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ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Arsenal wrote:I wonder if we can finally get something for Trash-bias ala the Lakers’ Westbrook trade.
That's what I'm hoping for. Lakers turned Westbrook into Jared Vanderbilt and D'Lo! Surely we can do something similar.
Mik317 wrote:this is a city full of front runners.
they will be in the stands cheering on as if they aren't the same ones saying blow it up and yet be the same ones mad if they do blow it up
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:I think the first line of hope I have is that we try and model this team after the Spurs teams that won all those rings.
mjkvol wrote:ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:I think the first line of hope I have is that we try and model this team after the Spurs teams that won all those rings.
No offense, but I stopped reading right there. The thing that primarily made the Spurs the Spurs was the greatest head coach the league has ever seen, someone who had the ability to win five titles over a 15 year period, meaning he changed and adjusted as the league did, and had a plan that players bought into. He had stars that were only about winning, and he maximized role players and made a couple into minor stars.
We have about as far from that as it is imaginable. We have a coach without a coherent plan, one who scapegoats players and never accepts blame. The Spurs played a beautiful brand of team basketball that was a pleasure to watch, while Rivers' teams are too often a herky-jerky mess. Joel Embiid is a great player, but Tim Duncan had a maturity and discipline about his game that it's hard to imagine Joel ever possessing, or even wanting to possess.
This group is a shambles at the moment, and before trying to emulate one of the great organizations in NBA history we need to get the ship upright. Baby steps.
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:I think the first line of hope I have is that we try and model this team after the Spurs teams that won all those rings. Not necessarily to the exact way, but with a similar approach in mind. I think Embiid really needs to take some notes from Tim Duncan and how he did things during his Spurs days. Not only is it going to expand his career, but it's going to settle him down. People have compared Maxey to Tony Parker many many times and I see the comps. The thing with Maxey is that he's ascending...He's going to get better and better as time goes on. I think we really just need to retool around Embiid and Maxey and see what happens before we go into a full on rebuild. If we can let Harden go and get some sort of compensation in return for him then I'd be all for it. But while Embiid and Maxey are here, I think we really need to take a long hard look at the blueprint of San Antonio's success all those years. Morey needs to make smart decisions this summer. It'd be great to end up with another addition as impactful as Melton was for us. It would also be great if he could somehow swing a Tobias Harris trade with a team looking for future cap space or to rebuild.
the_process wrote:mjkvol wrote:All this 'trade Embiid' talk is beyond foolish. Guys, this is a business first and foremost, and Embiid is a superstar and face of the franchise coming off an MVP season. His presence spells ticket and merchandise sales. Players like Embiid aren't traded unless they demand to be. So can we move on from pure fantasy, please?
Is he a superstar though?
MVP aside… he got killed today. Killed. I realize the entire team was petrified to shoot. But he got owned. Superstars do not get owned.
They do not really have a way forward other than the definition of insanity, trying the sane thing over again hoping for different results. Unless someone is gifting them a star for Maxey, Harris, and a 1st. Also we’ve seen enough to know that a Harden-Maxey backcourt will not work. Morey is not up for this, and we know this by what he got for Ben Simmons. It wasn’t that he didn’t win that trade, because he did, but he did so with no forethought as to what the team looked like after.
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Where do we go from here? Do we rebuild? Do we make trades? What do we need to do this offseason to get past Boston, Milwaukee, and Miami?
I fully expect a barrage of irrational hot takes and overreactions over the next week or two. I myself have about thirty of them circling my brain right now as I write this out.
I don't think there's a simple fix with this team as some of the issues are due to the mental makeup of our stars, others are due to lack of coaching, and some of it is just a devoid of talent that provide the right fit for this roster.
I'm going to get right to the point with some individuals.
James Harden...Do we want him back? There's a big part of me that does want him back and there's another part of me that is praying that he opts out. If that turned out to be the case, how would we even be able to salvage anything from him leaving? I personally think we're stuck with each other. Nobody is going to pay him superstar money with how quickly his legs are going and we aren't going to find any sort of viable replacement for him should he opt out. I mean...How likely would a sign and trade be? Not very, and Houston would be stupid to give up Jalen Green or Jabari Smith in return for James Harden. Unfortunately I think he comes back next season. I would love to hear solutions on how to deal with him and this situation though.
