Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[PhilasFinest]

If that were to happen and we re-sign Harris and Redick-- Where would that leave us in terms of remaining cap room? Would we have any $ beyond the MLE?

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There would be no room. But so what? You'd have your top 6 and you'd still have your exceptions.

Simmons/Gordon/Harris/Tucker/Embiid with Redick as a 6th man. Who will be our closer in that lineup? Nothing good will come out from relying on Embiid in clutch. That's not a contender. So in that case I would demand 22,24 unprotected and 23 swap or let Jimmy go to team with cap space.

If you cant rely on 1 of those getting you a basket in a close game, you have done terribly wrong and need to re-asses the team.

Embiid/Harris would be your closers offensively...both on max deals and are your best scorers.
Redick has hit a ton of big shots in his career....Gordon can not be left open. You hope Simmons grows as a scorer/shooter.

If you can not score a basket with that group as your top 6, your coaching blows or you need to re-asses your roster building.

[Kobblehead]

We might not have a full-time closer, but Gordon and Harris can both create shots. Depending on who's hot and who has the more exploitable matchup will dictate our go-to ball handler down the stretch.

[LloydFree]

[quote="PhilasFinest"][quote="cool93"]

Simmons/Gordon/Harris/Tucker/Embiid with Redick as a 6th man. Who will be our closer in that lineup? Nothing good will come out from relying on Embiid in clutch. That's not a contender. So in that case I would demand 22,24 unprotected and 23 swap or let Jimmy go to team with cap space.[/quote]

If you cant rely on 1 of those getting you a basket in a close game, you have done terribly wrong and need to re-asses the team.

Embiid/Harris would be your closers offensively...both on max deals and are your best scorers.
Redick has hit a ton of big shots in his career....Gordon can not be left open. You hope Simmons grows as a scorer/shooter.

If you can not score a basket with that group as your top 6, your coaching blows or you need to re-asses your roster building.[/quote]

Exactly. People underestimate Tobias Harris, because of how underutilized both he and Butler were last year. Tobias Harris is a pick-n-roll savant, but fans didn't see it because they had to use Jimmy in those actions in order to keep him involved. If you can't figure out how to get a shot up with Harris, Gordon and Embiid on the court together I don't know what to tell you.

[hookshot199]

PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon, a 1st in '20 and "22 and this is a win for the 76ers.

Hell yeah, I'd take that deal.

I think Capella is a valuable player, just not for us. And his contract is perfect. We need
to find a third team to take him and send a similar prospect/different position - 25 years
of age, under contract for 4 years - to us.

Eric Gordon will help us this year. But he's unrestricted next June. And 2020 and 2022 first round picks
are crap if they're Houston's picks.

So who could the Capella replacement? I'm not a fan of Russell. I'm not against him either. He's the
right demographic, but might be too expensive.

And if Butler goes, I still want us to sign Tobias.

[fl311]

You can surround Ben with 4 other really good players but it wont matter if he still does not have a 15 ft jumper. You will have the same problems with spacing and playing 4 on 5.

If Ben comes out next season with a willingness to shoot more, then you can easily be a contender with a lineup of Embiid, Tucker, Gordon, Harris, Simmons.

Ben is the key to everything

[Kolkmania]

PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon, a 1st in '20 and "22 and this is a win for the 76ers.

How does the cap works if we can get this deal? I’m confused right now.
Why I ask is even if this trade is made, can we sign Russell or Brogdon AND then resign Harris Redick and Scott? Is that even possible?

No, not even close. Without resigning Harris and Scott (and Redick on 10m deal) we are more than 12 million on the cap. So about 35 million dollar short of Brogdon and 40 million short of Russell .

Also PJ Tucker and Eric Gordon do not make enough money to exceed the minimum outgoing salary for the Rockets in this trade. They have to offload 32.7/1.25 - 0.1 = 26m, Tucker and Gordon make a combined account 22m.

[mhunt]

PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon, a 1st in '20 and "22 and this is a win for the 76ers.

How does the cap works if we can get this deal? I’m confused right now.
Why I ask is even if this trade is made, can we sign Russell or Brogdon AND then resign Harris Redick and Scott? Is that even possible?

No, not even close. Without resigning Harris and Scott (and Redick on 10m deal) we are more than 12 million on the cap. So about 35 million dollar short of Brogdon and 40 million short of Russell .

Also PJ Tucker and Eric Gordon do not make enough money to exceed the minimum outgoing salary for the Rockets in this trade. They have to offload 32.7/1.25 - 0.1 = 26m, Tucker and Gordon make a combined account 22m.

adding nene gets it to $26.2 mill...but he'd have to be moved to a 3rd team.

[kingofthecourt67]

Simmons/Gordon/Harris/Tucker/Embiid with Redick as a 6th man. Who will be our closer in that lineup? Nothing good will come out from relying on Embiid in clutch. That's not a contender. So in that case I would demand 22,24 unprotected and 23 swap or let Jimmy go to team with cap space.

If you cant rely on 1 of those getting you a basket in a close game, you have done terribly wrong and need to re-asses the team.

