Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[eyeatoma]

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Hate Morey all you want, he has the right plan in mind.

100% agree. I've never gotten the Morey hate here. Yeah, I wasn't a fan of signing Tucker and a couple other moves, but he came into an impossible spot and gave us a shot to compete again when it seemed that a teardown was the only viable way out of the mess Brand & Co. had produced, then turned a nightmarish Simmons situation into two playoff runs where better play from our stars and competent coaching might have gotten an ECF or even Finals appearance. My only real complaint with him was not schiitcanning Glenn after the Atlanta and Miami debacles, and essentially throwing away last season.

I never got it either. I think it is sometimes just a knee jerk, especially in the NBA, to side with players over management.


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NBA fans hate Morey. They hate that he just doesn't cowtow to players and stiffs their teams for a bunch of picks and players. He could have done a better job with the Tucker contract, and IMO should have gotten rid of Korkmaz, but he did what he was supposed to. If he had gotten rid of Doc, I'm fairly confident we would have made the ECFs.

[Warfelg]

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Hate Morey all you want, he has the right plan in mind.

100% agree. I've never gotten the Morey hate here. Yeah, I wasn't a fan of signing Tucker and a couple other moves, but he came into an impossible spot and gave us a shot to compete again when it seemed that a teardown was the only viable way out of the mess Brand & Co. had produced, then turned a nightmarish Simmons situation into two playoff runs where better play from our stars and competent coaching might have gotten an ECF or even Finals appearance. My only real complaint with him was not schiitcanning Glenn after the Atlanta and Miami debacles, and essentially throwing away last season.

Yeah Doc lasted one season too long, I suspect the owners didn't want to spend extra money, especially given that Harris was buying the Commanders.

I think that’s a little conspiracy theory to it. While I would have wanted Doc gone after the ATL debacle I think the turmoil of the last 18-24 months made it harder to fire him. Well not harder per se but more harder to replace him because coaches may feel like you could pull the rug out from under them too.


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[eyeatoma]

100% agree. I've never gotten the Morey hate here. Yeah, I wasn't a fan of signing Tucker and a couple other moves, but he came into an impossible spot and gave us a shot to compete again when it seemed that a teardown was the only viable way out of the mess Brand & Co. had produced, then turned a nightmarish Simmons situation into two playoff runs where better play from our stars and competent coaching might have gotten an ECF or even Finals appearance. My only real complaint with him was not schiitcanning Glenn after the Atlanta and Miami debacles, and essentially throwing away last season.

Yeah Doc lasted one season too long, I suspect the owners didn't want to spend extra money, especially given that Harris was buying the Commanders.

I think that’s a little conspiracy theory to it. While I would have wanted Doc gone after the ATL debacle I think the turmoil of the last 18-24 months made it harder to fire him. Well not harder per se but more harder to replace him because coaches may feel like you could pull the rug out from under them too.


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True probably didn't want to give new coaches a bad impression, of whether they have any job security or not.

[Warfelg]

100% agree. I've never gotten the Morey hate here. Yeah, I wasn't a fan of signing Tucker and a couple other moves, but he came into an impossible spot and gave us a shot to compete again when it seemed that a teardown was the only viable way out of the mess Brand & Co. had produced, then turned a nightmarish Simmons situation into two playoff runs where better play from our stars and competent coaching might have gotten an ECF or even Finals appearance. My only real complaint with him was not schiitcanning Glenn after the Atlanta and Miami debacles, and essentially throwing away last season.

I never got it either. I think it is sometimes just a knee jerk, especially in the NBA, to side with players over management.


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NBA fans hate Morey. They hate that he just doesn't cowtow to players and stiffs their teams for a bunch of picks and players. He could have done a better job with the Tucker contract, and IMO should have gotten rid of Korkmaz, but he did what he was supposed to. If he had gotten rid of Doc, I'm fairly confident we would have made the ECFs.

Well and part of that is the NBAs fault. They created a system where the players are bigger than the league/teams so fans care. As much as I hate Stern, he did a good job on the focus being the team/league. Silver has completely upended that and making the players more important.


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[GoSixersBro]

Doc has accumulated some undeserved goodwill and IMO is why he wasn't fired after the 2022 playoffs.

If it was another coach without a ring in his first or second HC job, they'd probably have been let go.

