Tobias Harris Trade Thread

[Roy The Natural]

Completely agree, but to me a clean Tobi for CJ is still the simplest route to beginning to improve this roster. From that point, we deal from more of a position of strength with regard to Simmons, as the desperation to move him is mitigated to a good degree.

My fear is that the bridges have been burned to the point that bringing Simmons back isn't an option, which doesn't help in trying to hype his value as we commence the off season.

I don't think Portland will do it without something attached or some more moving parts. I have CJ ad the better player on a better contract. I think that Harris+Thybulle for CJ+something is likely the move that gets both teams on board. Maybe it's just a 1st rounder, or some player.

I've been on board with CJ+RoCo for Tobias+Thybulle+1st rounder. Though I think that's dependent on Portland having something lined up with DJJ+picks. CJ for Tobias is a leap forward for Philly but it's lateral for Portland. The deal would likely make a lot more sense if Philly is providing something that Portland could desperately use and Thybulle provides that.

I don't like the CJ for Harris straight up deal because it's only viewing the transaction through one team's lens. Portland's going to want to expand this deal into something that grabs other pieces they like that compliment the team. I'm not even sold that Tobias actually makes Portland better than CJ, and I'd argue that if he does, it's by an utterly negligible amount. I think CJs fit vaults The 76ers upwards. I think a neutral lens would show that Portland wants more upside in the transaction.

Good points - I'd sign for Harris/Thybulle/#28 for CJ and RoCo right now. I wouldn't give up Thybulle without getting Covington back, but that deal makes the Sixers instantly better.

As well.. I think it lines up Portland for another GOOD player using DJJ+picks+any needed salary filler. Again, I think it's dependent on having that deal lined up before moving Covington, but I think it's a sensible base fore both teams.

[Roy The Natural]

Completely agree, but to me a clean Tobi for CJ is still the simplest route to beginning to improve this roster. From that point, we deal from more of a position of strength with regard to Simmons, as the desperation to move him is mitigated to a good degree.

My fear is that the bridges have been burned to the point that bringing Simmons back isn't an option, which doesn't help in trying to hype his value as we commence the off season.

I don't think Portland will do it without something attached or some more moving parts. I have CJ ad the better player on a better contract. I think that Harris+Thybulle for CJ+something is likely the move that gets both teams on board. Maybe it's just a 1st rounder, or some player.

I've been on board with CJ+RoCo for Tobias+Thybulle+1st rounder. Though I think that's dependent on Portland having something lined up with DJJ+picks. CJ for Tobias is a leap forward for Philly but it's lateral for Portland. The deal would likely make a lot more sense if Philly is providing something that Portland could desperately use and Thybulle provides that.

I don't like the CJ for Harris straight up deal because it's only viewing the transaction through one team's lens. Portland's going to want to expand this deal into something that grabs other pieces they like that compliment the team. I'm not even sold that Tobias actually makes Portland better than CJ, and I'd argue that if he does, it's by an utterly negligible amount. I think CJs fit vaults The 76ers upwards. I think a neutral lens would show that Portland wants more upside in the transaction.

Portland needs the forward help. Sixers need the guard help. Each of them are on bad contracts. If you want #28 to make up the 5M difference, that will be fine.

See.... It may seem minute too you, and I can't speak for the Blazers organization or the Blazers fanbase as a whole, but I'd just pass then. I'd rather split CJ up into lesser, better fit, players than swap for Tobias pretty much straight. Tobias doesn't really solve the Blazers problems. He's straight lateral. I have him hurting the Blazers 2nd ranked offense, and helping their defense... both at a minimal level, but gun to my head... he hurts the offense more than he helps the defense.

He doesn't space the offense due to lack of volume behind the arc, and isn't a good option as a permanent second ball-handler which Portland will need when trading CJ. He's in my opinion an average at best defender who's propped up by elite defenders surrounding him and will fall right back into the mediocre category once that elite help has dissipated. It's a trade that makes A TON of sense for Philly, and is basically "meh" at best for Portland.

No one's demanding that Philly make such a trade, but I don't think it's the give-in great fit that people on this board tend to think it is. Portland would love some offense from the forward spot, but that increase in offense is critically mitigated by the hit in offense that Portland takes from the exodus of their secondary ball-handler and current #2 scorer.

