The Sixerfan1976 Off-Season Thread (Update: Page 61)

[Gsraider]

The conversation should be over once they ask for Turner. He is no sure thing mind you, but neither is Melo and Melo plays little defense too. I would start with Iguodala and then offer other young players not named Holiday as well and see how interested Denver is. They may really like guys like Young or Speights. Regardless, this is a long shot at best.

[Kobblehead]

If the package is Turner + Green/Kapono/Young for Anthony while keeping Iguodala, I'm jumping all over that.

[PhillyFan]

I thought Thad Young is untouchable? He is our Carmelo 2.0!

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

You over-value Iguodala. You think Iggy can play 2 guard? Not a chance. With no handles, no long-range jumper and no first step to speak of, he's plainly SUCKED AT IT.

That's why Evan Turner's a sixer, because Iguodala can't play 2 guard. And because he's not a 2nd option. Some have opininated that Iguodala could be a good 2nd option.

Pao Gasol
Antawn Jamison
PP/Ray Allen
Chris Bosh

Are some of the premier 2nd/3rd options in the league, and I think they're a hell of alot better then Iguodala

[phiphan]

I'd be upset with a S&T of David Lee for Iguodala. I don't think that's a good deal for us, at all. Iguodala is a starting SF on a championship team. I don't think David Lee is a starting C on one. He's not a good defender, and benefits from being the only rebounder on an awful high-volume offensive team.

[Kobblehead]

I thought Thad Young is untouchable? He is our Carmelo 2.0!

Lmao.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

I'd be upset with a S&T of David Lee for Iguodala. I don't think that's a good deal for us, at all. Iguodala is a starting SF on a championship team. I don't think David Lee is a starting C on one. He's not a good defender, and benefits from being the only rebounder on an awful high-volume offensive team.

In the Artest/Barnes/Pietrus mold? Sure. But that's worth 5 million a year. Iguodala will make 12-13-15 million dollars. We'll re-sign Iggy when he's 30 and when we can properly value his contract the right way.

And your mistaken, yes, there are alot of shooters in NY. But David Lee has earned those rebounds, he's quick, long arms and he positions himself very well. He's a great rebounder and we need a big like that on this team.

[PhillyFan]

I thought Thad Young is untouchable? He is our Carmelo 2.0!

Lmao.

im just curious why this guy goes all over the board claiming Thad Young is the next hottest thing, and then proclaim Evan Turner and Jrue Holiday as the only untouchables?

if you stick to the textbook definition of shooting guard, a lot of the guys around the league aren't fit to play that position then.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

A shooting guard is either a great shooter or slasher or both. Dwyane Wade would agree with me, he mastered the mid-range shot and is one of the top-3 players, and will be heavily courted this off-season.

Evan Turner already has a good mid-range shot and a deadly first step. He's a good shooter/slasher at the age of 22. He's a two guard and a bondafide one.

Your RIGHT Phillyfan, alot of players aren't qualified to play that position. That's why we were looking all over for a 2 guard. That's why it was our biggest weakness. That's why we needed this pick.

[Skates]

The conversation should be over once they ask for Turner. He is no sure thing mind you, but neither is Melo and Melo plays little defense too. I would start with Iguodala and then offer other young players not named Holiday as well and see how interested Denver is. They may really like guys like Young or Speights. Regardless, this is a long shot at best.

Exactly the approach I would take. Giving up Turner or Holiday to get Melo is likely to make their contending very difficult even with Melo, which likely means Melo won't want to come here. He may not have a no trade clause, but all he ahs to say is taht he won't re-sign here and it's a no go.

I would not S&T for Lee (unless he will do a deal for about $8 mil a year, then I'd be happy to), Boozer who is 29 and can't play center or Stoudemire who will require a max contract and has post-microfracture knees that aren't going to hold out for very long.

With the new, likely more restrictive CBA coming up next year, this is a terrible year to get into a max deal for a player that doesn't deserve it (JJ) or is high risk (Amare).

[51X3RF4N]

If we could do Iggy/Thad/Green/2011 top 5 protected 1st/2012 2nd round pick/Rights to swap 2012 1st round picks for Melo deal, I would.

Screw the future. If you have Jrue/Turner/Melo, you have 3 solid pieces to the future already. And with Lou/Meeks/Speights/Hawes, you have 4 more.

Melo would fit much better next to Turner than Iggy does. Melo doesn't play amazing D, but his All-Star quality of play, almost 9 ppg more than Iggy, and overall basketball swagger will make this team much better.

Jrue/Lou
Turner/Meeks
Melo/Nocioni
Brand/Speights
Hawes/Smith

Then deal Kapono for Foster to fill in the Center void. Turner/Melo/Nocioni all play the SF spot. Lou/Turner/Meeks all play SG. It would work and we'd be a top team in the East.

