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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#181 » by Foshan » Tue Jun 11, 2024 4:03 am

Covi_Marsh wrote:According to Keith Smith we will have 61.3 mil cap space. That includes Embiid 51.4 mil, council iv 1.9 mil, Maxey 13 mil and 1st round pick 4 mi. I’m going keep Reed 7.7 on the books to trade. So that puts us at 53.6 mil to spend.

Sign Paul George 4 yr max. 49.35 that leaves us at 4.25 mil.

Trade Reed and a 2nd to Brooklyn for Dorian Finney-Smith.
That puts us at -2.95, we’re over the cap.

Correct me if I’m wrong but I’ve read that a team below the 1st apron can bring in salary over 7.5 as long as the incoming salary is outgoing salary plus $7.5MM. So essentially if we draft a player and trade him his 4 mil + 7.5 mil would allow us to bring in up to 11.5 mil.

With that said I’m drafting a player of Chicago bulls choosing and trading him there for Alex Caruso expiring 9.89 mil.

Re-sign Oubre with the MLE.
Vet mins contract offers to Cam Payne, Nic Batum, and Andre Drummond. And fill out the other roster spots to fill the team.

PG Tyrese Maxey / Cam Payne
SG Alex Caruso / Kelly Oubre
SF Paul George / Ricky Council
PF Dorian Finney Smith / Nic Batum
C Joel Embiid / Andre Drummond

While i'm not a huge fan of going the PG route or trading this year's first, I could understand and be okay with this being the 'win now' route. Good work, I'll assume your money is right :)

I would hope we could look to add some young guys at min deals to fill out our third string. I think Charles Bassey got waived, I'd like to give him another look cheap, I'd hope we could nab at least one 'prove it' type of deal (like Oubre from this year)
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#182 » by Covi_Marsh » Tue Jun 11, 2024 4:11 am

FireMorey wrote:Alex Caruso might be my most hated player in the NBA. Well, that will always be Horford, but I can't stand Caruso. It's more the discourse around Caruso than Caruso himself. If he never played for the Lakers, the hype around him would be about 75% less than it is now. Everyone who plays on the Lakers gets overhyped. It's the only reason Austin Reaves is even a thing. He can't play and if he was on the Hornets no one would know he existed.

Caruso is a solid role player. He can help teams. But he's not a guy you give up good draft capital for and he's not a guy you pay big money to. He's a "glue guy" when he plays on team with superstars who contrarians who want to sound smart overhype. Because it's too obvious to credit the stars for the success, some analytics dork will write a bunch of articles about how instrumental role player Alex Caruso is the "real key." I'd take him for a couple 2nd rounders, but trading away anything real for him, no thanks. Give me someone who can space the floor and/or put the ball in the basket at a high volume.

I don't like gritty player types. They're fun when they're on someone else's team, but when they're on your team the novelty wears thin pretty quickly.


Lol bro Marcus Smart went for two 1sts, Jrue Holiday went for two 1sts, Derrick White a 1st and pick swap, DeAnthony cost us a 1st. But u want an all defensive player for a couple 2nds. :lol: Think a 1st in a weak draft getting you an elite scorer?
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#183 » by 76ciology » Tue Jun 11, 2024 6:03 am

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76ciology wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:The game used to be organized around the paint and it no longer is -- it's organized around the perimeter and the three-point shot. This is common knowledge and it fundamentally alters the role of the center in the present day game. Consequently the tall kids running around in middle school and high school gyms are practicing three-pointers, not post-up moves. And the tall players in the NBA are doing the same thing.


If the referees do not allow physicality, the game opens up and scoring becomes easier for everyone. Perimeter players, in particular, can score more efficiently because their speed often leaves defenders out of position, leading to more free throws. Additionally, smaller players are naturally better shooters, benefiting further from a less physical game.

Conversely, when referees permit physicality, scoring becomes more difficult for everyone. The best way to score under these conditions is by getting into the paint through post-ups. In this scenario, having size becomes crucial, as it is often the only way to get a shot off in that congested area.

I believe a balance of both is necessary due to shooting variance and the fact that referees officiate games differently from the start of the regular season to Game 7 of the finals, and from the first second of the game to the last. This variability in officiating highlights the importance of adapting to different levels of physicality and maintaining versatility in both offensive and defensive strategies.

The Celtics have a balanced approach, combining strong three-point shooting with the ability to exploit weak defenders. Players like Doncic and Kyrie can be targeted defensively, and smaller defenders are vulnerable to Porzingis' post-up game. This dual-threat strategy makes the Celtics a versatile and formidable team on offense.

