Welcome Tyrese Maxey!

[HotelVitale]

FWIW I took a look to the Arkansas-Kentucky game , aired on 1/18/2020.
It's a must-see game for sixers' fan because it gives us a chance to see Maxey and Joe on the floor at the same time.
They guarded each other for small chunks of the game..

Just watched it, game was pretty brutal. Maxey spent most of the game running around the perimeter and immediately making swing passes and Joe, well, he took every 3 pt shot he could get off but didn't do anything else. Neither of those players got many NBA-style reps and both teams played frantic jostly NCAA offenses that reminded me of pick-up games that people are taking way too seriously. (Also #3 on Arkansas made like 12 awful decisions in a row and then just kept making more. College games are rough.)

Repeating myself some but I'm really not high on Maxey, nothing wrong with him but I just don't get why people are hyped about him. Can't see how he's going to create on his own in the NBA and hard to see how he could make a whole NBA game around pn'r. Fine with where we got him but I don't see him as a steal or anything. Just nothing special in the size/athleticism/quickness/vision deptartments. Love to be wrong, and there are some flashes some times where you can imagine him hitting weird shots from all over the court. (Also this game confirmed that Joe has a nice stroke and okay size, and could probably learn to attack a closeout in time. Definitely a decent 2nd rounder but might very easily be packing his bags in a year.)

[Black Mage]

I know I'm late to the party, but I just had to hi-lite this one part as why you have zero credibility with me anymore. There's video of him literally just letting guys run past him in college. GTFO.

Cool, so you form opinions on 2 second vines you saw in 2016.

My analysis said he was an elite defender coming out and he's already an all-NBA defender. So maybe you should just listen to me next time so you don't get fed bad information. I said Ben Simmons and Alex Caruso were the best defensive players in the SEC that year and it wasn't even close. And low and behold...

Let's see some of your historical kernels of scouting ability shall we?

Kobblehead 7.10.17:


Post#1287 » by Kobblehead » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:27 pm

I will promise you that Lonzo Ball will be one of the players in this draft that makes all-star teams.

Post #1722 » by Kobblehead » Mon May 30, 2016 6:47 pm

D'Angelo Russell vs. Ben Simmons is a worthy debate. Simmons vs. Ingram is so contrived. Nobody can build a good case for taking Ingram.


And then we have this gem:

#23 » by Kobblehead » Tue May 31, 2016 10:58 am

All-out defense:
Dunn
Grant
Simmons
Noel
Embiid

Transition Nightmare:
McConnell
Dunn
Grant
Simmons
Noel

All-out offense:
Dunn
Stauskas
Covington / Thompson
Saric
Simmons

Balanced Attack:
Dunn
Stauskas
Covington
Simmons
Embiid

I don't think it will be that hard building versatile, compatible line-ups around Ben Simmons and Kris Dunn.

Maybe my comment was too harsh, but you have given just as many awful evaluations as you have hits. It was more than fair to question if Simmons would buy in to become an elite defender and that was a legitimate question at the time based on his play in college.

[phillynative]

FWIW I took a look to the Arkansas-Kentucky game , aired on 1/18/2020.
It's a must-see game for sixers' fan because it gives us a chance to see Maxey and Joe on the floor at the same time.
They guarded each other for small chunks of the game..

Just watched it, game was pretty brutal. Maxey spent most of the game running around the perimeter and immediately making swing passes and Joe, well, he took every 3 pt shot he could get off but didn't do anything else. Neither of those players got many NBA-style reps and both teams played frantic jostly NCAA offenses that reminded me of pick-up games that people are taking way too seriously. (Also #3 on Arkansas made like 12 awful decisions in a row and then just kept making more. College games are rough.)

Repeating myself some but I'm really not high on Maxey, nothing wrong with him but I just don't get why people are hyped about him. Can't see how he's going to create on his own in the NBA and hard to see how he could make a whole NBA game around pn'r. Fine with where we got him but I don't see him as a steal or anything. Just nothing special in the size/athleticism/quickness/vision deptartments. Love to be wrong, and there are some flashes some times where you can imagine him hitting weird shots from all over the court. (Also this game confirmed that Joe has a nice stroke and okay size, and could probably learn to attack a closeout in time. Definitely a decent 2nd rounder but might very easily be packing his bags in a year.)

