Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4

[Tomjas]

Let me say, i love Maxey but if this **** is real, he's a colossal idiot.

With Ben out he has the chance of his life to capitalize in his potential and be a wing for a team with a desperate need for perimeter scoring.

If he follows Ben he's not only starting from the bench as Ben's gonna force his spot as a PG, he could not even see the floor for a season or two depending on which team Ben gets traded to.

I don’t believe that part for one second

[GutUNC]

Something like Simmons, Maxey + 2 1st rnd picks and Korkmaz included to make the salary work for Lillard if the Blazers rumours are true.

Then Simmons will be moved to the Wolves for Edwards and Rubio

Blazers out: Lillard
Wolves out: Edwards, Rubio
Sixers out: Simmons, Maxey, Korkmaz 2x 1sts rnd picks

Blazers in: Edwards, Maxey, Rubio, Korkmaz 2x 1st rnd picks
Wolves in: Simmons
Sixers in: Lillard

Blazers:
CJ
Powell
Edwards
Covington
Nurkic

Wolves:
Russell
Okogie
McDaniels
Simmons
Towns

Sixers:
Dame
Green
Thybulle
Harris
Embiid

I dunno lol but **** Ben.

Did I miss something?

[KramerDSP]

I don’t think there’s anything new on the Portland front. So, no.

[zimpy27]

I think they are just using Maxey to increase their leverage to get Ben traded. Morey still hasn’t traded him and they are running out of options that don’t involve Ben losing salary.

They threaten to use Maxey against the Sixers. If Morey doesn’t blink, then Ben might eventually have to make a decision about missing real games. He prob makes over $350,000 per game, and he has been playing like garbage so the Sixers may not even rush to trade him at that point. They would be saving a lot of money and take their time waiting for a deal at that point. That is a game of chicken Ben or his agents won’t want.

Next step is sitting out randomly due to injuries, followed by berating teammates in practice, but that might not go well for Ben since he was mostly recently booed off the floor in the playoffs.

Ultimately, Ben’s options are limited, but i think his value could very well only get lower. Again, if their was an acceptable deal on the table, they should have taken it to avoid this, but who knows what was really offered. Several of the rumored deal were so bad, I’m okay going this route. It mostly depends on which rumored deals were actually true.

Harden didn't miss games, he showed up and looked awful. Could Simmons not do that?

He already does that. And if he does, then his value goes through the tank. It's easy to play games and look awful when you're arguably the greatest offensive player of all time. Ben doesn't have a leg to stand on in that discussion.

What if he plays into his flaws? Takes less shots? Looks more timid around the rim? Makes it look like the playoff weren't a fluke?

Feels risky to me

[spikeslovechild]

I keep telling people this but I am not really worried about the Ben Simmons situation because he doesn't have any leverage.

If he wants to be traded then he needs to shutup and accept a trade to any team what he is doing by demanding he be traded to a california team is ensuring he stays a sixer.

There is really no other way this plays out unless he moves off his demands. He can sit out all year the Clippers and Lakers have nothing to offer. The Kings really don't either unless Morey is sold on Fox which he shouldn't be.

[eyeatoma]

Harden didn't miss games, he showed up and looked awful. Could Simmons not do that?

He already does that. And if he does, then his value goes through the tank. It's easy to play games and look awful when you're arguably the greatest offensive player of all time. Ben doesn't have a leg to stand on in that discussion.

What if he plays into his flaws? Takes less shots? Looks more timid around the rim? Makes it look like the playoff weren't a fluke?

Feels risky to me

Yup, which is why I agree he shouldn't play at all. I've always had the stance that not trading him before the season starts would be detrimental to his value. There are a lot here who wanted to wait it out. This is the kind of stuff that happens when you wait it out, with a POS agent like Rich Paul. Also, the Sixers fans would eat Ben alive, if he did play, and he would look like a G league level player. He doesn't have the mental fortitude to play through a situation like this. At this point I agree, Daryl overplayed his hand. I don't blame him for the Harden trade though, that was Fertida all the way. In the end, the Sixers got **** when we traded Jimmy and sided with primadona Ben. If Ben was traded then or even last year, we would have gotten an all-star level player easily. At this point, get the best haul you can, and maybe trade Tobias to make the team fit better. Morey needs to do everything he can to trade Tobias for CJ, and then get another haul from Ben, even if it's young players and picks. Maximize value.