It feels to me like CJ is solving the lionshare of Philly's problems and Portland is sort of getting a dubious "just a guy" type fit. A guy who's going to struggle to fit alongside Nurkic offensively and is likely going to regress defensively "perception and effectivity wise" when his responsibilities are increased on that side of the ball. Portland's going to want to do more than plug a whole at the cost of creating a hole that are near equivalate in nature when making such a trade. The #2 ranked offense can plug more pressing holes than offense from the forward spots if they are trading McCollum, which they should do.

[sodmoraes]

I would trade Tobias + Tybulle for CJ + Rocco BADLY. Matisse is kinda overrated, he will never be a decent offensive player. I actually think Covington fit our team better.

Cj would be massive for us. We really need some backcourt creation. He may not be a star like Dame but our team would be way more balanced.

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[Sportfan73]

I would trade Tobias + Tybulle for CJ + Rocco BADLY. Matisse is kinda overrated, he will never be a decent offensive player. I actually think Covington fit our team better.

Cj would be massive for us. We really need some backcourt creation. He may not be a star like Dame but our team would be way more balanced.

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Yeah throw 28 and or shake in that deal if need be

[the_process]

CJ gets hunted like a fox in a chicken coop on defense in the playoffs. And anyone going against him sees chicken dinner. Blazer fan might want to write a doctoral thesis on why he disagrees, but the fact is during the Dame era only 3 out 8 times have they made it out of the 1st round. Yes they did they make the conference finals once, getting swept by GSW. They went and traded for Covington and Powell, and still got beat in the 1st round by a hobbled Denver team. Moving CJ's scoring to the front court, while minimizing the defensive liability and opening a starting spot for Powell, seems ideal for POR. It has been a recurring theme on the trade board for over a year now, meaning even neutral fans see the fit for both sides.

But CJ is not a cure all for the Sixers. He helps one issue and creates another. And if you're trading Simmons too it will be tough to cover defensively. We can all theorize about how guard defense doesn't matter as much anymore, except of course when you have a guy get roasted on the regular.

[FlyingArrow]

I would trade Tobias + Tybulle for CJ + Rocco BADLY. Matisse is kinda overrated, he will never be a decent offensive player. I actually think Covington fit our team better.

Cj would be massive for us. We really need some backcourt creation. He may not be a star like Dame but our team would be way more balanced.

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Thybulle isn't going to be a shot creator, but I see no reason why he can't be a 3-and-D player instead just a D player.

[Arsenal]

CJ gets hunted like a fox in a chicken coop on defense in the playoffs. And anyone going against him sees chicken dinner. Blazer fan might want to write a doctoral thesis on why he disagrees, but the fact is during the Dame era only 3 out 8 times have they made it out of the 1st round. Yes they did they make the conference finals once, getting swept by GSW. They went and traded for Covington and Powell, and still got beat in the 1st round by a hobbled Denver team. Moving CJ's scoring to the front court, while minimizing the defensive liability and opening a starting spot for Powell, seems ideal for POR. It has been a recurring theme on the trade board for over a year now, meaning even neutral fans see the fit for both sides.

But CJ is not a cure all for the Sixers. He helps one issue and creates another. And if you're trading Simmons too it will be tough to cover defensively. We can all theorize about how guard defense doesn't matter as much anymore, except of course when you have a guy get roasted on the regular.

CJ McCollum makes sense for the Sixers, and always has, as a complement to Ben Simmons.

If Simmons goes for a prototypical (smaller) PG, we have zero need for CJ.

That's why Tobias for CJ is the best deal for us if it costs too much to get a real star w/Ben.

[Dnt hate]

Tobias for
CJ

Simmons, Milton, Hill, and picks for
Brogdon, Lavert, and Warren

Lineup of
Brogdon / Maxey
CJ. /Seth
Lavert. /Thybulle
Warren. /FA/Reed
Embiid. /Dwight/Reed

[PhillyNj]

Tobias for
CJ

Simmons, Milton, Hill, and picks for
Brogdon, Lavert, and Warren

Lineup of
Brogdon / Maxey
CJ. /Seth
Lavert. /Thybulle
Warren. /FA/Reed
Embiid. /Dwight/Reed

This lineup would give up 120 every night be injured all the time and be lucky to be 500.
Way! To small of a team.