Almost exactly my thought on them so far.

[Kobblehead]

Maybe my comment was too harsh, but you have given just as many awful evaluations as you have hits.

Wrong, my hit rate is off the charts. If you think otherwise, you're not paying close enough attention. Why are you being weirdly obsessive right now anyway? Stop hating and have fun. It's a basketball board, bro.

[Kobblehead]

FWIW I took a look to the Arkansas-Kentucky game , aired on 1/18/2020.
It's a must-see game for sixers' fan because it gives us a chance to see Maxey and Joe on the floor at the same time.
They guarded each other for small chunks of the game..

Just watched it, game was pretty brutal. Maxey spent most of the game running around the perimeter and immediately making swing passes and Joe, well, he took every 3 pt shot he could get off but didn't do anything else. Neither of those players got many NBA-style reps and both teams played frantic jostly NCAA offenses that reminded me of pick-up games that people are taking way too seriously. (Also #3 on Arkansas made like 12 awful decisions in a row and then just kept making more. College games are rough.)

Repeating myself some but I'm really not high on Maxey, nothing wrong with him but I just don't get why people are hyped about him. Can't see how he's going to create on his own in the NBA and hard to see how he could make a whole NBA game around pn'r. Fine with where we got him but I don't see him as a steal or anything. Just nothing special in the size/athleticism/quickness/vision deptartments. Love to be wrong, and there are some flashes some times where you can imagine him hitting weird shots from all over the court. (Also this game confirmed that Joe has a nice stroke and okay size, and could probably learn to attack a closeout in time. Definitely a decent 2nd rounder but might very easily be packing his bags in a year.)

Just curious, what did you think of Maxey's teammate Ashton Hagans? I'd rather have him, tbh.

[76ciology]

Naaa. Andrew Toney was a sniper who was also a beast on defense. And he ran PG whenever Cheeks sat down. Toney was more of a selfish Chauncey Billups.

Edit: I mean "Selfish" in a good way. He was more likely to pull up for a jumper in a defender's face and had no conscience.

Lloyd, you just fall into the trap when we’re just trying to know how old you really are

[LloydFree]

Naaa. Andrew Toney was a sniper who was also a beast on defense. And he ran PG whenever Cheeks sat down. Toney was more of a selfish Chauncey Billups.

Edit: I mean "Selfish" in a good way. He was more likely to pull up for a jumper in a defender's face and had no conscience.

Lloyd, you just fall into the trap when we’re just trying to know how old you really are

I just started paying attention very early...

... But yeah, I am kinda old.

[HotelVitale]

FWIW I took a look to the Arkansas-Kentucky game , aired on 1/18/2020.
It's a must-see game for sixers' fan because it gives us a chance to see Maxey and Joe on the floor at the same time.
They guarded each other for small chunks of the game..

Just watched it, game was pretty brutal. Maxey spent most of the game running around the perimeter and immediately making swing passes and Joe, well, he took every 3 pt shot he could get off but didn't do anything else. Neither of those players got many NBA-style reps and both teams played frantic jostly NCAA offenses that reminded me of pick-up games that people are taking way too seriously. (Also #3 on Arkansas made like 12 awful decisions in a row and then just kept making more. College games are rough.) Repeating myself some but I'm really not high on Maxey, nothing wrong with him but I just don't get why people are hyped about him. Can't see how he's going to create on his own in the NBA and hard to see how he could make a whole NBA game around pn'r. Fine with where we got him but I don't see him as a steal or anything. Just nothing special in the size/athleticism/quickness/vision deptartments. Love to be wrong, and there are some flashes some times where you can imagine him hitting weird shots from all over the court. (Also this game confirmed that Joe has a nice stroke and okay size, and could probably learn to attack a closeout in time. Definitely a decent 2nd rounder but might very easily be packing his bags in a year.)

Just curious, what did you think of Maxey's teammate Ashton Hagans? I'd rather have him, tbh.