[eyeatoma]

I keep telling people this but I am not really worried about the Ben Simmons situation because he doesn't have any leverage.

If he wants to be traded then he needs to shutup and accept a trade to any team what he is doing by demanding he be traded to a california team is ensuring he stays a sixer.

There is really no other way this plays out unless he moves off his demands. He can sit out all year the Clippers and Lakers have nothing to offer. The Kings really don't either unless Morey is sold on Fox which he shouldn't be.

He sits out all year and his value continues to deteriorate. The team will be asked ad nauseam about the trade rumors, and it'll eat at the team like a cancer. This fiasco cannot go into training camp.

[Murray_17]

Harden didn't miss games, he showed up and looked awful. Could Simmons not do that?

Harden could do that because everyone knew Harden value at that point.

Teams who can and are willing to trade for Ben are already limited. If he wants to be traded, it's in his best interest to look good in order to increase his options. That's why this decission is highly moronic for him

[PhillyNj]

I think it’s time the NBA took a stand and force Simmons to sit out for the entire year. This guy better Never come back to Philly, he will be truly hated now.

[stormi]

I keep telling people this but I am not really worried about the Ben Simmons situation because he doesn't have any leverage.

If he wants to be traded then he needs to shutup and accept a trade to any team what he is doing by demanding he be traded to a california team is ensuring he stays a sixer.

There is really no other way this plays out unless he moves off his demands. He can sit out all year the Clippers and Lakers have nothing to offer. The Kings really don't either unless Morey is sold on Fox which he shouldn't be.

I still don't expect him to be traded.

[zimpy27]

He already does that. And if he does, then his value goes through the tank. It's easy to play games and look awful when you're arguably the greatest offensive player of all time. Ben doesn't have a leg to stand on in that discussion.

What if he plays into his flaws? Takes less shots? Looks more timid around the rim? Makes it look like the playoff weren't a fluke?

Feels risky to me

Yup, which is why I agree he shouldn't play at all. I've always had the stance that not trading him before the season starts would be detrimental to his value. There are a lot here who wanted to wait it out. This is the kind of stuff that happens when you wait it up, with a POS agent like Rich Paul. Also, the Sixers fans would eat Ben alive, if he did play, and he would looks like a G league level player. He doesn't have the mental fortitude to play through a situation like this. At this point I agree, Doc overplayed his hand. I don't blame him for the Harden trade though, that was Fertida all the way. In the end, the Sixers got **** when we traded Jimmy and sided with primadona Ben. If Ben was traded then or even last year, we would have gotten an all-star level player easily. At this point, get the best haul you can, and maybe trade Tobias to make the team fit better. Morey needs to do everything he can to trade Tobias for CJ, and then get another haul from Ben, even if it's young players and picks. Maximize value.

Yeah Sixers have had to endure some terrible decisions since they got Simmons and Embiid.

I actually think Simmons, Embiid and Butler would have a championship already. Paying Harris over Butler was a massive error.

[spikeslovechild]

I keep telling people this but I am not really worried about the Ben Simmons situation because he doesn't have any leverage.

If he wants to be traded then he needs to shutup and accept a trade to any team what he is doing by demanding he be traded to a california team is ensuring he stays a sixer.

There is really no other way this plays out unless he moves off his demands. He can sit out all year the Clippers and Lakers have nothing to offer. The Kings really don't either unless Morey is sold on Fox which he shouldn't be.

He sits out all year and his value continues to deteriorate. The team will be asked ad nauseam about the trade rumors, and it'll eat at the team like a cancer. This fiasco cannot go into training camp.