[SixersFanInNY]

Tobias for
CJ

Simmons, Milton, Hill, and picks for
Brogdon, Lavert, and Warren

Lineup of
Brogdon / Maxey
CJ. /Seth
Lavert. /Thybulle
Warren. /FA/Reed
Embiid. /Dwight/Reed

This lineup would give up 120 every night be injured all the time and be lucky to be 500.
Way! To small of a team.

Thats the problem with most CJ trades. CJ can be decent, but only on a team with a tall 1 - we all know what happens to CJ + normal height 1 every playoffs. Everybody complains about Ben being a good player but bad paired with Embiid, but CJ just causes another problem since you cant pair him with a normal height 1.

[Dnt hate]

Tobias for
CJ

Simmons, Milton, Hill, and picks for
Brogdon, Lavert, and Warren

Lineup of
Brogdon / Maxey
CJ. /Seth
Lavert. /Thybulle
Warren. /FA/Reed
Embiid. /Dwight/Reed

This lineup would give up 120 every night be injured all the time and be lucky to be 500.
Way! To small of a team.

If Ben actually tried to improve his shot we would keep him and not have a hole at the 4 and defense!

What do you think about Tobias and picks for Brogdon and Warren

Starting lineup of
Brogdon
Seth
Warren
Simmons
Embiid

[PhillyNj]

I would trade Tobias + Tybulle for CJ + Rocco BADLY. Matisse is kinda overrated, he will never be a decent offensive player. I actually think Covington fit our team better.

Cj would be massive for us. We really need some backcourt creation. He may not be a star like Dame but our team would be way more balanced.

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C.J. Sucks Rocco is old. Matisse is a future starter. Keep McCoulmn in Portland he’s overpaid (Robin).

[Foshan]

Yeah, not adding anything to Tobias to turn him into CJ. I’d be willing to give CJ the chance as I don’t think we should trade Simmons in this market which basically only leaves Tobi on the move. But I think we have to keep thybull to cover his awful defense

[mjkvol]

Yeah, not adding anything to Tobias to turn him into CJ. I’d be willing to give CJ the chance as I don’t think we should trade Simmons in this market which basically only leaves Tobi on the move. But I think we have to keep thybull to cover his awful defense

No doubt. If it isn't a clean 1 for 1, then no deal.

[the_process]

Tobias to San Antonio for Dejounte Murray.

Follow it up with a Ben trade for a scoring guard/wing.

[Tomjas]

Utah allegedly likes Harris and needs to make changes as their post season was as bad as ours so …

Harris for Ingles & Bogdanovich

Provides lots of spacing and gets us off his contract

[mjkvol]

Utah allegedly likes Harris and needs to make changes as their post season was as bad as ours so …

Harris for Ingles & Bogdanovich

Provides lots of spacing and gets us off his contract

Where do I sign?

[76ciology]

Utah allegedly likes Harris and needs to make changes as their post season was as bad as ours so …

Harris for Ingles & Bogdanovich

Provides lots of spacing and gets us off his contract

Only possible if you can get a monster scorer with Ben.

Because Ingles and Bogdan aren’t close to shot creators by definition.

[Wilfried]

Indeed, we need shot creation too. Not only scoring/shooting.

Tobias for CJ makes sense. It's a latteral move that somehow makes us better. We could move Seth to the bench too, that would give us more firepower from the 2nd unit too. That's also needed.

If you insert Maxey into the starting 4 (Maxey - McColumn - Green - Simmons - Embiid) you suddenly have 3 guys capable of bringing up the ball. Much more flexible line-up.

And we still keep Ben to up his trade value to go after a disgruntled star when available.

[Tomjas]

Indeed, we need shot creation too. Not only scoring/shooting.

Tobias for CJ makes sense. It's a latteral move that somehow makes us better. We could move Seth to the bench too, that would give us more firepower from the 2nd unit too. That's also needed.

If you insert Maxey into the starting 4 (Maxey - McColumn - Green - Simmons - Embiid) you suddenly have 3 guys capable of bringing up the ball. Much more flexible line-up.

And we still keep Ben to up his trade value to go after a disgruntled star when available.

Ben’s ship has sailed, hit an iceberg & Klutch/Morey have picked him up in a lifeboat which will deliver him to another dock before the season