2019 NBA Draft

[smittybanton]

Nicolas Claxton invited to the green room.

[smittybanton]

i watched the elton brand press conference, and i'm happy to say that he said absolutely nothing of substance other than we have 5picks and lots of options, after which he agreed with every proposal laid before him, including drafting someone ready to play immediately "unless of course someone's talent is off the charts". perfect rubbish.

if it takes #24 to get claxton, i'd do it. if the blazers want 2nd round picks instead of the 25, i'd give them 34 and 34 for thybulle. and i'd somehow move up from 42 with 54 to get daniel gafford.

shake milton, zhaire smith, matisse thybulle, nicolas claxton, daniel gafford. aint nobody scoring on us in vegas.

[FireMorey]

I don't get how Cam Johnson could bring that much of a disappointment. It's pick 24. He has a known skill, it would be an unexciting pick, but not necessarily a bad one. At least you know what you're getting. The odds of anyone there being anything special is so slim. I just want to get someone out of there I know for a fact can contribute something.

[Negrodamus]

I don't get how Cam Johnson could bring that much of a disappointment. It's pick 24. He has a known skill, it would be an unexciting pick, but not necessarily a bad one. At least you know what you're getting. The odds of anyone there being anything special is so slim. I just want to get someone out of there I know for a fact can contribute something.

Because he's not going to go out there and do just that one thing. Otherwise Jimmer Fredette would be on an NBA team.

The problem with the draft is that some team hits on a Landry Shamet (and even he showed an ability to create for both himself and others) and points to that as a reason to keep drafting those types of players. He is a type of player that rarely pan out.

Lets check in on the 2015 draft at around that range for someone like Cam Johnson. RJ Hunter? Barely in the league. 2014 there was PJ Hairston. He's not playing basketball any more. I suppose you could argue that Rodney Hood, now on his third team, is a success story. Reggie Bullock in 2013 is on his 4th team and is just now starting to perform in the league. Tony Snell, in the same year, can be looked at as a success story I guess.

Who we're missing out on in all these years if you focus on a more well rounded game are: Spencer Dinwiddie, Nikola Jokic, Clint Capela, Bogdan Bogdanovic, Kyle Anderson, Josh Richardson. I just don't know what the upside is playing around with these one dimensional players. No one is questioning if they can shoot at an NBA level, maybe it's everything else they can't do that is of concern.

[BullyKing]

I don't get how Cam Johnson could bring that much of a disappointment. It's pick 24. He has a known skill, it would be an unexciting pick, but not necessarily a bad one. At least you know what you're getting. The odds of anyone there being anything special is so slim. I just want to get someone out of there I know for a fact can contribute something.

Because he's not going to go out there and do just that one thing. Otherwise Jimmer Fredette would be on an NBA team.

The problem with the draft is that some team hits on a Landry Shamet (and even he showed an ability to create for both himself and others) and points to that as a reason to keep drafting. He is a type of player that rarely pan out.

Lets check in on the 2015 draft at around that range for someone like Cam Johnson. RJ Hunter? Barely in the league. 2014 there was PJ Hairston. He's not playing basketball any more. I suppose you could argue that Rodney Hood, now on his third team, is a success story. Reggie Bullock in 2013 is on his 4th team and is just now starting to perform in the league. Tony Snell, in the same year, can be looked at as a success story I guess.

Who we're missing out on in all these years if you focus on a more well rounded game are: Spencer Dinwiddie, Nikola Jokic, Clint Capela, Bogdan Bogdanovic, Kyle Anderson, Josh Richardson. I just don't know what the upside is playing around with these one dimensional players. No one is questioning if they can shoot at an NBA level, maybe it's everything else they can't do that is of concern.

Yeah the problem with these types of players is that when their shot is on, it's basically just balancing out what they give away on the other end. When their shot is off, it's a bloodbath.

[Negrodamus]

Watch on YouTube

Somebody made this huge video of Terence Davis and I'm here for it.

[Sixerfever216]

I don't get how Cam Johnson could bring that much of a disappointment. It's pick 24. He has a known skill, it would be an unexciting pick, but not necessarily a bad one. At least you know what you're getting. The odds of anyone there being anything special is so slim. I just want to get someone out of there I know for a fact can contribute something.

He's a solid shooter but he's not JJ Reddick. He dosent have an elite skill plus he's not a great defender. There's really no upside to his game.

[Arsenal]

What's the problem with Grant Williams? His stats look great and he's still only 20 years old. The jump in FT% leads me to believe he can shoot 3's well in time. Good assist, block, and steal numbers.