Neither the Kings, Clippers or Lakers can give us anywhere close to value his trade value right now anyways. So who cares if his value deteriorates?

His idiocy is already tanking his trade value by ensuring that all the perspective teams know he prefers LA either that changes or he stays

[eyeatoma]

I keep telling people this but I am not really worried about the Ben Simmons situation because he doesn't have any leverage.

If he wants to be traded then he needs to shutup and accept a trade to any team what he is doing by demanding he be traded to a california team is ensuring he stays a sixer.

There is really no other way this plays out unless he moves off his demands. He can sit out all year the Clippers and Lakers have nothing to offer. The Kings really don't either unless Morey is sold on Fox which he shouldn't be.

He sits out all year and his value continues to deteriorate. The team will be asked ad nauseam about the trade rumors, and it'll eat at the team like a cancer. This fiasco cannot go into training camp.

Neither the Kings, Clippers or Lakers can give us anywhere close to value his trade value right now anyways. So who cares if his value deteriorates?

Jo...Morey... You know, salvaging any chance of getting something of value.

[sixers hoops]

Revenge for aiding in the Noel lawsuit?

I think they are just using Maxey to increase their leverage to get Ben traded. Morey still hasn’t traded him and they are running out of options that don’t involve Ben losing salary.

They threaten to use Maxey against the Sixers. If Morey doesn’t blink, then Ben might eventually have to make a decision about missing real games. He prob makes over $350,000 per game, and he has been playing like garbage so the Sixers may not even rush to trade him at that point. They would be saving a lot of money and take their time waiting for a deal at that point. That is a game of chicken Ben or his agents won’t want.

Next step is sitting out randomly due to injuries, followed by berating teammates in practice, but that might not go well for Ben since he was mostly recently booed off the floor in the playoffs.

Ultimately, Ben’s options are limited, but i think his value could very well only get lower. Again, if their was an acceptable deal on the table, they should have taken it to avoid this, but who knows what was really offered. Several of the rumored deal were so bad, I’m okay going this route. It mostly depends on which rumored deals were actually true.

Harden didn't miss games, he showed up and looked awful. Could Simmons not do that?

He could play bad defense I guess, but my guess is Ben goes hard after an all-star spot. That’s big for his resume since he struggles so much in the playoffs. I think Klutch realizes they have limited leverage which is why they leaked the Maxey angle.

In the cases of Butler in Minn and Kawhi, their value got lower. With Harden and AD, the team got a good return for waiting it out. I think the major variable is the remaining years on the contract. Once the player is expiring and on his way out, value diminishes quickly. With years left on the deal, you can sit through some discord and other teams are still willing to give value.

Not sure Ben is worth it, but he played so poorly in the playoffs, sitting out or tanking his play may not be that effective for him. For the Sixers, they could feasibly get better offers simply by showing teams they aren’t budging until they get what they perceive as acceptable.

Again, I can’t judge Morey without knowing what deals were actually available, but I’m not optimistic the return gets much better.

[sixers hoops]

What if he plays into his flaws? Takes less shots? Looks more timid around the rim? Makes it look like the playoff weren't a fluke?

Feels risky to me

Yup, which is why I agree he shouldn't play at all. I've always had the stance that not trading him before the season starts would be detrimental to his value. There are a lot here who wanted to wait it out. This is the kind of stuff that happens when you wait it up, with a POS agent like Rich Paul. Also, the Sixers fans would eat Ben alive, if he did play, and he would looks like a G league level player. He doesn't have the mental fortitude to play through a situation like this. At this point I agree, Doc overplayed his hand. I don't blame him for the Harden trade though, that was Fertida all the way. In the end, the Sixers got **** when we traded Jimmy and sided with primadona Ben. If Ben was traded then or even last year, we would have gotten an all-star level player easily. At this point, get the best haul you can, and maybe trade Tobias to make the team fit better. Morey needs to do everything he can to trade Tobias for CJ, and then get another haul from Ben, even if it's young players and picks. Maximize value.

