Around The League: 2021-2022 Season 1.0

[Eyeamok]

Id rather have Wiggins than prime Ben Simmons

Both miles better than prime/current Tobias Harris sadly.

Ahh.. i’d prefer Tobias over Ben. I think Tobias and Wiggins right now are very close.

Looking at box plus minus, I’d even put Tobias over Wiggins by a good margin.

But still.. im looking to trade Tobias. He’s just not a good fit with Embiid. We need someone who’s a better defender/rebounded

Wiggins is only GS Wiggins now because he has a defined role, he is basically the 4th option, where was he last season? He as a #1 or #2 option is not leading a team to the promised land...not even to the playoffs. When you have stars in front of you that have been there and won it before, your role becomes so much easier. I'd expect the same thing to happen to BS in BK. If KD , Kyrie and Harris can get it together, life will be cake for BS.

[GoSixersBro]

Both miles better than prime/current Tobias Harris sadly.

Ahh.. i’d prefer Tobias over Ben. I think Tobias and Wiggins right now are very close.

Looking at box plus minus, I’d even put Tobias over Wiggins by a good margin.

But still.. im looking to trade Tobias. He’s just not a good fit with Embiid. We need someone who’s a better defender/rebounded

Wiggins is only GS Wiggins now because he has a defined role, he is basically the 4th option, where was he last season? He as a #1 or #2 option is not leading a team to the promised land...not even to the playoffs. When you have stars in front of you that have been there and won it before, your role becomes so much easier. I'd expect the same thing to happen to BS in BK. If KD , Kyrie and Harris can get it together, life will be cake for BS.

Completely agree with your post but a bit confused how Joe Harris snuck in at the end there haha.

[Jailblazers7]

I actually don’t expect a Wiggins type renaissance for Ben in Brooklyn. Ideally, Ben would slot into elite role player status the way Wiggins had but that is very hard for Ben to do imo.

Wiggins has no obvious holes in his game to be exploited, he just wasn’t good enough to be a star player on a winning team. Ben on the other hand has an exploitable weakness with his inability to shoot. No matter who his teammates are, good teams will find a way to make that a massive hindrance.

Kyrie/KD might be gifted enough shotmakers to overcome that barrier, but it’s still a barrier that places a ceiling on the teams potential. You can even see that barrier mess with Golden State sometimes due to Draymond’s lack of shooting. But Draymond is a much smarter player and has a decade of chemistry that allows him to find a workaround eventually.

I think there’s a cliche that’s developed too that player X can be in the Draymond role. But Draymond is only able to play that role because of Steph. Steph is a true unicorn player that unlocks the ability for others to play in certain ways that isn’t possible if he’s not there.

[Kobblehead]

Tim Connelly to the Wolves is a HUGE deal.

Connelly actually is what the casuals think Ujiri is.

LMAO. Ujiri is much better than Connelly. Besides lucking out on Jokic can you please let me know what he's done?

Besides being the opposite of L.A. so he could get Kawhi, what has Ujiri done? Nothing.

[76ciology]

I actually don’t expect a Wiggins type renaissance for Ben in Brooklyn. Ideally, Ben would slot into elite role player status the way Wiggins had but that is very hard for Ben to do imo.

Wiggins has no obvious holes in his game to be exploited, he just wasn’t good enough to be a star player on a winning team. Ben on the other hand has an exploitable weakness with his inability to shoot. No matter who his teammates are, good teams will find a way to make that a massive hindrance.

Kyrie/KD might be gifted enough shotmakers to overcome that barrier, but it’s still a barrier that places a ceiling on the teams potential. You can even see that barrier mess with Golden State sometimes due to Draymond’s lack of shooting. But Draymond is a much smarter player and has a decade of chemistry that allows him to find a workaround eventually.

I think there’s a cliche that’s developed too that player X can be in the Draymond role. But Draymond is only able to play that role because of Steph. Steph is a true unicorn player that unlocks the ability for others to play in certain ways that isn’t possible if he’s not there.

No way Ben can be as good as Wiggins. The best he can be is Kevin Looney.

I dont even know why Nets would be better with Ben instead of Drummond. Much more instead of Bruce Brown!