If he can slim down a bit and defend wings he looks to be a nice player. What am I missing? Is it just the length - too small to play PF and not quick enough to play SF?

http://www.tankathon.com/players/grant-williams

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/grant-williams-1.html

[Skates]

I really like Dylan Windler better than Caneron Johnson. I think someone grabs Cam a few picks before us. Give me Thybulle and Windler, add a point guard and big man prospect later and take a stash with the last pick, Blue Coats injury stash like Charles Mitchell or someone who falls in the fifties. I fall in and out of love with Carsen Edwards, really torn on loving him and thinking he won't ever be efficient or able to stay on the court defensively, but if we took him in the 30's I won't complain.

[Black Mage]

I don't get how Cam Johnson could bring that much of a disappointment. It's pick 24. He has a known skill, it would be an unexciting pick, but not necessarily a bad one. At least you know what you're getting. The odds of anyone there being anything special is so slim. I just want to get someone out of there I know for a fact can contribute something.

Johnson hasn't been healthy for 4 of his 5 college years. Rumors coming out that multiple teams have red flagged him for health concerns. He had surgery last year to correct a "bone" issue in his hip and repair a labrum. Labrum's are supposed to be one of the most durable cartilages in the body and is absolutely vital to having a functional hip. The fact his is already damaged and he had a bone condition in the hip is NOT a good sign. I am tired of redshirt first round picks.

Also, Johnson is a great stationary shooter. He is not a dynamic shooter in motion which is the more important skillset given the sets Brett runs.

[Black Mage]

What's the problem with Grant Williams? His stats look great and he's still only 20 years old. The jump in FT% leads me to believe he can shoot 3's well in time. Good assist, block, and steal numbers.

If he can slim down a bit and defend wings he looks to be a nice player. What am I missing? Is it just the length - too small to play PF and not quick enough to play SF?

http://www.tankathon.com/players/grant-williams

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/grant-williams-1.html

Tweener. Too slow for the elite 3's of the world. Too short to pose a vertical challenge for the 4's of the world. Also an awful fit with Simmons and Embiid as he occupies the same space they do.

[Arsenal]

What's the problem with Grant Williams? His stats look great and he's still only 20 years old. The jump in FT% leads me to believe he can shoot 3's well in time. Good assist, block, and steal numbers.

If he can slim down a bit and defend wings he looks to be a nice player. What am I missing? Is it just the length - too small to play PF and not quick enough to play SF?

http://www.tankathon.com/players/grant-williams

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/grant-williams-1.html

Tweener. Too slow for the elite 3's of the world. Too short to pose a vertical challenge for the 4's of the world. Also an awful fit with Simmons and Embiid as he occupies the same space they do.

Too bad because his numbers are eye popping. He was #1 above even Zion among PF in RAPM I believe.

I guess he would only have value if he can slim down enough to defend SF, and extend his range to shoot 3's.

[PhilasFinest]

At this point, ill be happy with anyone besides Cam Johnson.

Terence Davis, Bol (Upside) and Darius Bazley(Upside) are my hopefuls at 24 without a fluke fall from NAW to 24.

Then give me Dedric Lawson in the 2nd round

[Sixerscan]

i watched the elton brand press conference, and i'm happy to say that he said absolutely nothing of substance other than we have 5picks and lots of options, after which he agreed with every proposal laid before him, including drafting someone ready to play immediately "unless of course someone's talent is off the charts". perfect rubbish.

if it takes #24 to get claxton, i'd do it. if the blazers want 2nd round picks instead of the 25, i'd give them 34 and 34 for thybulle. and i'd somehow move up from 42 with 54 to get daniel gafford.

shake milton, zhaire smith, matisse thybulle, nicolas claxton, daniel gafford. aint nobody scoring on us in vegas.

That's all I'm focused on. Fill out the summer league team.

[Mik317]

I don't get how Cam Johnson could bring that much of a disappointment. It's pick 24. He has a known skill, it would be an unexciting pick, but not necessarily a bad one. At least you know what you're getting. The odds of anyone there being anything special is so slim. I just want to get someone out of there I know for a fact can contribute something.

Because he's not going to go out there and do just that one thing. Otherwise Jimmer Fredette would be on an NBA team.

The problem with the draft is that some team hits on a Landry Shamet (and even he showed an ability to create for both himself and others) and points to that as a reason to keep drafting those types of players. He is a type of player that rarely pan out.

Lets check in on the 2015 draft at around that range for someone like Cam Johnson. RJ Hunter? Barely in the league. 2014 there was PJ Hairston. He's not playing basketball any more. I suppose you could argue that Rodney Hood, now on his third team, is a success story. Reggie Bullock in 2013 is on his 4th team and is just now starting to perform in the league. Tony Snell, in the same year, can be looked at as a success story I guess.