Tobias Harris...I've finally seen enough. I've supported him and stuck by him his entire time in Philly. Next year he's going to be playing on the last year of his contract. I would love to see him moved in the summer, but I think he'd be more of a deadline/ in season move once teams start to figure out if they're competing and if they're rebuilding. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any current suitors for him that are clearly rebuilding for the future. Toronto maybe? Chicago? Does Portland pull the plug and finally deal Dame? Could we get Wiggins for him? I don't know....I do know I've seen enough of him though.
Doc....Is he gone? I've backed him too the entire time, but he did nothing to help our cause today. He's also continued to prove himself in the playoffs by coming up short in close out games over and over again. I think I'm done after today. I can admit that. Getting whooped like this is inexcusable and he deserves the blame. The question then becomes who do we replace him with? Does coach Pringles walk through that door? Personally I think we should poach Sam Cassell away from him and keep it in house. That wont happen though.
In short, this is where we are currently at. A 2nd round fail until proven otherwise. What's the trajectory of this team? Are will still trending upwards or have we peaked? We're we good enough to win it all this year? I think we were, but we also knew we were going to have to go through Boston in order to do so.
What are the positives and Negatives?
For one, we have two incredible building blocks in Joel Embiid and Tyrese Maxey. I love what D'anthony Melton did for us this year, I'm very excited about Jaden Springer next season, I like what Paul Reed has been able to do, I think we need to resign Jalen McDaniels. Obviously we're stuck with Tucker and I don't really mind that.
Keep Embiid, Maxey, Melton, Springer, McDaniels, Tucker, Reed. That's seven players, seven pieces to build around. That's what I've currently got.
Negatives, I think we need to do something with Tobias Harris and the remaining year of his contract, I think a decision needs to be made on Rivers, and I think Harden should opt out and move on. I'm personally hoping we can acquire a draft pick as well. I think this team needs an injection of youth. Maybe Springer provides that? But we also need to retool around Embiid if we are in fact keeping him.
mjkvol wrote:the_process wrote:mjkvol wrote:All this 'trade Embiid' talk is beyond foolish. Guys, this is a business first and foremost, and Embiid is a superstar and face of the franchise coming off an MVP season. His presence spells ticket and merchandise sales. Players like Embiid aren't traded unless they demand to be. So can we move on from pure fantasy, please?
Is he a superstar though?
MVP aside… he got killed today. Killed. I realize the entire team was petrified to shoot. But he got owned. Superstars do not get owned.
They do not really have a way forward other than the definition of insanity, trying the sane thing over again hoping for different results. Unless someone is gifting them a star for Maxey, Harris, and a 1st. Also we’ve seen enough to know that a Harden-Maxey backcourt will not work. Morey is not up for this, and we know this by what he got for Ben Simmons. It wasn’t that he didn’t win that trade, because he did, but he did so with no forethought as to what the team looked like after.
I'm not disagreeing from a pure basketball standpoint because an argument can be made there. When you're talking about players of Embiid's stature, the business side of it comes into play before the basketball side even has a chance to consider it.
Embiid is a top 15 jersey seller, he is a homegrown face of the franchise coming off an MVP season. No doubt he was awful today, but you don't make decisions like this off of one game. The fact is that Embiid is going nowhere. what we should all be concerned about first and foremost is that Glenn does go somewhere far from here.
Iverson Armband wrote:Embiid is not being traded.
mjkvol wrote:Iverson Armband wrote:Embiid is not being traded.
Fixed.
Iverson Armband wrote:mjkvol wrote:Iverson Armband wrote:Embiid is not being traded.
Fixed.
Not exploring it would be malpractice, period.
phiphan wrote:Imagine trading Embiid and Rivers coaching “Process 2.0.” Lol.
Jay555 wrote:mjkvol wrote:ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:I think the first line of hope I have is that we try and model this team after the Spurs teams that won all those rings.
No offense, but I stopped reading right there. The thing that primarily made the Spurs the Spurs was the greatest head coach the league has ever seen, someone who had the ability to win five titles over a 15 year period, meaning he changed and adjusted as the league did, and had a plan that players bought into. He had stars that were only about winning, and he maximized role players and made a couple into minor stars.
We have about as far from that as it is imaginable. We have a coach without a coherent plan, one who scapegoats players and never accepts blame. The Spurs played a beautiful brand of team basketball that was a pleasure to watch, while Rivers' teams are too often a herky-jerky mess. Joel Embiid is a great player, but Tim Duncan had a maturity and discipline about his game that it's hard to imagine Joel ever possessing, or even wanting to possess.
This group is a shambles at the moment, and before trying to emulate one of the great organizations in NBA history we need to get the ship upright. Baby steps.
Basically what I wanted to say but much better phrased.