The problem with Ben is his strength is his PG ability, and that dont have any value with two ball dominant players with Kyrie and KD. Take away Ben’s ball handling ability and you get a Michael Kidd Gilchrist with Whip Cream on top type player

[76ciology]

The value of Ben on defense is this set-up of teams where they put Tucker or Barnes on the PG, this is to negate the PnR by switching. But Ben is a softee (not just mentally or emotionally) but physically that a big can just empower him.

Ben wouldnt be able to slowdown Siakam like how Tobi did. If Ben was playing in that Raps series, he’d demand to demand FVV or Norman Powell.

[stormi]

The value of Ben on defense is this set-up of teams where they put Tucker or Barnes on the PG, this is to negate the PnR by switching. But Ben is a softee (not just mentally or emotionally) but physically that a big can just empower him.

Ben wouldnt be able to slowdown Siakam like how Tobi did. If Ben was playing in that Raps series, he’d demand to demand FVV or Norman Powell.

Ben is the best wing defender the league has seen in the past 35 years and Pascal Siakam has statistically been his son. Pascal also dumped like 75 points on Harris' head the final 3 games of the series and was getting whatever he wanted because Harris has no length or athleticism and fatty got exhausted and couldn't keep moving his feet anymore. By the time the Heat series came around he was completely cooked.

I am still somewhat in support of your agenda though because the blind homerism aspect of fandom is a necessary one. You need to drop it after Harris is traded this summer though. We're being starved of quality wingplay atm and I want better for us all.

[76ciology]

The value of Ben on defense is this set-up of teams where they put Tucker or Barnes on the PG, this is to negate the PnR by switching. But Ben is a softee (not just mentally or emotionally) but physically that a big can just empower him.

Ben wouldnt be able to slowdown Siakam like how Tobi did. If Ben was playing in that Raps series, he’d demand to demand FVV or Norman Powell.

Ben is the best wing defender the league has seen in the past 35 years and Pascal Siakam has statistically been his son. Pascal also dumped like 75 points on Harris' head the final 3 games of the series and was getting whatever he wanted because Harris has no length or athleticism and fatty got exhausted and couldn't keep moving his feet anymore. By the time the Heat series came around he was completely cooked.

I am still somewhat in support of your agenda though because the blind homerism aspect of fandom is a necessary one. You need to drop it after Harris is traded this summer though. We're being starved of quality wingplay atm and I want better for us all.

I want Tobias traded look at what i have been posting on trade thread.

Its just I want Ben to not have a career after what he has done, to our team, to the nets last season, to people really suffering from mental health issue and to ruin the NBA empowerment movement

[stormi]

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Siakam can't even cross the freethrow line on Ben lmaoooooo. Generational speed and strength at the size. Pascal had Harris salsa dancing and whatever pace he wanted and spammed spin moves to TWO undeserves series wins.

[stormi]

Its just I want Ben to not have a career after what he has done

fair

[76ciology]

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Siakam can't even cross the freethrow line on Ben lmaoooooo. Generational speed and strength at the size. Pascal had Harris salsa dancing and whatever pace he wanted and spammed spin moves to TWO undeserves series wins.

You know what you missed in this clip?

Tobias’ man is so lockdown that he wasn’t only not able to score but also not be able to touch the ball. ATG defender. Atleast Jerami Grant in return for sure

[Sam Hinkie]

Tim Connelly to the Wolves is a HUGE deal.

Connelly actually is what the casuals think Ujiri is.

LMAO. Ujiri is much better than Connelly. Besides lucking out on Jokic can you please let me know what he's done?

Besides being the opposite of L.A. so he could get Kawhi, what has Ujiri done? Nothing.

He's consistently drafted well: Siakam, OG, Delon Wright, Poetl, and Scottie Barnes. He signed Fred Van Vleet as an undrafted free agent. He hired one of the best coaches in the NBA.

He took over a team in a bad market for NBA players, with zero top 5 picks, and one top 10 pick, and they won a NBA championship.

That is impressive as hell. What exactly as Connelly done besides drafting Jokic in the 2nd round?

[Eyeamok]

Ahh.. i’d prefer Tobias over Ben. I think Tobias and Wiggins right now are very close.