That's not the only condensed Kentucky I game watched since we drafted Maxey so I can give some very basic impressions of Hagans. He looked like a lot of typical elite school PGs, better athlete than most people and can also dribble at full speed so he's able to create some and capitalize on defensive screw-ups. So much of the good NCAA teams just look like athletes running around and trying to squeeze into gaps, and Hagans seemed like he had the motor, poise, and athleticism to play that game well. But beyond that I don't think he has any signature skill that would make him a particularly good NBA prospect, handle, passing, athleticism, and shooting seemed fine but nothing that's going to make him be consistently effective in the NBA. Seems like a guy you might take a flyer on the off chance he happens to develop all his skills really well. Kind of Chris Duhon-ish.

Maxey seems much more advanced as a slasher--something that's really hard to develop--and also has that shot-making ability (floaters, hanging finishes in traffic, etc). Bouncing back to some comps, I do actually think there's a world in which Maxey could do most of what Donovan Mitchell does, though without being quick or long enough to be a lead creator like DM. It makes sense to me Maxey is a 1st rounder and Hagans isn't, just doesn't make sense to me that Maxey would look like an exciting steal where we got him.

[Skates]

Naaa. Andrew Toney was a sniper who was also a beast on defense. And he ran PG whenever Cheeks sat down. Toney was more of a selfish Chauncey Billups.

Edit: I mean "Selfish" in a good way. He was more likely to pull up for a jumper in a defender's face and had no conscience.

Lloyd, you just fall into the trap when we’re just trying to know how old you really are

I just started paying attention very early...

... But yeah, I am kinda old.

Old? Hell no, we are vintage!

Watched Mo, Andrew, Bobby, Doc and Moses bring a championship to Philadelphia in my senior year of HS, suffered through the Roy Hinson/Jeff Ruland draft day debacle that makes Markelle Fultz look like a decent pick and trade, watched both Barkley and Iverson in their primes and would still take Barkley over AI ten times out of ten.

Like I said, vintage (-;

[LloydFree]

Lloyd, you just fall into the trap when we’re just trying to know how old you really are

I just started paying attention very early...

... But yeah, I am kinda old.

Old? Hell no, we are vintage!

Watched Mo, Andrew, Bobby, Doc and Moses bring a championship to Philadelphia in my senior year of HS, suffered through the Roy Hinson/Jeff Ruland draft day debacle that makes Markelle Fultz look like a decent pick and trade, watched both Barkley and Iverson in their primes and would still take Barkley over AI ten times out of ten.

Like I said, vintage (-;

Ha. You had a better Senior year experience than I had. They traded away Moses Malone (and the #1 overall pick) the day I graduated.

[eyeatoma]

I just started paying attention very early...

... But yeah, I am kinda old.

Old? Hell no, we are vintage!

Watched Mo, Andrew, Bobby, Doc and Moses bring a championship to Philadelphia in my senior year of HS, suffered through the Roy Hinson/Jeff Ruland draft day debacle that makes Markelle Fultz look like a decent pick and trade, watched both Barkley and Iverson in their primes and would still take Barkley over AI ten times out of ten.

Like I said, vintage (-;

Ha. You had a better Senior year experience than I had. They traded away Moses Malone (and the #1 overall pick) the day I graduated.

So you're around 52 years old. Finally figured it out lol.

[sixers hoops]

Wow Brandon Knight . That's good one and that's scary

Knight had several years where he averaged 17 PPG... I think people have too high of expectations for Maxey. He's the 21st pick in the draft, if he has some years where he's a decent starter that's a great outcome.

Definitely agree, Maxey has some good things about him but there's no reason to pretend he's a super prospect, and not because of where he was drafted. He's not that big/long/strong, not that athletic, not that great of a shooter, doesn't have great court vision, etc, so I don't think there's any reason to put big projections on him. There's a chance he has a special knack for scoring in NBA space (given his floater and body control) but that's unlikely+unknowable now, so it seems more realistic to hope that he can be a solid creator/scorer who can also space the floor, dish, and play decent defense. That's a pretty big need for us and seems like a great outcome. It's more likely that in a couple years he can do some of those things well and not others, I'm just hoping that leaves him as a useful rotation guy that fills some holes for us and can maybe play real PO minutes.