All that may be true, but does that mean you pay someone like Embiid what the Sixers do and make him the centerpiece of your team, or do you target someone like Porzingis and pay him roughly $20M fewer a year than Embiid so you can allocate greater salary cap money to your perimeter/dribble-drive players?

We can go back to another football analogy -- in winter bad weather games late in the season the run game becomes more important than it usually is, and the team with the better run game very often wins those kinds of games. But does that mean you pay a running back an exorbitant amount and target run blocking offensive linemen, at the expense of being able to pay a QB big and adequately pass blocking for him? Does it also mean you revolve your offense around the run game in anticipation of such games?


Building a team revolves around making the best of the hand you're dealt. You can't simply switch strategies each time a different team wins the championship. For example, when the Nuggets won, you might be tempted to build like the Nuggets, and when the Celtics are the flavor of the year, you might want to build like the Celtics. However, if you examine the Celtics and Nuggets, you'll see that both teams are built around the centerpiece players they have. Jokic, who initially was a poor defender, is supported by Aaron Gordon. Since Jokic can create plays and distribute the ball, he is surrounded by scorers. On the other hand, Tatum is not always reliable as the main star, so the Celtics built a team that doesn't need to rely solely on him as the alpha.

The key is to have a realistic understanding of what Embiid brings to the team. He can't anchor both ends of the court and lacks durability, which has consistently been our issue. We can't keep hoping that Embiid just needs one healthy playoff run.

Given the choice, I wouldn't build around Embiid. In fact, I don't think Maxey is that exceptional either. However, both players are very talented and they are what we have to work with. Our strategy should focus on masking their weaknesses and creating an environment where they can excel.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#184 » by mjkvol » Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:13 am

Covi_Marsh wrote:According to Keith Smith we will have 61.3 mil cap space. That includes Embiid 51.4 mil, council iv 1.9 mil, Maxey 13 mil and 1st round pick 4 mi. I’m going keep Reed 7.7 on the books to trade. So that puts us at 53.6 mil to spend.

Sign Paul George 4 yr max. 49.35 that leaves us at 4.25 mil.

Trade Reed and a 2nd to Brooklyn for Dorian Finney-Smith.
That puts us at -2.95, we’re over the cap.

Correct me if I’m wrong but I’ve read that a team below the 1st apron can bring in salary over 7.5 as long as the incoming salary is outgoing salary plus $7.5MM. So essentially if we draft a player and trade him his 4 mil + 7.5 mil would allow us to bring in up to 11.5 mil.

With that said I’m drafting a player of Chicago bulls choosing and trading him there for Alex Caruso expiring 9.89 mil.

Re-sign Oubre with the MLE.
Vet mins contract offers to Cam Payne, Nic Batum, and Andre Drummond. And fill out the other roster spots to fill the team.

PG Tyrese Maxey / Cam Payne
SG Alex Caruso / Kelly Oubre
SF Paul George / Ricky Council
PF Dorian Finney Smith / Nic Batum
C Joel Embiid / Andre Drummond


I have been an outspoken opponent of the idea of max signing any aging veteran, but if the Paul George route ended up with a group like this, it would be hard to argue. And despite the lack of youth, you held on to our future 1st's, so the cupboard isn't bare. Nice work.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#185 » by Zumramania » Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:38 pm

Covi_Marsh wrote:According to Keith Smith we will have 61.3 mil cap space. That includes Embiid 51.4 mil, council iv 1.9 mil, Maxey 13 mil and 1st round pick 4 mi. I’m going keep Reed 7.7 on the books to trade. So that puts us at 53.6 mil to spend.

Sign Paul George 4 yr max. 49.35 that leaves us at 4.25 mil.

Trade Reed and a 2nd to Brooklyn for Dorian Finney-Smith.
That puts us at -2.95, we’re over the cap.

Correct me if I’m wrong but I’ve read that a team below the 1st apron can bring in salary over 7.5 as long as the incoming salary is outgoing salary plus $7.5MM. So essentially if we draft a player and trade him his 4 mil + 7.5 mil would allow us to bring in up to 11.5 mil.

With that said I’m drafting a player of Chicago bulls choosing and trading him there for Alex Caruso expiring 9.89 mil.

Re-sign Oubre with the MLE.
Vet mins contract offers to Cam Payne, Nic Batum, and Andre Drummond. And fill out the other roster spots to fill the team.