Embiid/Harris would be your closers offensively...both on max deals and are your best scorers.
Redick has hit a ton of big shots in his career....Gordon can not be left open. You hope Simmons grows as a scorer/shooter.

If you can not score a basket with that group as your top 6, your coaching blows or you need to re-asses your roster building.

Exactly. People underestimate Tobias Harris, because of how underutilized both he and Butler were last year. Tobias Harris is a pick-n-roll savant, but fans didn't see it because they had to use Jimmy in those actions in order to keep him involved. If you can't figure out how to get a shot up with Harris, Gordon and Embiid on the court together I don't know what to tell you.

Crunch time iso situation, who was getting us buckets in the playoffs? Jimmy. None of those other guys have shown an ability to do it consistently. Sure these guys will score in the regular season, but none of them can stabilize the offense like Butler. And this from someone who is on board to do whatever it takes to keep Harris.

It’s crazy to me how undervalued Butler’s contribution is. Unless we can do replace him with someone who can consistently iso, we will almost certainly be a worst team next year. Pj Tucker, Gordon, and whatever other bits of Houston’s trash isn’t doing it.

[eyeatoma]

You can surround Ben with 4 other really good players but it wont matter if he still does not have a 15 ft jumper. You will have the same problems with spacing and playing 4 on 5.

If Ben comes out next season with a willingness to shoot more, then you can easily be a contender with a lineup of Embiid, Tucker, Gordon, Harris, Simmons.

Ben is the key to everything

Any hope over the offseason that his jumper will be an improvement next season? Has he actually been working on fixing the problems he's had the first 2 years in the league?

[smittybanton]

If you cant rely on 1 of those getting you a basket in a close game, you have done terribly wrong and need to re-asses the team.

Embiid/Harris would be your closers offensively...both on max deals and are your best scorers.
Redick has hit a ton of big shots in his career....Gordon can not be left open. You hope Simmons grows as a scorer/shooter.

If you can not score a basket with that group as your top 6, your coaching blows or you need to re-asses your roster building.

Exactly. People underestimate Tobias Harris, because of how underutilized both he and Butler were last year. Tobias Harris is a pick-n-roll savant, but fans didn't see it because they had to use Jimmy in those actions in order to keep him involved. If you can't figure out how to get a shot up with Harris, Gordon and Embiid on the court together I don't know what to tell you.

Crunch time iso situation, who was getting us buckets in the playoffs? Jimmy. None of those other guys have shown an ability to do it consistently. Sure these guys will score in the regular season, but none of them can stabilize the offense like Butler. And this from someone who is on board to do whatever it takes to keep Harris.

It’s crazy to me how undervalued Butler’s contribution is. Unless we can do replace him with someone who can consistently iso, we will almost certainly be a worst team next year. Pj Tucker, Gordon, and whatever other bits of Houston’s trash isn’t doing it.

Not banging the drum for him, but Eric Gordon was a monster during clutch time. Averaged 20pts/gm against the Warriors.

[smittybanton]

A source with knowledge of the Rockets’ plans tells Amick that Danny Green, Jeremy Lamb, Al-Farouq Aminu, DeAndre Jordan, Brook Lopez, and Kevon Looney are among the veteran free agents that have piqued the club’s interest.

General manager Daryl Morey has indicated that the Rockets would like to add a third star to complement James Harden and Chris Paul, whose supposedly “unsalvageable” relationship was referred to as “fake news” by P.J. Tucker within Amick’s story. Multiple reports have identified Butler as the team’s most likely target.

However, there are a number of roadblocks standing in the way of acquiring Butler — the Sixers would have to agree to a sign-and-trade, a third team would likely have to be involved due to Base Year Compensation rules, and Houston’s ability to fill out a roster around Harden, Paul, and Butler would be extremely limited due to a hard cap. And, of course, Butler would have to want to go to Houston badly enough to try to make it all work.

Back to life, back to reality:

Ben Simmons, JJ Redick, Jimmy Butler, Tobias Harris, Joel Embiid
Tomas Satoransky, Zhaire Smith, Mike Scott, Marcus Morris, Markeiff Morris
Vasilije Micic, Shake Milton, Matisse Thybulle, Marial Shayock, Jonah Bolden.

[ankle420breaker]

A source with knowledge of the Rockets’ plans tells Amick that Danny Green, Jeremy Lamb, Al-Farouq Aminu, DeAndre Jordan, Brook Lopez, and Kevon Looney are among the veteran free agents that have piqued the club’s interest.

General manager Daryl Morey has indicated that the Rockets would like to add a third star to complement James Harden and Chris Paul, whose supposedly “unsalvageable” relationship was referred to as “fake news” by P.J. Tucker within Amick’s story. Multiple reports have identified Butler as the team’s most likely target.

However, there are a number of roadblocks standing in the way of acquiring Butler — the Sixers would have to agree to a sign-and-trade, a third team would likely have to be involved due to Base Year Compensation rules, and Houston’s ability to fill out a roster around Harden, Paul, and Butler would be extremely limited due to a hard cap. And, of course, Butler would have to want to go to Houston badly enough to try to make it all work.