B Knight doesn't sound quite right for me (played PG and took a ton of jumpers) but can't think of another hustling score-first combo guard with touch right now.

I don’t watch much college basketball and never heard of Maxey before the draft. After watching some YouTube videos, his three point shot doesn’t look good. It looks like a low release push shot. Trying to fix his shot scares me, and keeping his shot as is, just doesn’t look like it will be effective long term.

Looking at the relationship between free throw percentage and three point potential, I wonder if it applies with his Maxey. His three point shot looks like it’s not viable without adjusting his form.

Anybody else think his form is bizzare?

[LloydFree]

Knight had several years where he averaged 17 PPG... I think people have too high of expectations for Maxey. He's the 21st pick in the draft, if he has some years where he's a decent starter that's a great outcome.

Definitely agree, Maxey has some good things about him but there's no reason to pretend he's a super prospect, and not because of where he was drafted. He's not that big/long/strong, not that athletic, not that great of a shooter, doesn't have great court vision, etc, so I don't think there's any reason to put big projections on him. There's a chance he has a special knack for scoring in NBA space (given his floater and body control) but that's unlikely+unknowable now, so it seems more realistic to hope that he can be a solid creator/scorer who can also space the floor, dish, and play decent defense. That's a pretty big need for us and seems like a great outcome. It's more likely that in a couple years he can do some of those things well and not others, I'm just hoping that leaves him as a useful rotation guy that fills some holes for us and can maybe play real PO minutes.

B Knight doesn't sound quite right for me (played PG and took a ton of jumpers) but can't think of another hustling score-first combo guard with touch right now.

I don’t watch much college basketball and never heard of Maxey before the draft. After watching some YouTube videos, his three point shot doesn’t look good. It looks like a low release push shot. Trying to fix his shot scares me, and keeping his shot as is, just doesn’t look like it will be effective long term.

Looking at the relationship between free throw percentage and three point potential, I wonder if it applies with his Maxey. His three point shot looks like it’s not viable without adjusting his form.

Anybody else think his form is bizzare?

I don't think it's a good form, but I don't think it's bizarre. It's a form I see a lot of little kids use because they're not strong enough to get a 3 pointer up. It's a two hand throw.

I think what happens is this shot starts going in and nobody corrects these kids because it's working. Then they continue in college because all they have to do is stand 5 feet from the defender to get it off. That's harder to do in the NBA, because the defender's are good enough to defend all the way out to 23 feet.

[Arsenal]

Knight had several years where he averaged 17 PPG... I think people have too high of expectations for Maxey. He's the 21st pick in the draft, if he has some years where he's a decent starter that's a great outcome.

Definitely agree, Maxey has some good things about him but there's no reason to pretend he's a super prospect, and not because of where he was drafted. He's not that big/long/strong, not that athletic, not that great of a shooter, doesn't have great court vision, etc, so I don't think there's any reason to put big projections on him. There's a chance he has a special knack for scoring in NBA space (given his floater and body control) but that's unlikely+unknowable now, so it seems more realistic to hope that he can be a solid creator/scorer who can also space the floor, dish, and play decent defense. That's a pretty big need for us and seems like a great outcome. It's more likely that in a couple years he can do some of those things well and not others, I'm just hoping that leaves him as a useful rotation guy that fills some holes for us and can maybe play real PO minutes.

B Knight doesn't sound quite right for me (played PG and took a ton of jumpers) but can't think of another hustling score-first combo guard with touch right now.

I don’t watch much college basketball and never heard of Maxey before the draft. After watching some YouTube videos, his three point shot doesn’t look good. It looks like a low release push shot. Trying to fix his shot scares me, and keeping his shot as is, just doesn’t look like it will be effective long term.

Looking at the relationship between free throw percentage and three point potential, I wonder if it applies with his Maxey. His three point shot looks like it’s not viable without adjusting his form.

Anybody else think his form is bizzare?

Apparently he's made strides cleaning up his form this offseason and showed it off in the Klutch workout where he outshined the #1 overall pick. Considering that and our team's history of improving player shooting, I'm not worried.