PG Tyrese Maxey / Cam Payne
SG Alex Caruso / Kelly Oubre
SF Paul George / Ricky Council
PF Dorian Finney Smith / Nic Batum
C Joel Embiid / Andre Drummond


This is a really nice team, great defense, great offense, RCIV could become that x factor off the bench, and I see Alex Caruso in a leader role here as well - he could set the tone for the effort and if others see how he plays defense, they could buy in as well.

The only concern I have is if PG wants to be more than a 3rd string and takes the ball out of Maxey's hands only to take and miss some difficult shots in the playoffs. But we got Nurse so it should be ok I guess.

In any case, it is probably not realistic that PG does not resign with the Clippers. And Caruso could be more expensive but I think his role is crucial here.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#186 » by Ferry Avenue » Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:43 pm

76ciology wrote:
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If the referees do not allow physicality, the game opens up and scoring becomes easier for everyone. Perimeter players, in particular, can score more efficiently because their speed often leaves defenders out of position, leading to more free throws. Additionally, smaller players are naturally better shooters, benefiting further from a less physical game.

Conversely, when referees permit physicality, scoring becomes more difficult for everyone. The best way to score under these conditions is by getting into the paint through post-ups. In this scenario, having size becomes crucial, as it is often the only way to get a shot off in that congested area.

I believe a balance of both is necessary due to shooting variance and the fact that referees officiate games differently from the start of the regular season to Game 7 of the finals, and from the first second of the game to the last. This variability in officiating highlights the importance of adapting to different levels of physicality and maintaining versatility in both offensive and defensive strategies.

The Celtics have a balanced approach, combining strong three-point shooting with the ability to exploit weak defenders. Players like Doncic and Kyrie can be targeted defensively, and smaller defenders are vulnerable to Porzingis' post-up game. This dual-threat strategy makes the Celtics a versatile and formidable team on offense.

All that may be true, but does that mean you pay someone like Embiid what the Sixers do and make him the centerpiece of your team, or do you target someone like Porzingis and pay him roughly $20M fewer a year than Embiid so you can allocate greater salary cap money to your perimeter/dribble-drive players?

We can go back to another football analogy -- in winter bad weather games late in the season the run game becomes more important than it usually is, and the team with the better run game very often wins those kinds of games. But does that mean you pay a running back an exorbitant amount and target run blocking offensive linemen, at the expense of being able to pay a QB big and adequately pass blocking for him? Does it also mean you revolve your offense around the run game in anticipation of such games?


Building a team revolves around making the best of the hand you're dealt. You can't simply switch strategies each time a different team wins the championship. For example, when the Nuggets won, you might be tempted to build like the Nuggets, and when the Celtics are the flavor of the year, you might want to build like the Celtics. However, if you examine the Celtics and Nuggets, you'll see that both teams are built around the centerpiece players they have. Jokic, who initially was a poor defender, is supported by Aaron Gordon. Since Jokic can create plays and distribute the ball, he is surrounded by scorers. On the other hand, Tatum is not always reliable as the main star, so the Celtics built a team that doesn't need to rely solely on him as the alpha.

The key is to have a realistic understanding of what Embiid brings to the team. He can't anchor both ends of the court and lacks durability, which has consistently been our issue. We can't keep hoping that Embiid just needs one healthy playoff run.

Given the choice, I wouldn't build around Embiid. In fact, I don't think Maxey is that exceptional either. However, both players are very talented and they are what we have to work with. Our strategy should focus on masking their weaknesses and creating an environment where they can excel.

If you could put together the ideal surrounding pieces alongside Embiid and Maxey -- and fit them under the cap -- what would that look like and what would be your rationale for it?
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#187 » by Arsenal » Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:26 pm

I too like that PG plan but a lot of these plans hinge on Batum coming back for vet min. I don't see that happening. We'll prob need to pay at least $7m for him, taking away money for another piece. Otherwise for vet min I bet he just goes back to the west coast.

Maybe Saric could be the fallback vet min PF option.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#188 » by the_process » Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:45 pm

Can the Sixers decide to guarantee Reed's salary and trade him after using their cap space? It seems illegal but I'm not sure and a cursory search turned up nothing.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#189 » by FireMorey » Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:54 pm

Covi_Marsh wrote:
FireMorey wrote:Alex Caruso might be my most hated player in the NBA. Well, that will always be Horford, but I can't stand Caruso. It's more the discourse around Caruso than Caruso himself. If he never played for the Lakers, the hype around him would be about 75% less than it is now. Everyone who plays on the Lakers gets overhyped. It's the only reason Austin Reaves is even a thing. He can't play and if he was on the Hornets no one would know he existed.