27ppg for Melo, 21ppg for Turner, 13ppg for Jrue, 10ppg for Hawes, 12ppg for Speights, 8ppg for Brand, 11ppg for Lou. That's 102ppg. Lol I know it's stupid to argue this way but I am all hopped up on Mountain Dew!

[Bring Back 1983]

If the package is Turner + Green/Kapono/Young for Anthony while keeping Iguodala, I'm jumping all over that.

"Mr. Stefanski, I have a Mark Warkentien on line one sir? He says it's urgent...."

[Kobblehead]

Ed answers the phones for Collins these days.

[The Guilty Party]

If we could do Iggy/Thad/Green/2011 top 5 protected 1st/2012 2nd round pick/Rights to swap 2012 1st round picks for Melo deal, I would.

You would but I don't think Denver would. Willie Green is a throw in. If the Sixers have Melo, Turner, and Holiday... the 2011 pick is going to be 20 or higher. As we see each year, picks in the 20s can be bought for cash so their value is very little. The 2012 pick will be 50 or higher so that has next to no value as does the right to swap picks in 2012 since the Sixers would figure to have the better record.

I think that in order to even enter the conversation for Melo, it's going to cost Evan Turner, Andre Iguodala, and a future pick.

[PhillyFan]

A shooting guard is either a great shooter or slasher or both. Dwyane Wade would agree with me, he mastered the mid-range shot and is one of the top-3 players, and will be heavily courted this off-season.

Evan Turner already has a good mid-range shot and a deadly first step. He's a good shooter/slasher at the age of 22. He's a two guard and a bondafide one.

Your RIGHT Phillyfan, alot of players aren't qualified to play that position. That's why we were looking all over for a 2 guard. That's why it was our biggest weakness. That's why we needed this pick.

Your argument is completely flawed.

Any basketball player who can shoot or slash or both is obviously a good player to sought for.

Once again, on set plays, 2s and 3s can be merely wing players and interchangeable. The reason why we need to grab Evan Turner is because we have the #2 pick and we need shooters on the team that can play at a starter level. Iguodala can play the 2, or wing, if we have a shooter(s) on the floor with him as well. Obviously, Kapono didn't work out because the guy can only do one thing on the court...but we can't have 5 guys who can't shoot on the floor either.

Even Carmelo 2.0 can't flourish if he is on the court with people who can't shoot. Stop embarassing yourself.

[Gsraider]

Screw the future. If you have Jrue/Turner/Melo, you have 3 solid pieces to the future already. And with Lou/Meeks/Speights/Hawes, you have 4 more.

Melo would fit much better next to Turner than Iggy does. Melo doesn't play amazing D, but his All-Star quality of play, almost 9 ppg more than Iggy, and overall basketball swagger will make this team much better.

Living out here in Colorado, I see Melo play quite a bit and get to hear about him all year long on Sportstalk. Melo is an amazingly talented offensive player, who can score in a variety of ways, although he's not much of perimeter threat. He also rebounds pretty well on the offensive end. The problems I see with him is that he can play very selfishly at times and while he has some defensive ability, he gives very little effort on that end and particularly struggles against tougher players. He is a far more versatile scorer than Iguodala, but Iguodala is a significantly better defensive player. Iguodala is also a better passer. I get that defense isn't appreciated by a lot of fans, but a trade like this makes Philly an even worse defensive team and this team will already struggle in the middle.

I get why you make the move because Melo would give you a true #1 scoring option and a clutch player in general, but I wouldn't give up the house beyond Iguodala to get it done.

[The Guilty Party]

Part of me wonders if this Carmelo trade story was planted by Carmelo's people in order to get his name in the news and on SportsCenter. I suspect that stars like Melo and Kobe are beyond tired of hearing about LeBron, Wade, and Bosh and how they are going to form some sort of superteam that is going to reel off 6 straight titles.

[PhillyFan]

if some of the fans are tired of listening to LeBron, Wade, and Bosh, Carmelo and Kobe must be even more annoyed by it. It worked for Garnett, Pierce and Allen once, so I don't see why the 3 of them wouldn't want to join together into one team. Having said that, I don't think any of them are willing to take a paycut to win the championship...part of me still hopes LeBron to do the "right" thing and signs with Cavs.

I can see Wade and Bosh flourish together though...Bosh will open up much more space for Wade on the court.

[Kobblehead]

The Cavs situation he would be going back to is a mess. The same group that (along with himself) gave up in an elimination game with a full quarter to go against Boston this year.

[PhillyFan]

yeahhh, the cast only looked good on paper. LeBron will be going back to a team that will be good but can't contend for the championship. They are stuck with Jamison's contract, and not to mention Varajeo. It will be up to to the next GM to try to somehow remove these 2 and get a quality coach to even have a chance to reach the finals again.