part lion waiting in the wings and he just can't wait to be king.

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I'm rooting for this guy. I hope he pans out :o 8-)


is that Justin Anderson? I like him as our enforcer and 3 and d guy

Looks like he isn't messing around attending ninja boot camp lol
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#1782 » by nymets1 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:05 pm

How good can you guys be next year if you can keep Simmons and Embid stay healthy and avoid possible foul trouble? You could become a top 3 team with the Cavs and Celtics.
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Post#1783 » by BoomBap » Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:19 pm

Nah, top 3 is a little bit too high. I hope we make the POs and that we can annoy our opponent in the 1.round.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#1784 » by HartfordWhalers » Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:51 pm

cksdayoff wrote:
Aussiepiston1 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:We have a part ninja / part lion waiting in the wings and he just can't wait to be king.

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I'm rooting for this guy. I hope he pans out :o 8-)


is that Justin Anderson? I like him as our enforcer and 3 and d guy

Looks like he isn't messing around attending ninja boot camp lol


I'm pretty sure being a 3 and D guy means making more than 30% of your 3 point shots. Justin hasn't be able to do that.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#1785 » by Ericb5 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:00 pm

BoomBap wrote:Nah, top 3 is a little bit too high. I hope we make the POs and that we can annoy our opponent in the 1.round.


If we have 65 plus games from Embiid at 30 mpg plus we will be one of the top teams in the east, and a really difficult opponent in the playoffs. I think top 4 seed is definitely a possibility if we have no injuries to core players.

Embiid is the rare 23 year old true difference maker.


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Post#1786 » by SelfishPlayer » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:15 pm

The Celtics were the #1 team in the east so Embiid and Simmons have a shot at it, especially if the Sixers add some vets like Vince Carter and Jason Terry.
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Post#1787 » by OleSchool » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:32 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:The Celtics were the #1 team in the east so Embiid and Simmons have a shot at it, especially if the Sixers add some vets like Vince Carter and Jason Terry.


They were only the #1 team cause the Cavs coasted in the regular season
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#1788 » by Sixersftw » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:50 pm

Plus we have to expect Simmons to have some growing pains. Rookies don't have the kind of impact Embiid had, he spoiled us. I think his addition will obviously improve us but not top 3 level. Imo, 5th is a good ultra optimistic goal.
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Post#1789 » by SparksFly87 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:41 pm

We need to OG Anunoby badly !!!! He is a shut down 3/4 with more than just 3 and D potential. You are looking at the next ron artest.
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Post#1790 » by Negrodamus » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:09 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:We need to OG Anunoby badly !!!! He is a shut down 3/4 with more than just 3 and D potential. You are looking at the next ron artest.


I'd trade Okafor + second round pick(s) for him or Mitchell if either fell.

On another note, how happy are you for Fultz? I feel like you Lavar Ball'd this into existence.
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Post#1791 » by Bum Adebayo » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:15 pm

The realistic expectations for Fultz rookie season should be somehing like 10-12PPG, some assists and solid from midrange and 32-33% from 3 or so. But then again these were my realistic expectations with Embiid so you never know.
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Post#1792 » by SelfishPlayer » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:30 pm

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SparksFly87 wrote:We need to OG Anunoby badly !!!! He is a shut down 3/4 with more than just 3 and D potential. You are looking at the next ron artest.


I'd trade Okafor + second round pick(s) for him or Mitchell if either fell.

On another note, how happy are you for Fultz? I feel like you Lavar Ball'd this into existence.


How can people just automatically declare that a prospect will be a shut down NBA defender? Wasn't Chris Singleton supposed to be a lock down NBA defender too? I can see if the prospect had top 5 talent in all drafts, but This OG guy? :noway:
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Post#1793 » by Mik317 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:07 pm

I am pretty sure you have complained about every single prospect in this draft bro lol
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Post#1794 » by smittybanton » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:00 pm

Wojnarowski notes that pressure is expected to increase on the Pacers to work out a trade with the Lakers to avoid losing George with no return. He mentions Julius Randle as a possibility, along with draft assets. The Lakers own the No. 2 pick in Thursday’s draft, but probably wouldn’t part with it for a player who will soon belong to them anyway.


