2017-2018 College Basketball / '18 NBA Draft Thread

Kobblehead · Post #1781 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:50 pm

No way I'm passing on Shai. I think he's special.

Kobblehead · Post #1782 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:19 am

Man, Jalen Brunson is putting Nova on his back.

Negrodamus · Post #1783 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:29 am

WVU doing their second half collapse right on schedule.

ivysixer2000 · Post #1784 » by **ivysixer2000** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:41 am

Arsenal wrote:
ivysixer2000 wrote:
Arsenal wrote:Much rather have Mikal Bridges instead of Shai. We need a sharpshooting 3&D wing more than a quasi-lead guard. Fultz will be back 100% next year, and he and Simmons will have the ball in their hands all the time. We may even add a guy like LeBron, and then we REALLY have no need for another primary ballhandler.

I'm not sold that Shai will be good enough to justify putting the ball in his hands once he's in the NBA. A "shot-creator" in and of itself is not of much value. You need to be a top tier shot-creator to justify dominating the ball on a winning team. Otherwise you're just a guy like MCW putting up counting stats while offering no value aside from being a tank commander.

I like Bridges, but if we do add Bron at SF, his mins will take a hit cause we also have Roco there. Granted Bridges could just stand there as a SG and shoot which would fit with Bron, but we draft before free agency. We can't just draft for the sake of getting Bron, then if we don't get him then we are stuck with a bunch of guys (Bridges included) standing around watching Ben and Embiid again.

Thats alot pressure to put on Fultz alone, he needs more help in that aspect with someone else to can not only shoot but get in the lane and finish or find the open guy. Fultz would be the only one on the squad for our future who can do that, if we don't change it right now.

That's all fine and good, but there is an unspoken assumption here that Shai is good enough to be a primary initiator on a winning team. I'm saying I seriously doubt he will be that good. In fact, I'm not sure he will be better than TJ McConnell for his first couple of years.

Therefore I'm taking Mikal.

Well we can agree to disagree on this one, cause I do like both players. But for the Sixers, we do need another guy who can create on offense, and thats just not Mikal's thing. Now if we got Bron or someone else who can do that, then Mikal would be perfect.

I think we are putting way too much pressure on Fultz if we don't get someone else who can be a secondary creator/shooter for our future. I can see Shai being a secondary (not primary) initiator, while I can see Fultz being the first one and of course Ben whenever he can get a jumper. Now if we get Bron or something, that changes everything, but again we only know that after the draft.

Kobblehead · Post #1785 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:47 am

I can't agree with any argument of Mikal Bridges over Shai. Mikal over Trae or Collin, maybe. But Mikal's whole game is playing defense and hitting assisted threes. Shai can do both of those things. And he's younger with an added shotcreating and distributing ability that vaults his upside through the roof.

It's a no brainer, IMO. Shai should be the pick between the two.

timLH · Post #1786 » by **timLH** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:51 am

Miles at #10 for me.

Kobblehead · Post #1787 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:04 am

I go back and forth on Miles Bridges. Right now, I'm off of him.

ivysixer2000 · Post #1788 » by **ivysixer2000** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:52 am

Kobblehead wrote:I can't agree with any argument of Mikal Bridges over Shai. Mikal over Trae or Collin, maybe. But Mikal's whole game is playing defense and hitting assisted threes. Shai can do both of those things. And he's younger with an added shotcreating and distributing ability that vaults his upside through the roof.

It's a no brainer, IMO. Shai should be the pick between the two.

So by saying that, you would take Shai over Trae and Collin also?

Arsenal · Post #1789 » by **Arsenal** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:03 am

Kobblehead wrote:I can't agree with any argument of Mikal Bridges over Shai. Mikal over Trae or Collin, maybe. But Mikal's whole game is playing defense and hitting assisted threes. Shai can do both of those things. And he's younger with an added shotcreating and distributing ability that vaults his upside through the roof.

It's a no brainer, IMO. Shai should be the pick between the two.

I'm not convinced he will be a good 3 point shooter. His percentage is good at .404 but he only took 57 3's all year. That's a major red flag re: shooting. Usually good NBA 3 point shooters display both volume and efficiency in college. Shai is missing the volume.

I'm also quite certain that Mikal will be a better defender. Mikal has top 5 wing defender potential, like guys such as Iguodala, Leonard, Covington, Roberson etc. Shai is not going to be that good of a defender.

Overall, Mikal projects as a better defender, and a better shooter. Shai might be a better distributor, but I don't see him being good enough at it that you want the ball in his hands that much.

