Welcome Jaden Springer

sixers4real · Post #181 » by **sixers4real** » Fri May 20, 2022 9:22 am

76ciology wrote:Jaden Springer is just 6 months older than Dyson Daniels.
Jaden Springer is just 2 months older than Jaden Hardy.

Jaden Springer 15-4-2

Dyson Daniels 11-6-4 (projected lotto)

Jaden Harden 18-4-3 (mid first)

Their mediocre numbers are almost the same.

I love that we have Jaden.
1. He can be a very NBA player.
2. He can be a very good trade piece.

76ciology · Post #182 » by **76ciology** » Fri May 20, 2022 11:32 am

sixers4real wrote:
76ciology wrote:Jaden Springer is just 6 months older than Dyson Daniels.
Jaden Springer is just 2 months older than Jaden Hardy.

Jaden Springer 15-4-2

Dyson Daniels 11-6-4 (projected lotto)

Jaden Harden 18-4-3 (mid first)

Their mediocre numbers are almost the same.

I love that we have Jaden.
1. He can be a very NBA player.
2. He can be a very good trade piece.

He can be a good trade piece

Negrodamus · Post #183 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri May 20, 2022 12:27 pm

He’s going to do nothing in the league until he can figure out that jumper. He’s intriguing from a defensive standpoint, but I still would have gone a different direction in that draft.

rzzzzz · Post #184 » by **rzzzzz** » Fri May 20, 2022 4:23 pm

How does he compare to Thybulle. Different kind of D, maybe not the same explosive potential, but maybe more reliable. Plus he does handle contact shooting in the paint. Not that he’s a natural born sharp shooter, but I’d give him a year to develop in our rotation.

Kobblehead · Post #185 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat May 21, 2022 11:49 am

His skill level was very poor in year 1 in the G-League. Needs to show immediate improvement this summer. We can't afford for him to be another defensive player that can't develop offensively.

mjkvol · Post #186 » by **mjkvol** » Sat May 21, 2022 1:20 pm

I'm not sure he'll even be here next season. Just feels like a trade add-on.

Arsenal · Post #187 » by **Arsenal** » Sat May 21, 2022 7:06 pm

He's still super young. Doesn't turn 20 until the start of next season, so I expect him to continue improving.

Unfortunately, he's won't be ready to contribute for another year or two precisely because he's too young.

So yeah, I can see him as trade bait.

76ciology · Post #188 » by **76ciology** » Sun May 22, 2022 3:10 am

Do you guys get the same eery feeling that I have that whenever some reporter ask Morey (i believe in spike’s podcast) or Doc (exit interview) about Jaden, their reply is they like him on defense.

We drafted a guard. I dont care about his defense.

Can he score? Can he shoot? Thats what i care about

76ciology · Post #189 » by **76ciology** » Sun May 22, 2022 3:12 am

rzzzzz wrote:How does he compare to Thybulle. Different kind of D, maybe not the same explosive potential, but maybe more reliable. Plus he does handle contact shooting in the paint. Not that he’s a natural born sharp shooter, but I’d give him a year to develop in our rotation.

Jaden is short so he can’t gamble as much as Thybulle.

Jaden is more of a 1v1 defender. Can stay in front of quick guys and have the strength to not get backed down. His defensive style is very similar to Jimmy Butler.

sixers4real · Post #190 » by **sixers4real** » Sun May 22, 2022 9:09 am

76ciology wrote:Do you guys get the same eery feeling that I have that whenever some reporter ask Morey (i believe in spike’s podcast) or Doc (exit interview) about Jaden, their reply is they like him on defense.

We drafted a guard. I dont care about his defense.

Can he score? Can he shoot? Thats what i care about

I don’t think they care about you at all lol. No offense.

They only say positive things. And clearly his positive right now is defense only.

I agree with mjkvol, I don’t see him here long-term. He does not fit the Embiid Harden window. But Morey can sell him high. As high as equivalent of a mid first round 2022 nba draft pick.

I view both Jaden and Matisse as an attached pieces in Tobias trade for a Morey type star hunting deal. (Beal)

ankle420breaker · Post #191 » by **ankle420breaker** » Sun May 22, 2022 10:58 am

Negrodamus wrote:He’s going to do nothing in the league until he can figure out that jumper. He’s intriguing from a defensive standpoint, but I still would have gone a different direction in that draft.

Given that he's still just 19, what do you think the likelihood is that he'll be able to develop that shot?

I agree there's some important holes in his game that'll hold him back from realizing any immediate success as a pro. He was picked as a project so hopefully he adopts the Maxey workout regimen and tolls his way to that level.

One component that intrigues me with Springer is that his body and strength already seem developed beyond his years. He should excel defensively, but his body control and ability/willingness to absorb contact when attacking the paint is impressive for a kid his age.

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Kobblehead · Post #192 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun May 22, 2022 12:00 pm

sixers4real wrote:I don’t see him here long-term. He does not fit the Embiid Harden window.

I don't think we should think like that. By that same logic, the Warriors could have used Jordan Poole as a trade piece because he "doesn't fit" Steph/Klay/Dray timeline.

Keep young players unless they don't develop. Don't move them under the guise of "going all in" on an imaginary window.

blargh · Post #193 » by **blargh** » Sun May 22, 2022 12:04 pm

He’s got a path to be good; it’s just kinda narrow. With his measurables and (lack of) innate shot-creating ability, he’s got to work harder than everyone else to succeed, both in game and in practice. He seems like a hard worker, but the jury’s still out.

sixers4real · Post #194 » by **sixers4real** » Sun May 22, 2022 12:06 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
sixers4real wrote:I don’t see him here long-term. He does not fit the Embiid Harden window.

