Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[Kobblehead]

The quality of the product, not the popularity boosted by the casuals.

Alright, you know what?

Let's look at the teams in the Top 10 in defense. And then look at the teams Top 10 in offense. And eliminate all the teams that are Top 10 in both to avoid convolution.

Defensive Product:
Jazz
Grizzlies
Heat
Thunder
Pacers
Magic

Offensive Product:
Warriors
Rockets
Blazers
Sixers
Clippers
Spurs

1. Which group has the higher win percentage?
2. Which group provides the better entertainment factor?

The answer to both questions is obvious.

[VDT]

Booker imo is a tertiary player in a title team in the way that Klay is now. He is not particularly gifted athletically and in bbiq so ideally you dont want him any higher in the totem pole. Chucking for a team with no expectations that is usually 15 points down is not necessarily a good gauge of his scoring prowess.

[Bum Adebayo]

The quality of the product, not the popularity boosted by the casuals.

Alright, you know what?

Let's look at the teams in the Top 10 in defense. And then look at the teams Top 10 in offense. And eliminate all the teams that are Top 10 in both to avoid convolution.

Defensive Product:
Jazz
Grizzlies
Heat
Thunder
Pacers
Magic

Offensive Product:
Warriors
Rockets
Blazers
Sixers
Clippers
Spurs

1. Which group has the higher win percentage?
2. Which group provides the better entertainment factor?

The answer to both questions is obvious.

Better entertainment for the casuals, not for everyone, I don't find 3pt spamming and avoiding midrange shots while conserving energy on D entertaining. What matters is the game being balanced, not what increases the ratings or what the casuals like more.
Booker is the kaiser of empty stats and the darling of casuals.

[Kobblehead]

Booker imo is a tertiary player in a title team in the way that Klay is now. He is not particularly gifted athletically and in bbiq so ideally you dont want him any higher in the totem pole. Chucking for a team with no expectations that is usually 15 points down is not necessarily a good gauge of his scoring prowess.

Nah, he's way closer to James Harden then he is Klay Thompson.

Klay is an assist converter. Devin is running pick and roll, pulling up off the dribble, creating for teammates, etc.

This dude just averaged just under 27 a game on 58% true shooting. He's one of the best young offensive players in the game.

[Kobblehead]

Better entertainment for the casuals, not for everyone, I don't find 3pt spamming and avoiding midrange shots while conserving energy on D entertaining. What matters is the game being balanced, not what increases the ratings or what the casuals like more.

So the only satisfaction you'll get is if one of the balanced teams with a balanced superstar (Raptors or Bucks) win the title this year?

[Bum Adebayo]

Better entertainment for the casuals, not for everyone, I don't find 3pt spamming and avoiding midrange shots while conserving energy on D entertaining. What matters is the game being balanced, not what increases the ratings or what the casuals like more.

So the only satisfaction you'll get is if one of the balanced teams with a balanced superstar (Raptors or Bucks) win the title this year?

Exactly, good basketball being rewarded.

[Stanford]

Better entertainment for the casuals.

Oh so now we're casual shaming on the Sixers board.

[Bum Adebayo]

Also I can accept an offensive player that is not good on defense if he at least tries. Booker doesn't give a ****, he only cares about his stats.

[Kobblehead]

Better entertainment for the casuals, not for everyone, I don't find 3pt spamming and avoiding midrange shots while conserving energy on D entertaining. What matters is the game being balanced, not what increases the ratings or what the casuals like more.

So the only satisfaction you'll get is if one of the balanced teams with a balanced superstar (Raptors or Bucks) win the title this year?

Exactly, good basketball being rewarded.

And the bane of your existence will be if the Rockets beat the Bucks in the Finals and Harden wins the Finals MVP?

[VDT]

Booker imo is a tertiary player in a title team in the way that Klay is now. He is not particularly gifted athletically and in bbiq so ideally you dont want him any higher in the totem pole. Chucking for a team with no expectations that is usually 15 points down is not necessarily a good gauge of his scoring prowess.

Nah, he's way closer to James Harden then he is Klay Thompson.

Klay is an assist converter. Devin is running pick and roll, pulling up off the dribble, creating for teammates, etc.

This dude just averaged just under 27 a game on 58% true shooting. He's one of the best young offensive players in the game.

As i said he is doing that for a team that noone gameplans for and for a team that most teams dont take seriously so i would take even this above average but not stellar efficiency with a grain of salt.

Of course he is still young and may prove me wrong but i dont think he has the physical tools or the basketball iq to be more than the third piece on a title team (unless maybe the team is incredibly stacked or he is playing with a top 10 goat type of player in his prime).

[Kobblehead]

Booker imo is a tertiary player in a title team in the way that Klay is now. He is not particularly gifted athletically and in bbiq so ideally you dont want him any higher in the totem pole. Chucking for a team with no expectations that is usually 15 points down is not necessarily a good gauge of his scoring prowess.

Nah, he's way closer to James Harden then he is Klay Thompson.

Klay is an assist converter. Devin is running pick and roll, pulling up off the dribble, creating for teammates, etc.

This dude just averaged just under 27 a game on 58% true shooting. He's one of the best young offensive players in the game.

As i said he is doing that for a team that noone gameplans for and for a team that most teams dont take seriously so i would take even this above average but not stellar efficiency with a grain of salt.

Of course he is still young and may prove me wrong but i dont think he has the physical tools or the basketball iq to be more than the third piece on a title team (unless maybe the team is incredibly stacked or he is playing with a top 10 goat type of player in his prime).

Personally, I think you will gradually be proven wrong.

You don't think defensive mastermind Brad Stevens wasn't motivated to try and gameplan to stop Devin Booker after he dropped 70 on him? He still has no answers for him. He dropped 38 points in 2 of the last 3 games against Boston.