Yeah Sixers have had to endure some terrible decisions since they got Simmons and Embiid.

I actually think Simmons, Embiid and Butler would have a championship already. Paying Harris over Butler was a massive error.

Yeah. Elton Brand is not a good GM lol

[spikeslovechild]

He sits out all year and his value continues to deteriorate. The team will be asked ad nauseam about the trade rumors, and it'll eat at the team like a cancer. This fiasco cannot go into training camp.

Neither the Kings, Clippers or Lakers can give us anywhere close to value his trade value right now anyways. So who cares if his value deteriorates?

Jo...Morey... You know, salvaging any chance of getting something of value.

Yeah for what those teams have to offer I'd rather play hardball with him and roll the dice either he will move off just playing for LA teams or he can stay at home playing COD losing game checks.

[Negrodamus]

All I'll say is if he's traded to the Kings for Hield, Barnes, and used toilet paper, I'll have trouble watching next year. It'll be clear that Rich Paul has complete control of the league.

[spikeslovechild]

All I'll say is if he's traded to the Kings for Hield, Barnes, and used toilet paper, I'll have trouble watching next year. It'll be clear that Rich Paul has complete control of the league.

If that happens we should just trade Embiid too I mean what is the point.

[Mik317]

the smart move would be calling his bluff and letting this get ugly.

But that comes with too many downsides and the fact that Maxey is signed to that clown throws a wrench in it.

Just trade the loser and keep it moving.

[FireMorey]

What if he plays into his flaws? Takes less shots? Looks more timid around the rim? Makes it look like the playoff weren't a fluke?

Feels risky to me

Yup, which is why I agree he shouldn't play at all. I've always had the stance that not trading him before the season starts would be detrimental to his value. There are a lot here who wanted to wait it out. This is the kind of stuff that happens when you wait it up, with a POS agent like Rich Paul. Also, the Sixers fans would eat Ben alive, if he did play, and he would looks like a G league level player. He doesn't have the mental fortitude to play through a situation like this. At this point I agree, Doc overplayed his hand. I don't blame him for the Harden trade though, that was Fertida all the way. In the end, the Sixers got **** when we traded Jimmy and sided with primadona Ben. If Ben was traded then or even last year, we would have gotten an all-star level player easily. At this point, get the best haul you can, and maybe trade Tobias to make the team fit better. Morey needs to do everything he can to trade Tobias for CJ, and then get another haul from Ben, even if it's young players and picks. Maximize value.

Yeah Sixers have had to endure some terrible decisions since they got Simmons and Embiid.

I actually think Simmons, Embiid and Butler would have a championship already. Paying Harris over Butler was a massive error.

A big reason was because of Ben Simmons. Simmons didn't want to play with Butler and vice versa.

A contingent of fans lived in this Ben Simmons bubble and it was intolerable and now that the bubble burst, outrage has seeped out. Which is typically always the case not just in sports, but in life. Those who believe falsities the longest are always those who feel the most betrayed once reality hits.

I'm not even talking about this board, I'm talking about in general. So many Sixers fans who even uttered the simple reality that Ben Simmons' inability to shoot is a hindrance, were tarred and feathered. And the fact that he's hard to build around. This wasn't rocket science. Every player that was rumored to be available, you had to go "...but will he fit with Ben?" first. Not normal and totally untenable to construct a roster that way. They need to get guys at other positions to compensate for areas that a primary ball handler is supposed to do, simply cannot and will not.

And so many snotty fans out there would be condescending with the "If you can't appreciate Ben Simmons' rebounding and passing, you don't know basketball." And my favorite "He can be elite and never shoot." Ummm... no. And anyone who took possessions away from him as a primary ball handler, he'd pout like a child, just like he did with Butler. Because it was emasculating having to stand in the corner like a fool never touching the ball against Toronto, as Butler was de facto point guard, because once again in a playoff series, Simmons was rendered useless.

Dude is so overrated, always has been, and they waited way too long to get value for him, and they're going to pay for it dearly.