2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread Volume 2

[freshie2]

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Good article, I like Tjarks list the best, mainly because I think he has the two best prospects on top.

I would be pissed if the Sixers draft Isaac over Ball. Ball is a special distributor and he's shown he can hit the 3pt shot. While we have Simmons, passing on a guard like Ball for another forward would not make me happy.

I like Isaac, but I think you draft him only if Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Smith Jr. and Monk are off the board. Sixers need backcourt help way more than another forward.

You draft the player with the biggest star potential...Ball may have the bigest upside and has to be the pick if available (outside of Fultz if you think he's the bigger star).

[EBrandEra]

Good article, I like Tjarks list the best, mainly because I think he has the two best prospects on top.

I would be pissed if the Sixers draft Isaac over Ball. Ball is a special distributor and he's shown he can hit the 3pt shot. While we have Simmons, passing on a guard like Ball for another forward would not make me happy.

I like Isaac, but I think you draft him only if Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Smith Jr. and Monk are off the board. Sixers need backcourt help way more than another forward.

You draft the player with the biggest star potential...Ball may have the bigest upside and has to be the pick if available (outside of Fultz if you think he's the bigger star).

Totally agree. Ball's upside is very high. He already is a very good passer and decent 3pt shooter. He's a tall, long and bouncy PG. Have to take him over Isaac in my opinion. No doubt.

[Negrodamus]

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[Negrodamus]

Silva's effort is keeping USC in this game. My goodness.

[Negrodamus]

With Thornwell playing gassed due to a flu earlier this week, it might have to come down to a massive second half by Dozier.

Nigel Williams-Goss has looked great today.

[PLO]

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Good article, I like Tjarks list the best, mainly because I think he has the two best prospects on top.

I would be pissed if the Sixers draft Isaac over Ball. Ball is a special distributor and he's shown he can hit the 3pt shot. While we have Simmons, passing on a guard like Ball for another forward would not make me happy.

I like Isaac, but I think you draft him only if Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Smith Jr. and Monk are off the board. Sixers need backcourt help way more than another forward.

Yep, Brian Colangelo has basically already said he's going to draft for fit, which is fair enough. If in the unlikely scenario we have two picks in the top ten I would love to get Isaac with one of them, but that's basically a dreamland scenario. We're more likely to have one pick at 7 than two in the top 6.

I don't mind Ball for the 6ers because I think he fits well with what we have, I'm not that high on him as a prospect though and haven't been for months. If we don't have the no. 1 pick I wouldn't mind giving up quite a bit to somehow get Fultz - he's an outstanding prospect and clearly the best in this draft. Isaac I think will be the 2nd best player from this draft when all is said and done.

[PLO]

Good article, I like Tjarks list the best, mainly because I think he has the two best prospects on top.

I would be pissed if the Sixers draft Isaac over Ball. Ball is a special distributor and he's shown he can hit the 3pt shot. While we have Simmons, passing on a guard like Ball for another forward would not make me happy.

I like Isaac, but I think you draft him only if Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Smith Jr. and Monk are off the board. Sixers need backcourt help way more than another forward.

You draft the player with the biggest star potential...Ball may have the bigest upside and has to be the pick if available (outside of Fultz if you think he's the bigger star).

I'm not going to go over all the holes in Ball's game but I don't think his upside is high at all - great passer though, and would fit well with Brown's offensive philosophy and would be a good fit with Simmons and Embiid IMO.

[Negrodamus]

Jeez. Thornwell and Dozier turning it up in the face of getting blown out. 4 point game.

[Negrodamus]

PJ Dozier is going to play himself into the top ten if they win tonight. I talked about that earlier in this thread, but he's USC's PG at 6'7 with a possible 7'0 wingspan, 3.3 STL%, 22.9/12.9 AST%/TO%. He was shooting the lights out earlier in the year. 68% FG at the rim.

He's been more aggressive recently which makes him a much more alluring prospect.

[Negrodamus]

Pretty cool season for USC. They did what I thought SMU would do and make the FF against the odds. Those two teams have been the ones I've followed the most aside from UK.