Caruso is a solid role player. He can help teams. But he's not a guy you give up good draft capital for and he's not a guy you pay big money to. He's a "glue guy" when he plays on team with superstars who contrarians who want to sound smart overhype. Because it's too obvious to credit the stars for the success, some analytics dork will write a bunch of articles about how instrumental role player Alex Caruso is the "real key." I'd take him for a couple 2nd rounders, but trading away anything real for him, no thanks. Give me someone who can space the floor and/or put the ball in the basket at a high volume.

I don't like gritty player types. They're fun when they're on someone else's team, but when they're on your team the novelty wears thin pretty quickly.


Lol bro Marcus Smart went for two 1sts, Jrue Holiday went for two 1sts, Derrick White a 1st and pick swap, DeAnthony cost us a 1st. But u want an all defensive player for a couple 2nds. :lol: Think a 1st in a weak draft getting you an elite scorer?


I didn't say that's what he will go for. I said that's the most I'd trade for him. I don't want Caruso because he's going to go for way more than he's worth.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#190 » by ProcessDoctor » Tue Jun 11, 2024 3:37 pm

FireMorey wrote:
Covi_Marsh wrote:
FireMorey wrote:Alex Caruso might be my most hated player in the NBA. Well, that will always be Horford, but I can't stand Caruso. It's more the discourse around Caruso than Caruso himself. If he never played for the Lakers, the hype around him would be about 75% less than it is now. Everyone who plays on the Lakers gets overhyped. It's the only reason Austin Reaves is even a thing. He can't play and if he was on the Hornets no one would know he existed.

Caruso is a solid role player. He can help teams. But he's not a guy you give up good draft capital for and he's not a guy you pay big money to. He's a "glue guy" when he plays on team with superstars who contrarians who want to sound smart overhype. Because it's too obvious to credit the stars for the success, some analytics dork will write a bunch of articles about how instrumental role player Alex Caruso is the "real key." I'd take him for a couple 2nd rounders, but trading away anything real for him, no thanks. Give me someone who can space the floor and/or put the ball in the basket at a high volume.

I don't like gritty player types. They're fun when they're on someone else's team, but when they're on your team the novelty wears thin pretty quickly.


Lol bro Marcus Smart went for two 1sts, Jrue Holiday went for two 1sts, Derrick White a 1st and pick swap, DeAnthony cost us a 1st. But u want an all defensive player for a couple 2nds. :lol: Think a 1st in a weak draft getting you an elite scorer?


I didn't say that's what he will go for. I said that's the most I'd trade for him. I don't want Caruso because he's going to go for way more than he's worth.


Yea the Caruso thing is tough because not only will we have to give up pick(s), but also extend him this offseason for money that will probably be an overpay. If he scored more, then I could argue it, but yea targeting him makes me hesitant.

I'd honestly rather re-sign Melton for the same amount of money depending on what 3rd star/role players route we go.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#191 » by youngcrev » Tue Jun 11, 2024 4:34 pm

Covi_Marsh wrote:According to Keith Smith we will have 61.3 mil cap space. That includes Embiid 51.4 mil, council iv 1.9 mil, Maxey 13 mil and 1st round pick 4 mi. I’m going keep Reed 7.7 on the books to trade. So that puts us at 53.6 mil to spend.

Sign Paul George 4 yr max. 49.35 that leaves us at 4.25 mil.

Trade Reed and a 2nd to Brooklyn for Dorian Finney-Smith.
That puts us at -2.95, we’re over the cap.

Correct me if I’m wrong but I’ve read that a team below the 1st apron can bring in salary over 7.5 as long as the incoming salary is outgoing salary plus $7.5MM. So essentially if we draft a player and trade him his 4 mil + 7.5 mil would allow us to bring in up to 11.5 mil.

With that said I’m drafting a player of Chicago bulls choosing and trading him there for Alex Caruso expiring 9.89 mil.

Re-sign Oubre with the MLE.
Vet mins contract offers to Cam Payne, Nic Batum, and Andre Drummond. And fill out the other roster spots to fill the team.