[Young22]

@76iology, why do you think Maxey will struggle to separate? His handle is pretty crazy. Very shift with the ball in his hands, too.

His handles are tight but nothing special . He has no advanced moves , counter moves and if he does you didnt really see them playing for kentucky. Jrue for instance struggled off the ball in college but he was always a above average ball handler with solid court vision.

Wait, you think Jrue’s handle is better than Maxey? Jrue’s advantage has always been his size height+weight. Never was fast or crazy handle, but he will give you the shoulder and hips.

[phillynative]

@76iology, why do you think Maxey will struggle to separate? His handle is pretty crazy. Very shift with the ball in his hands, too.

His handles are tight but nothing special . He has no advanced moves , counter moves and if he does you didnt really see them playing for kentucky. Jrue for instance struggled off the ball in college but he was always a above average ball handler with solid court vision.

Wait, you think Jrue’s handle is better than Maxey? Krueger advantage has always been his size height+weight. Never was fast or crazy handle, but he will give you the shoulder and hips.

Yes

[Young22]

His handles are tight but nothing special . He has no advanced moves , counter moves and if he does you didnt really see them playing for kentucky. Jrue for instance struggled off the ball in college but he was always a above average ball handler with solid court vision.

Wait, you think Jrue’s handle is better than Maxey? Krueger advantage has always been his size height+weight. Never was fast or crazy handle, but he will give you the shoulder and hips.

Yes

Honestly it’s laughable. Jrue’s best season was playing with Rondo, a real PG. what moves or counter moves are Jrue known for?

I understand you think Jrue is a better player, and I agree but we don’t have to downplay Maxey or build Jrue up into something he’s not.

[phillynative]

Wait, you think Jrue’s handle is better than Maxey? Krueger advantage has always been his size height+weight. Never was fast or crazy handle, but he will give you the shoulder and hips.

Yes

Honestly it’s laughable. Jrue’s best season was playing with Rondo, a real PG. what moves or counter moves are Jrue known for?

I understand you think Jrue is a better player, and I agree but we don’t have to downplay Maxey or build Jrue up into something he’s not.

lol Jrue is a combo guard of course he's going to slide to the 2 for Rondo whos a pure point.
You can feel its laughable all you want but jrue has alway been a good ball handler never mentioned he was better than anyone though.I just compared the two because they are both combo guards who played off the ball their one year in school.

When i say counter moves I mean craftyness with the ball for example ; crossovers, hesi's , in&out, behind the back, spins ect. Jrue was never explosive but he was always crafty with the ball even when he was a raw offensive player as a 19 y.o rookie. When I watch Maxey I see more of a initial quick first step and slashing rather than shiftiness and ball on the string.

[Young22]

Yes

Honestly it’s laughable. Jrue’s best season was playing with Rondo, a real PG. what moves or counter moves are Jrue known for?

I understand you think Jrue is a better player, and I agree but we don’t have to downplay Maxey or build Jrue up into something he’s not.

lol Jrue is a combo guard of course he's going to slide to the 2 for Rondo whos a pure point.
You can feel its laughable all you want but jrue has alway been a good ball handler never mentioned he was better than anyone though.I just compared the two because they are both combo guards who played off the ball their one year in school.

When i say counter moves I mean craftyness with the ball for example ; crossovers, hesi's , in&out, behind the back, spins ect. Jrue was never explosive but he was always crafty with the ball even when he was a raw offensive player as a 19 y.o rookie. When I watch Maxey I see more of a initial quick first step and slashing rather than shiftiness and ball on the string.

Agree to disagree, I feel like Maxey has the shiftiness your discribing and Jrue doesn’t. I think Jrue uses his body more than craftiness with the ball.

[stormi]

I've been watching a lot of the Kentucky full game comps on youtube just for scouting purposes (usually skip to the second half... lol) and I'm so perplexed on how IQ won POY over Hagans or Maxey or even Richards. He looks like a straight role player on either side of the ball, it's usually Hagans or Maxey defending the point of the attack, and on offense he doesn't create much of anything himself.

I think he has Guard Mikal potential and I would have been fine taking him, but at the college level he looks the most limited of their three headed snake attack.