Who we're missing out on in all these years if you focus on a more well rounded game are: Spencer Dinwiddie, Nikola Jokic, Clint Capela, Bogdan Bogdanovic, Kyle Anderson, Josh Richardson. I just don't know what the upside is playing around with these one dimensional players. No one is questioning if they can shoot at an NBA level, maybe it's everything else they can't do that is of concern.

this.

Basically don't settle for dudes who in theory can do one thing well. For all of the **** JJ gets and often deserves, his shooting ability is more than just standstill and his mid range is borderline elite. That is the only type of specialist one should get and even then....it took JJ 4 seasons before he was playable damn near.

[FireMorey]

I just disagree. You may prefer other guys, that's not where I disagree. Some people here are going to be flat out pissed if we take Cam Johnson and being pissed is what I don't get. There's a difference between preferring other players and hating a pick. I don't get hating picking a guy at 24 who is a very good shooter and would have a role here.

Could he be a liability on defense? Yeah sure. And maybe he won't have the athletic agility to move around and create his own shot, but I think his shooting will translate to the NBA and that's something. That's better than guys like Korkmaz, Bolden, TJ, Jon Simmons who give you either nothing or next to nothing. They do nothing well. With Cam at least we'll be adding a guy who can space the floor and hit 3's. Is it value best spent? Probably not, but I think it's perfectly understandable if that's the route they go. And maybe he'll show a little more on the offensive end than we thought.

I think Thybulle has higher upside, but I could easily envision a scenario where Thybulle isn't playable in a playoff series because he's young and hit shooting hasn't translated yet, and on defense he gets overpowered because he's still a kid. Where Cam Johnson I think is a guy who could get playoff minutes, and get you 3's especially in transition.

[BullyKing]

Could he be a liability on defense? Yeah sure. And maybe he won't have the athletic agility to move around and create his own shot, but I think his shooting will translate to the NBA and that's something. That's better than guys like Korkmaz, Bolden, TJ, Jon Simmons who give you either nothing or next to nothing. They do nothing well. With Cam at least we'll be adding a guy who can space the floor and hit 3's. Is it value best spent? Probably not, but I think it's perfectly understandable if that's the route they go. And maybe he'll show a little more on the offensive end than we thought.

The player you're describing in this paragraph is someone you sign to a minimum contract, not someone you spend a first round pick on.

[Black Mage]

Unfortunately, family matters kept me from doing my round 2 scouting report, however, my big board is as follows:

Pick 24:

Mfiondu Kabengele
Carsen Edwards
Matisse Thybulle
Dylan Windler

Picks 33 and 34

Dylan WIndler
Admiral Schofield
Chuma Okeke (if he is available then he should be automatic pick with one of these selections)
Jalen McDaniels
Eric Paschall
Darius Bazley

Pick 42

Terrance Mann
Louis King
Isaiah Roby
Jontay Porter (if we missed out on Chuma)


Pick 54

Aubrey Dawkins
Yovel Zoosman
Brian Bowen
Zylan Cheatham

[FireMorey]

Could he be a liability on defense? Yeah sure. And maybe he won't have the athletic agility to move around and create his own shot, but I think his shooting will translate to the NBA and that's something. That's better than guys like Korkmaz, Bolden, TJ, Jon Simmons who give you either nothing or next to nothing. They do nothing well. With Cam at least we'll be adding a guy who can space the floor and hit 3's. Is it value best spent? Probably not, but I think it's perfectly understandable if that's the route they go. And maybe he'll show a little more on the offensive end than we thought.

The player you're describing in this paragraph is someone you sign to a minimum contract, not someone you spend a first round pick on.

With late first rounders I disagree. I think at that point if you even get someone who is a solid contributor who fills a role you made a good pick. Draft someone who isn't total crap and I think you made a good pick in the mid 20's-30.

Assuming the Sixers run it back, they don't have a lot of financial flexibility so need definite contributions from their draft picks, because they won't be able to sign a lot outside of keeping their core. So that's the risk you run with rawer/higher upside guys. You take guys who you see growth potential in, but if they don't reach it, you get nothing. On a team that's looking to win now and take advantage of a depleted Warriors team out west, I would be fine if they took a guy in the first round who could fill a role and fill it now.

Tbh I don't really see a significant difference in this particular draft anyway in guys from 24-30 and guys from 31-45. A lot of mocks have Okeke going in the 2nd round because of the ACL, but I think he's better than most guys I see going in the 20's.

[Negrodamus]

I've obviously said my piece on this, but the draft is where you aim to get potential stars, in my opinion. Otherwise you're not maximizing the potential of the asset. At best, you get a mainstay on your roster, possibly even a star. At worst, the pick busts, the damage is mitigated and you move on.

Save role player positions for FA.