I think Booker is easily one of the Top 10 players in the NBA in the next 6 or so years as some of the 28+ year old guys get phased out of the elite level.

Booker is one of the best young offensive players in the game.

[Bum Adebayo]

So the only satisfaction you'll get is if one of the balanced teams with a balanced superstar (Raptors or Bucks) win the title this year?

Exactly, good basketball being rewarded.

And the bane of your existence will be if the Rockets beat the Bucks in the Finals and Harden wins the Finals MVP?

Yes, Rockets under any circumstance can win it all. I have no issue with Warriors winning it all, they impulsed the 3pt shooting trend but for a good reason, because they have the best shooter of all time, it made sense, they also played solid defense overall.
However Rockets represent all that is wrong with the actual NBA. Pure analytics driven exploiting the actual **** rules: 3pt spamming and avoid all midrange shots, either 3pt shots or layups. Also James Soften flopping like there is no tomorrow and don't giving a **** about defense. They have created the blueprint of how to win while playing bad basketball.

[Kobblehead]

I think you should work towards embracing the offensive emphasis. Otherwise, you won't be too happy as a basketball fan in the coming decades. Like I pointed out, the percentage of difference-makers that enter the league that actually bother to play defense is getting smaller. And the league office is only going to further tweak the rules to dissuade defensive play.

[Bum Adebayo]

I think you should work towards embracing the offensive emphasis. Otherwise, you won't be too happy as a basketball fan in the coming decades. Like I pointed out, the percentage of difference-makers that enter the league that actually bother to play defense is getting smaller. And the league office is only going to further tweak the rules to dissuade defensive play.

Dissuade defense even more? it is already at an all time low

[No-Man]

There is a report that execs believe Malcolm Brogdon will get 60 million over 4 years. If I were the 76ers I'd offer Brogdon 80 million over 4 years (if he's healthy) the 1st day of Free agency. I'd see if Milwaukee is going to match. If not , I'd let one of our free agents leave and have Brogdon replace them.



https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/04/execs-project-four-years-60mm-for-malcolm-brogdon.html

You could get Vasa Micic for $15M for 3 years who would offer you a similar playing level esp for this team

Brogdon can't defend quick-twitch stud Guards either

[No-Man]

I mean, watch the Blazers/Thunder series.

Two-way superstar Paul George is out there and the Thunder are chock full of long, defensive athletes with a great defensive system. And they're getting embarrassed by the Blazers.

Defensive minded Steven Adams and Nerlens Noel got their ass handed to them in Game 1 by a 20 and 18 performance by Enes Kanter.

The two best players on the court in this series are Dame Lillard and C.J. McCollum and neither could be bothered to play a lick of defense throughout their careers.

Dude, you need to watch actual game tape, McCollum works his ass on defense, he is small and has some limitations that make him terrible for some match-ups, but the dude bothers playing defense, for anybody with eyes who watches games

Lillard is bad

[LloydFree]

I think you should work towards embracing the offensive emphasis. Otherwise, you won't be too happy as a basketball fan in the coming decades. Like I pointed out, the percentage of difference-makers that enter the league that actually bother to play defense is getting smaller. And the league office is only going to further tweak the rules to dissuade defensive play.

I'm somewhat surprised at your position on be this. As ugly as the 76ers' offense looks at times, that's almost never the reason they lose games. They lose because they can't stop anybody. Last year they couldn't stop wings because they had to use Covington to defend PG. This year they can't guard eithwr guard spot, because they don't have anyone that can cover a guard. Kemba Walker isn't going to do anything. He's part of the reason Charlotte doesn't win. He's a liability in his own right.

[Kobblehead]

Charlotte is a sub-20 win roster that has been carried to an average of 39 wins per season over the last 4 year stretch of Kemba's breakout. Their actual roster has been terrible for years. What Kemba has done to even get them to flirt with the playoffs is nothing short of amazing.

He deserves a plaque for winning 48 games in 2016 with Nic Batum as his running mate. Someone who would be the 4th, 5th or 6th best player on almost any other playoff team that year.

[VDT]

Nah, he's way closer to James Harden then he is Klay Thompson.

Klay is an assist converter. Devin is running pick and roll, pulling up off the dribble, creating for teammates, etc.

This dude just averaged just under 27 a game on 58% true shooting. He's one of the best young offensive players in the game.

As i said he is doing that for a team that noone gameplans for and for a team that most teams dont take seriously so i would take even this above average but not stellar efficiency with a grain of salt.

Of course he is still young and may prove me wrong but i dont think he has the physical tools or the basketball iq to be more than the third piece on a title team (unless maybe the team is incredibly stacked or he is playing with a top 10 goat type of player in his prime).

Personally, I think you will gradually be proven wrong.

You don't think defensive mastermind Brad Stevens wasn't motivated to try and gameplan to stop Devin Booker after he dropped 70 on him? He still has no answers for him. He dropped 38 points in 2 of the last 3 games against Boston.

I think Booker is easily one of the Top 10 players in the NBA in the next 6 or so years as some of the 28+ year old guys get phased out of the elite level.

Booker is one of the best young offensive players in the game.

He is a perimeter player so on any given night he can get hot and score a lot of points. But i doubt that the Celtics take a game against the Suns that seriously.

As i said even if he improves defensively he will never be an impactful player there. Offensively i dont see him being the 1a guy on a contender, they guy that handles the ball and creates for others. So if he is a non factor defensively and plays mostly off the ball offensively it sounds a lot like a third best player to me.

But you are right we will see in the next years.

[XtremeDunkz]

Booker will be a career empty stats player just like KAT.