Good chance we'll be keeping LA18. Lakers were already 4th in the league. Then add the #2 pick, Paul George and they have a little cap space to boot.
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Post#1795 » by Negrodamus » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:09 pm

smittybanton wrote:
Wojnarowski notes that pressure is expected to increase on the Pacers to work out a trade with the Lakers to avoid losing George with no return. He mentions Julius Randle as a possibility, along with draft assets. The Lakers own the No. 2 pick in Thursday’s draft, but probably wouldn’t part with it for a player who will soon belong to them anyway.


Good chance we'll be keeping LA18. Lakers were already 4th in the league. Then add the #2 pick, Paul George and they have a little cap space to boot.


I don't think they'll trade anything. They know George is coming to LA when he's a free agent. Why lose assets?
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#1796 » by kriss73 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:14 pm

I'd like to keep the LAL 2018 only if it's the #1.
Otherwise give me the unprotected SAC2019.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#1797 » by eagereyez » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:16 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
smittybanton wrote:
Wojnarowski notes that pressure is expected to increase on the Pacers to work out a trade with the Lakers to avoid losing George with no return. He mentions Julius Randle as a possibility, along with draft assets. The Lakers own the No. 2 pick in Thursday’s draft, but probably wouldn’t part with it for a player who will soon belong to them anyway.


Good chance we'll be keeping LA18. Lakers were already 4th in the league. Then add the #2 pick, Paul George and they have a little cap space to boot.


I don't think they'll trade anything. They know George is coming to LA when he's a free agent. Why lose assets?

They don't have enough cap space to sign George in '18 without shedding some bad contracts, which they'll need to pay other teams to accept. There's also the chance that IND ships George off to a contender who might be able to convince him to stay. LA is in a tricky position.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#1798 » by Unbreakable99 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:21 pm

smittybanton wrote:
Wojnarowski notes that pressure is expected to increase on the Pacers to work out a trade with the Lakers to avoid losing George with no return. He mentions Julius Randle as a possibility, along with draft assets. The Lakers own the No. 2 pick in Thursday’s draft, but probably wouldn’t part with it for a player who will soon belong to them anyway.


Good chance we'll be keeping LA18. Lakers were already 4th in the league. Then add the #2 pick, Paul George and they have a little cap space to boot.


The Lakers shouldn't do anything until our pick conveys lol. Just kidding. But for real they shouldn't trade. If PG is going to be a free agent there would be no reason to give up assets and have PG come to the team in worse shape. Keep all assets and then go after him in the offseason. It would be short sighted for the Lakers to trade now that PG said he will be a free agent. The Lakers don't even have cap room at this time to sign him anyway. The Lakers need to move contracts.
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Post#1799 » by smittybanton » Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:32 pm

Lakers could wait until next summer.

However, reasons to give up Randle and some second round picks include:

1. Prevent Pacers from trading George to a playoff contender at the trade deadline where he might change his mind. Steph Curry could roll his ankle, anything could happen. if he wants to go back to LA, what if the Pacers trade him to the Clippers and they make a run? Boston would love to rent him with the hope that he'll stay if noone else in the league beats their offer of Mem19 & BOS20 (maybe less).

2. I'm not sure about this, but the Pacers may need to get George's "Bird Rights", allowing them to a) offer him five years instead of four (which his agent is negotiating as we speak), b) the ability to sign LBJ first and then go over the cap to re-sign George.

3. In order to put together a super team, the Lakers have to get rid of just about everyone except the #2 pick and Brandon Ingram. Which means Julius Randle has to go anyway, seeing as how he already makes $7M or so, and will be a restricted free agent soon.

4. The Lakers have sucked as long as the Sixers have, but they weren't trying. This is still a for-profit business, adn the Lakers have to sell tickets.

Randle for George is a super-steal. Otherwise, the Pacers can accept just one first rounder from Boston or Miami or whomever, if they're competing against nothing.

Then they may have to give D'Angelo Russell for free to a team willing to take Mozgov. And Jordan Clarkson for free for a team to take Deng. Swaggy P, Corey Brewer and Tarik Black come off the books naturally.

That give the Lakers the opportunity to bring in at least two max players in '18 (LBJ, Russell Westbrook), use the rest of the space and all the exceptions on other free agents (DWade, Carmelo), then re-sign Paul George using his Bird Rights, along with Brandon Ingram and the #2pick this year.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#1800 » by cksdayoff » Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:46 pm

i could see lakers going josh jackson and the celtics taking tatum
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