That said, I had Gonzaga winning the whole thing, and I'm standing by it. When UNC wins, Gonzaga has the size to match UNC's size and NWG is simply better than Berry.

[Negrodamus]

Also want to point out that if you look at PJ Dozier and Brandon Roy, they have/had similar timelines, statistically-wise, in college. Dozier shoots more threes while Roy drove more at this point. And because of that metric, Roy had better TS%/EFG%.

They both are under the rim ball handlers that have carried the load for their teams. Just something to watch.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/brandon-roy-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/pj-dozier-1.html

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BONUS, PJ Dozier didn't have an ACL for an extended period of time. Can't injure your ACL if you don't have one to begin with

[Negrodamus]

Wow, blatant push in the back by Meeks for the O Reb at the end of that one. Not sure they are going to be able to push around Gonzaga as easily.

[Unbreakable99]

Wow, blatant push in the back by Meeks for the O Reb at the end of that one. Not sure they are going to be able to push around Gonzaga as easily.

There was no push off. The guy didn't do a good job boxing out.

[Negrodamus]

Wow, blatant push in the back by Meeks for the O Reb at the end of that one. Not sure they are going to be able to push around Gonzaga as easily.

There was no push off. The guy didn't do a good job boxing out.

The first set of free throws was a terrible box out. The Berry miss was pushing. Could have boxed out better, but Meeks is enormous, so he can move smaller guys easier.

[eagereyez]

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[Unbreakable99]

Wow, blatant push in the back by Meeks for the O Reb at the end of that one. Not sure they are going to be able to push around Gonzaga as easily.

There was no push off. The guy didn't do a good job boxing out.

The first set of free throws was a terrible box out. The Berry miss was pushing. Could have boxed out better, but Meeks is enormous, so he can move smaller guys easier.

It wasn't a push off though. Meeks did a great job rebounding. Bell did a poor job.

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[Negrodamus]

There was no push off. The guy didn't do a good job boxing out.

The first set of free throws was a terrible box out. The Berry miss was pushing. Could have boxed out better, but Meeks is enormous, so he can move smaller guys easier.

It wasn't a push off though. Meeks did a great job rebounding. Bell did a poor job.

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I mean, it wasn't a push off in the traditional sense of using his hands to push off, but he did throw his weight into him and basically went over the back. It was a terrible box out, but that play gets called a foul all the time. But it was the end of the game, so they'll never call that (on North Carolina).

[Negrodamus]

I'm getting back on board with Dozier, and he's moving in the top ten for my big board for the Sixers.

If his 6'7 height and 7'0 wingspan check out at the combine, I think he's a perfect wing for us. His form on his shot looks great, so I think he can become a second ball handler, a catch and shoot guy, a lockdown defender.

I honestly think our shooting coaches could make him a knockdown 3pt shooter.

[Kolkmania]

PJ Dozier is so inefficient. Has shot ~200 three pointers at South Carolina, making 27.7%, while 90% of his makes are assisted. Also a 58% FT shooter with a 200 FTA sample size.

His size and wingspan look fantastic, but skills matter as well and he's simply not there yet. Would I accept a late 1st round/2nd round flyer on Dozier, sure. Drafting him in the lottery would be a huge mistake imo.

[Kolkmania]

Watched the McDonald's All-American game and will monitor the Nike Hoop Summit these days. Mozgov and Deng prevents the Lakers to sign a big FA this offseason and a rookie won't improve the team to a 30-win team. I might even prefer the Lakers' pick not conveying. While the 2018 draft is probably less deep (depending on which guys will declare this year), the top of the draft has a higher ceiling.

Mohamed Bamba is a legit freak with a 9'6'' wingspan and I like that he combines that with lateral quickness and a very bright mind. He attended a analytics conference to ask Daryl Morey about P&R coverage. Kid knows what's important in the modern NBA and focuses on rim protection, range and lateral quickness.
I'm not very big on DeAndre Ayton, but Michael Porter Jr and Luka Doncic are also very impressive.