Back to life, back to reality:

Ben Simmons, JJ Redick, Jimmy Butler, Tobias Harris, Joel Embiid
Tomas Satoransky, Zhaire Smith, Mike Scott, Marcus Morris, Markeiff Morris
Vasilije Micic, Shake Milton, Matisse Thybulle, Marial Shayock, Jonah Bolden.

Where we getting the $ to acquire both Morris brothers and Satoransky on top of resigning Butler, Harris, and Redick?

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[Kobblehead]

We don't need to waste cap space on 10-15th roster spot guys. We have our own prospects to fill out the deep bench.

[AirP.]

PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon, a 1st in '20 and "22 and this is a win for the 76ers.

Hell yeah, I'd take that deal.

PJ Tucker, Gordon and 2 late 1st round picks is not good value, those 2 first round players may never be rotational players for a playoff team(which you'd hope to have with Embiid and Simmons).

Who is your late game playmaker in the playoffs in the next few years? Nobody is the answer until Simmons gets a GOOD jumper (and that isn't happening soon to a guy shooting 60% from the line) and with that, continued being knocked out in the playoffs in the 2nd or if you get lucky with the seeding... 3rd round.

This isn't who has the best assets wins, you still have to have certain roles being filled (which Boston found out this year) and more importantly you'd be missing possibly the #1 role for a contender, a late-game playmaker, with a strong roster that's fine in the regular season but it won't cut it in the playoffs.

Once again... YOU JUST TOOK THE EVENTUAL CHAMPS TO THE LAST SECOND IN GAME 7 WITH YOUR BEST PLAYER SICK MULTIPLE GAMES AND NOT MUCH CHEMISTRY BUILT BY THE STARTERS... Even if Leonard goes back to Toronto(which he shouldn't), Philly is probably the top team in the East if they run it back and make some adjustments on offense to make better use of their players. WHy would you not want to be one of the top 4 teams to win a championship the next 5 years (I'd hope in 3-5 years Simmons finally develops a solid jumper giving Philly 2-3 options at the end of games with Simmons, Butler or Harris).

[mhunt]

PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon, a 1st in '20 and "22 and this is a win for the 76ers.

Hell yeah, I'd take that deal.

PJ Tucker, Gordon and 2 late 1st round picks is not good value, those 2 first round players may never be rotational players for a playoff team(which you'd hope to have with Embiid and Simmons).

Who is your late game playmaker in the playoffs in the next few years? Nobody is the answer until Simmons gets a GOOD jumper (and that isn't happening soon to a guy shooting 60% from the line) and with that, continued being knocked out in the playoffs in the 2nd or if you get lucky with the seeding... 3rd round.

This isn't who has the best assets wins, you still have to have certain roles being filled (which Boston found out this year) and more importantly you'd be missing possibly the #1 role for a contender, a late-game playmaker, with a strong roster that's fine in the regular season but it won't cut it in the playoffs.

keep in mind that a butler s&t isn't the sixers' first choice. they reportedly want him back.
an s&t would only be after butler already told them he's leaving. they'd have to calculate whether gordon, tucker, & picks would be better than what they'd be able to get in free agency with the cap room jimmy leaving creates.
it's not like the sixers would be choosing to s&t butler rather than keep him.

[AirP.]

keep in mind that a butler s&t isn't the sixers' first choice. they reportedly want him back.
an s&t would only be after butler already told them he's leaving. they'd have to calculate whether gordon, tucker, & picks would be better than what they'd be able to get in free agency with the cap room jimmy leaving creates.
it's not like the sixers would be choosing to s&t butler rather than keep him.

If Butler is moved the 76ers HAVE to find someone who can be the playmaker at the end of playoff games if they want a legit shot at just getting to the finals, good luck in acquiring that without giving up Simmons or Embiid.

[mhunt]

keep in mind that a butler s&t isn't the sixers' first choice. they reportedly want him back.
an s&t would only be after butler already told them he's leaving. they'd have to calculate whether gordon, tucker, & picks would be better than what they'd be able to get in free agency with the cap room jimmy leaving creates.
it's not like the sixers would be choosing to s&t butler rather than keep him.

If Butler is moved the 76ers HAVE to find someone who can playmaker at the end of playoff games if they want a legit shot at just getting to the finals, good luck in acquiring that without giving up Simmons or Embiid.

well, they're trying to keep butler. we'll see what happens. moving him would only be a last resort to get something in return for him leaving.

[Negrodamus]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27054891/rockets-eyeing-sign-trade-butler

I'd want their first in 2020 and pick swaps in 2021 and 2022.

People on /r/sixers are so sassy and in denial about a Woj report. It's hilarious. The trade might not happen, but Woj's reporting on it doesn't make a difference.

[PhilasFinest]

Man, i cant wait for FA to start so all these can just stop and we can focus on what to add instead of NBA2K GM scenarios..

Im pretty sure this is all just posturing for the max, and I'm expecting Philly to offer it up for both Butler/Harris.

[Mik317]

I think we need to wait and see if Jimmy turns down the max or if we don’t offer it.

All of this seems like posturing