Arsenal · Post #1790 » by **Arsenal** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:03 am

For anyone who wants Shai, you're in luck because he should be there when we pick. We'll probably have to trade up for Mikal.

Aussiepiston1 · Post #1791 » by **Aussiepiston1** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:52 am

If by a miracle we win the 1st overall pick, who does BC take? Bagley? Doncic? Porter Jr?

ivysixer2000 · Post #1792 » by **ivysixer2000** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:07 am

Aussiepiston1 wrote:If by a miracle we win the 1st overall pick, who does BC take? Bagley? Doncic? Porter Jr?

Probably Doncic, but from a talent standpoint it would be hard to pass on Ayton even with Jojo.

If we lasted that long in the lottery show the biggest fear would be Boston getting the pick though.

broseph13 · Post #1793 » by **broseph13** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:23 am

Can someone please explain why SGA is so popular around here? I've seen him play 3 times this season and not once did I watch him and think "hmmm...I think this guy could be an immediate contributor at the NBA level." I just don't see what you guys see, especially since this team only has 3-4 years to become a serious contender....we need guys who can have a major impact starting next season.

Negrodamus · Post #1794 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:09 pm

broseph13 wrote:Can someone please explain why SGA is so popular around here? I've seen him play 3 times this season and not once did I watch him and think "hmmm...I think this guy could be an immediate contributor at the NBA level." I just don't see what you guys see, especially since this team only has 3-4 years to become a serious contender....we need guys who can have a major impact starting next season.

He’s probably not an immediate contributor next year, but I’m not sure why he has to be. Not saying he will be, but if he was the best player in the class five years down the road, but it took 3 to get to that point, you wouldn’t take him?

LloydFree · Post #1795 » by **LloydFree** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:59 pm

Aussiepiston1 wrote:If by a miracle we win the 1st overall pick, who does BC take? Bagley? Doncic? Porter Jr?

I don't need that, not after watching what he did last season. I'll have to sit there and watch this guy take Doncic #1. I don't need that aggravation.

ivysixer2000 · Post #1796 » by **ivysixer2000** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:26 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
broseph13 wrote:Can someone please explain why SGA is so popular around here? I've seen him play 3 times this season and not once did I watch him and think "hmmm...I think this guy could be an immediate contributor at the NBA level." I just don't see what you guys see, especially since this team only has 3-4 years to become a serious contender....we need guys who can have a major impact starting next season.

He’s probably not an immediate contributor next year, but I’m not sure why he has to be. Not saying he will be, but if he was the best player in the class five years down the road, but it took 3 to get to that point, you wouldn’t take him?

Interesting that we would have that kinda patience with SGA but Fultz is on our team and doesn't get anywhere near that type of patience from some people around here. SGA would be labelled a bust well before 3 years of being here if it took that long.

If we want immediate impact, Mikal is definitely the way to go. Although some see him being a junior as a downside, it would be good in that situation.

phiphan · Post #1797 » by **phiphan** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:34 pm

Aussiepiston1 wrote:If by a miracle we win the 1st overall pick, who does BC take? Bagley? Doncic? Porter Jr?

I'd prefer a trade for an established star if we land #1, but I'd take Ayton for sure. His floor is just incredibly high. Doncic's 3p% regression is frightening. He needs to be a lights-out shooter to be a star in the NBA given his relative lack of quickness. I like Bagley but he's poor value at #1. Jaren Jackson would be my #2 after Ayton. Great fit for us.

skulky · Post #1798 » by **skulky** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:09 pm

Mikal is number 1 in my realistic options for us. If we end up at 10 I wouldn’t be confident he’d be there. I feel like he projects to be an elite shooter, 40% plus from 3. I think his floor is a slightly smaller and a little more consistent shooting Covington. His ceiling is something approaching klay lite.
I also like Miles Bridges and shai for us I think both would have interesting fits.

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the_process · Post #1799 » by **the_process** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:04 pm

Aussiepiston1 wrote:If by a miracle we win the 1st overall pick, who does BC take? Bagley? Doncic? Porter Jr?

Trade it.

KramerDSP · Post #1800 » by **KramerDSP** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:09 pm

If we got #1:

Ayton’s agent would do everything possible to make sure he didn’t go to Philadelphia to be Joel Embiid’s back up. Then again, we could just make the pick and have our version of ‘Favre/Rodgers,” meaning a worry free half decade about a franchise center being on our team.

I don’t think it happens though. I think it would be Doncic or Triple J instead.

At #10, no idea. #10/#22/Holmes might get us to #8 which seems like a great spot.