Looking at box plus minus, I’d even put Tobias over Wiggins by a good margin.

But still.. im looking to trade Tobias. He’s just not a good fit with Embiid. We need someone who’s a better defender/rebounded

Wiggins is only GS Wiggins now because he has a defined role, he is basically the 4th option, where was he last season? He as a #1 or #2 option is not leading a team to the promised land...not even to the playoffs. When you have stars in front of you that have been there and won it before, your role becomes so much easier. I'd expect the same thing to happen to BS in BK. If KD , Kyrie and Harris can get it together, life will be cake for BS.

Completely agree with your post but a bit confused how Joe Harris snuck in at the end there haha.

Life will be easier for BS if he is the 4th option for BK. Just looking out for him.

[Jailblazers7]

Worse actor: Amber Heard or Steve Kerr? Go!

Yeah, definitely impossible that Steve Kerr is genuinely upset that a school full of kids were murdered. Get this trash out of here.

[mjkvol]

Worse actor: Amber Heard or Steve Kerr? Go!

Yeah, definitely impossible that Steve Kerr is genuinely upset that a school full of kids were murdered. Get this trash out of here.

The issue is not him being upset, but making it into a political screed. And if you want to say he's entitled to his opinion, then so is GoSixersBro and anyone else who wants to criticize him.

[Jailblazers7]

Expressing a different political opinion is very different than questioning the authenticity of Kerr’s emotional response to a tragedy.

This will be my last post about this because I’m just too mad about the school shooting to have an extended back and forth about it and maintain my sanity. Apologies to GoSixerBro for coming in hot, I’m just not in a good headspace today and that set me off.

[Negrodamus]

You can draw a very straight and short line between a tormented 18 year old with a paper trail of gun restricting actions and politicians (specifically Senators) putting H.R. 8 (bipartisan no less) to a vote and preventing at least some of these from happening.

Steve Kerr bringing that up in an emotional press conference shouldn't really come as a surprise. Especially since he has been affected very personally by this subject (his father assassinated in Beirut).

Not really sure why he's not allowed to bring something like this up or why anyone would take exception to it.

[GoSixersBro]

Expressing a different political opinion is very different than questioning the authenticity of Kerr’s emotional response to a tragedy.

This will be my last post about this because I’m just too mad about the school shooting to have an extended back and forth about it and maintain my sanity. Apologies to GoSixerBro for coming in hot, I’m just not in a good headspace today and that set me off.

No need to apologize. Hope your day improves!

[mjkvol]

You can draw a very straight and short line between a tormented 18 year old with a paper trail of gun restricting actions and politicians (specifically Senators) putting H.R. 8 (bipartisan no less) to a vote and preventing at least some of these from happening.

Steve Kerr bringing that up in an emotional press conference shouldn't really come as a surprise. Especially since he has been affected very personally by this subject (his father assassinated in Beirut).

Not really sure why he's not allowed to bring something like this up or why anyone would take exception to it.

He's certainly 'allowed' to say anything he chooses. But a very public figure choosing to react to a horrific event with a political screed opens himself up to criticism. I would venture that few are aware of Kerr's personal situation, and even if they were it doesn't mean they automatically agree with his politics.

[Negrodamus]

You can draw a very straight and short line between a tormented 18 year old with a paper trail of gun restricting actions and politicians (specifically Senators) putting H.R. 8 (bipartisan no less) to a vote and preventing at least some of these from happening.

Steve Kerr bringing that up in an emotional press conference shouldn't really come as a surprise. Especially since he has been affected very personally by this subject (his father assassinated in Beirut).

Not really sure why he's not allowed to bring something like this up or why anyone would take exception to it.

He's certainly 'allowed' to say anything he chooses. But a very public figure choosing to react to a horrific event with a political screed opens himself up to criticism. I would venture that few are aware of Kerr's personal situation, and even if they were it doesn't mean they automatically agree with his politics.

I suppose you're right. Allowed wasn't the right word. I just find it weird that he's being criticized. Everything he said is exactly what's happening, it wasn't really a partisan take, to be honest.

Either way, agree or disagree, I wouldn't come away from it thinking he was acting.