I don't think we should think like that. By that same logic, the Warriors could have used Jordan Poole as a trade piece because he "doesn't fit" Steph/Klay/Dray timeline.

Keep young players unless they don't develop. Don't move them under the guise of "going all in" on an imaginary window.

Poole to GS is like Maxey to Philly. You don’t trade such.

Jaden? Not really. To me at least.

EDIT: I like Jaden, really I do.

In fact, I think Morey did a phenomenal job at drafting, and I want him to draft more players for Philly.

Maybe I just want Tobias and Tisse gone for good value and I feel Daryl will include Jaden in these type of trade.

Negrodamus · Post #195 » by **Negrodamus** » Sun May 22, 2022 3:43 pm

ankle420breaker wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:He’s going to do nothing in the league until he can figure out that jumper. He’s intriguing from a defensive standpoint, but I still would have gone a different direction in that draft.
Given that he's still just 19, what do you think the likelihood is that he'll be able to develop that shot?

I agree there's some important holes in his game that'll hold him back from realizing any immediate success as a pro. He was picked as a project so hopefully he adopts the Maxey workout regimen and tolls his way to that level.

One component that intrigues me with Springer is that his body and strength already seem developed beyond his years. He should excel defensively, but his body control and ability/willingness to absorb contact when attacking the paint is impressive for a kid his age.

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I'm not sure. Similar to Fultz, he seems more comfortable taking jumpers off the dribble while looking like a fish out of water on C&S situations. He's also fairly slow moving and doesn't really have an advanced handle. He has aspects of his game that are very alluring: finishing at the rim, elite defensively. But if you're barely a threat to shoot 3s, then what is valuable about finishing at the rim. His game needs to be hit 3s, beat the close out, finish at the rim. He currently has a lead guard's game without the requisite handle or speed.

He's still intriguing, but he's unfortunately in that space that is completely unproven enough to have value on the trade market but impressive enough to not give up on.

ankle420breaker · Post #196 » by **ankle420breaker** » Mon May 23, 2022 6:32 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
ankle420breaker wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:He’s going to do nothing in the league until he can figure out that jumper. He’s intriguing from a defensive standpoint, but I still would have gone a different direction in that draft.
Given that he's still just 19, what do you think the likelihood is that he'll be able to develop that shot?

I agree there's some important holes in his game that'll hold him back from realizing any immediate success as a pro. He was picked as a project so hopefully he adopts the Maxey workout regimen and tolls his way to that level.

One component that intrigues me with Springer is that his body and strength already seem developed beyond his years. He should excel defensively, but his body control and ability/willingness to absorb contact when attacking the paint is impressive for a kid his age.

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I'm not sure. Similar to Fultz, he seems more comfortable taking jumpers off the dribble while looking like a fish out of water on C&S situations. He's also fairly slow moving and doesn't really have an advanced handle. He has aspects of his game that are very alluring: finishing at the rim, elite defensively. But if you're barely a threat to shoot 3s, then what is valuable about finishing at the rim. His game needs to be hit 3s, beat the close out, finish at the rim. He currently has a lead guard's game without the requisite handle or speed.

He's still intriguing, but he's unfortunately in that space that is completely unproven enough to have value on the trade market but impressive enough to not give up on.

Definitely enough to be intrigued about, but the key to happiness with Springer is low expectations. I tend to agree its a long road to him rounding out his offense to the point where he's considered a threat.

Still, he could have an Elfrid Payton-like career and it wouldn't be a terrible payoff for a late pick. It'll be nice to get an extended look at him in summer league (providing he's still here).

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Madd Squabbles · Post #197 » by **Madd Squabbles** » Sat May 28, 2022 4:25 am

Negrodamus wrote:He’s going to do nothing in the league until he can figure out that jumper. He’s intriguing from a defensive standpoint, but I still would have gone a different direction in that draft.

Who would you have drafted instead?

Negrodamus · Post #198 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat May 28, 2022 11:36 am

Madd Squabbles wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:He’s going to do nothing in the league until he can figure out that jumper. He’s intriguing from a defensive standpoint, but I still would have gone a different direction in that draft.

Who would you have drafted instead?

If he was available (went around two spots earlier), Josh Christopher. Since he wasn’t, Miles McBride.

Kobblehead · Post #199 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat May 28, 2022 12:18 pm

Based on the guys available at the pick, the only guy I would have taken over Springer is Sharife Cooper. And that's still the case. I don't really see anyone else I wish we took over him.

I don't feel great about his first season in the G-League, though. I have some concerns about his work ethic based on his lack of skill development. I need to see a big leap this year to restore my faith in him.

Negrodamus · Post #200 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat May 28, 2022 1:47 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Madd Squabbles wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:He’s going to do nothing in the league until he can figure out that jumper. He’s intriguing from a defensive standpoint, but I still would have gone a different direction in that draft.

Who would you have drafted instead?

If he was available (went around two spots earlier), Josh Christopher. Since he wasn’t, Miles McBride.

Watch on YouTube

They put him in the G League for 6 games and he looked like 6'3 prime LeBron James, lol. 28ppg, 10 apg, 5 rpg, 3spg with a ridiculous highlight reel.

He's not getting hype because the Knicks are poorly managed and coached by Tom Thibodeau.

Meanwhile Jaden Springer, a first rounder in the G League, was like 5th on team in scoring. Dude probably could have had the green light, but instead decided to be a role player.