PG Tyrese Maxey / Cam Payne
SG Alex Caruso / Kelly Oubre
SF Paul George / Ricky Council
PF Dorian Finney Smith / Nic Batum
C Joel Embiid / Andre Drummond


My knee jerk reaction was that neither of those trades work (still don't think Caruso one would), but great catch on the new rule. It makes a lot of this talk of "keeping" Paul Reed make a lot more sense. I imagine sequencing would matter a ton here, as you'd have to make the move before giving Maxey his extension due to needing to be under the apron.
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Post#192 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Tue Jun 11, 2024 4:47 pm

Swap out Nic Batum for a 4 that can play with Embiid and fill in as a center and that team would be awesome. Jalen Smith in place of Batum. Drummond is a nice back up but he's unplayable in the postseason.
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Post#193 » by sixers4real » Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:25 pm

I have one wish for this off-season:

Let Morey do his job and let us be 50/50 in Vegas odds to win the East.
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Post#194 » by 76ciology » Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:27 pm

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Ferry Avenue wrote:All that may be true, but does that mean you pay someone like Embiid what the Sixers do and make him the centerpiece of your team, or do you target someone like Porzingis and pay him roughly $20M fewer a year than Embiid so you can allocate greater salary cap money to your perimeter/dribble-drive players?

We can go back to another football analogy -- in winter bad weather games late in the season the run game becomes more important than it usually is, and the team with the better run game very often wins those kinds of games. But does that mean you pay a running back an exorbitant amount and target run blocking offensive linemen, at the expense of being able to pay a QB big and adequately pass blocking for him? Does it also mean you revolve your offense around the run game in anticipation of such games?


Building a team revolves around making the best of the hand you're dealt. You can't simply switch strategies each time a different team wins the championship. For example, when the Nuggets won, you might be tempted to build like the Nuggets, and when the Celtics are the flavor of the year, you might want to build like the Celtics. However, if you examine the Celtics and Nuggets, you'll see that both teams are built around the centerpiece players they have. Jokic, who initially was a poor defender, is supported by Aaron Gordon. Since Jokic can create plays and distribute the ball, he is surrounded by scorers. On the other hand, Tatum is not always reliable as the main star, so the Celtics built a team that doesn't need to rely solely on him as the alpha.

The key is to have a realistic understanding of what Embiid brings to the team. He can't anchor both ends of the court and lacks durability, which has consistently been our issue. We can't keep hoping that Embiid just needs one healthy playoff run.

Given the choice, I wouldn't build around Embiid. In fact, I don't think Maxey is that exceptional either. However, both players are very talented and they are what we have to work with. Our strategy should focus on masking their weaknesses and creating an environment where they can excel.

If you could put together the ideal surrounding pieces alongside Embiid and Maxey -- and fit them under the cap -- what would that look like and what would be your rationale for it?


There are several ways to build around Embiid and Maxey, and I've discussed my ideas extensively in previous threads. I have also posted numerous trade scenarios in the trade thread.

What sets my idea apart is my focus on reducing Embiid’s defensive load by pairing him with high-level defensive players at the 3 and 4 positions. Additionally, I propose solving the non-Embiid minutes by allowing Maxey to play with someone who can run the two-man game with him.

My proposals range from using cap space and pick or picks to acquire Paul George and Alex Caruso, and then drafting a power forward like Filipowski, Ware or Holmes. Alternatively, a more realistic scenario could involve absorbing LaVine’s contract, trading up from the 16th to the 11th pick to draft a defensive wing like Cody Williams, and using the remaining cap space to sign Jalen Smith.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#195 » by youngcrev » Wed Jun 12, 2024 1:02 am

76ciology wrote:My proposals range from using cap space and pick or picks to acquire Paul George and Alex Caruso, and then drafting a power forward like Filipowski, Ware or Holmes. Alternatively, a more realistic scenario could involve absorbing LaVine’s contract, trading up from the 16th to the 11th pick to draft a defensive wing like Cody Williams, and using the remaining cap space to sign Jalen Smith.


Signing Paul George is a far more realistic scenario than Morey taking on LaVine
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Post#196 » by Negrodamus » Wed Jun 12, 2024 1:23 am

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Post#197 » by Kobblehead » Wed Jun 12, 2024 1:28 am

Imagine giving up a near lottery pick for 6.4 ppg in the playoffs.
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Post#198 » by Mik317 » Wed Jun 12, 2024 3:02 am

has to be a starter level player who fills a need and is not washed or near washed.

I think Caruso is a bit overrated but he does fit that

but still team needs some youth and upside and stop relying on late seconds and undrafted dudes to fill that...even if just to put in trades as sweeteners
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Post#199 » by Iverson Armband » Wed Jun 12, 2024 3:09 am

Good organizations aren’t scared of the draft. They embrace it. Good organizations realize there are good players in every part of just about any draft, and they trust that they will be the team to identify and select those players.

They did it once already with Maxey, trading for Caruso is so lazy.
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Post#200 » by NYSixersFan » Wed Jun 12, 2024 3:44 am

I like the players available at pick 16. I wouldn't trade it for a role player.

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