[mjkvol]

100% agree. I've never gotten the Morey hate here. Yeah, I wasn't a fan of signing Tucker and a couple other moves, but he came into an impossible spot and gave us a shot to compete again when it seemed that a teardown was the only viable way out of the mess Brand & Co. had produced, then turned a nightmarish Simmons situation into two playoff runs where better play from our stars and competent coaching might have gotten an ECF or even Finals appearance. My only real complaint with him was not schiitcanning Glenn after the Atlanta and Miami debacles, and essentially throwing away last season.

Yeah Doc lasted one season too long, I suspect the owners didn't want to spend extra money, especially given that Harris was buying the Commanders.

I think that’s a little conspiracy theory to it. While I would have wanted Doc gone after the ATL debacle I think the turmoil of the last 18-24 months made it harder to fire him. Well not harder per se but more harder to replace him because coaches may feel like you could pull the rug out from under them too.

After Atlanta, maybe. But after Miami, and with a full off season of Harden coming up, the time was beyond ripe to bring in a coach from this century, and one whose legacy wasn't a championship in a different era and a record number of playoff meltdowns. I was convinced that he was gone after Miami and all the youth he had flushed down the toilet, and the fact that he stayed made it certain that the season would be a failure at some point. Glenn certainly outdid himself and ended his stay here in spectacular fashion though, didn't he?

[Bum Adebayo]

Doc sucks, but he is still the best coach Embiid has had here, which is the saddest part lmao.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Doc ended his stay here EXACTLY how I didn't want him to end it. As painful as it was to admit it, I knew in my heart of hearts that we would fail at the most inopportune time, at the worst possible inconvenient moment because of him....And we did.

[eyeatoma]

Doc sucks, but he is still the best coach Embiid has had here, which is the saddest part lmao.

This is true, but it's not saying much. Hard ****, and watery **** is still ****.

[Murray_17]

Doc has accumulated some undeserved goodwill and IMO is why he wasn't fired after the 2022 playoffs.

I think he wasn't fired because Ownership wasn't willing tto pay for a new coach while also having to cover for both Doc and Brett contracts. Also, Doc helped bring Morey here, so i think that also played into his refusal to fire him.

[Arsenal]

There's no chance the cheap ownership would fire Glenn after year 1 or 2 of a 5 year / $40m contract.

99% chance it was little Joshy's decision. First chance Morey was allowed to, he fired Glenn and brought in his guy.

[Mr Chim]

So it's Harden's word against Morey's. Hi Where's the definitive proof that f**ks the Sixers?

Apparently Harden's word is enough, there is a clause in the CBA.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/15uolxg/stein_there_are_now_calls_for_the_league_to/jwqnmh3?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2


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Thanks for directing us to that thread. The CBA line seems very broad, and I guess it would all depend upon the construction that "rational explanation" is given by Adam Silver or whoever's deciding the issue:

(d) A violation of Section 2(a) or 2(b) above may be proven by direct or circumstantial evidence, including, but not limited to, evidence that a Player Contract or any term or provision thereof cannot rationally be explained in the absence of conduct violative of Section 2(a) or 2(b).

To me (a non-lawyer) it seems kind of like the standard of a "reasonable doubt" in criminal trials. If Morey can come up with any way that Harden would have restructured his contract without having been promised that he would be given a max deal afterword, or that Harden would have exercised his player option without having been promised that he would be traded (or traded to a particular team), then I'd read it as no violation provable. But that's just me, not Silver.

All The Sixers need to do is submit the Harden quote where he himself states the only reason he’s taking a pay cut is to help the team win a championship. Case closed.

[Stanford]

Daryl has never wanted a rebuild in his career. All of a sudden he wants one now?

This report is nonsense. It's someone making up news.

[Philly's Best]

Daryl has never wanted a rebuild in his career. All of a sudden he wants one now?

This report is nonsense. It's someone making up news.

Maybe not but I suppose a rebuild may save his job for a few years.

[Philly's Best]

So now Beverly is chiming in this morning lol. Morey created a mess regardless of facts. These are his dudes.

[sixers hoops]

Daryl has never wanted a rebuild in his career. All of a sudden he wants one now?

This report is nonsense. It's someone making up news.

Is this in response to the draft picks? I read it as he likely wants draft picks to use in potential trades. I don’t think desiring draft picks would necessarily lead to a rebuild. Draft picks could take time to turn into an actual contributing player, but I didn’t think we would likely use the picks to rebuild.

[Stanford]

Is this in response to the draft picks?

In response to this:

https://sports.yahoo.com/james-hardens-pressure-on-daryl-morey-could-cost-sixers-more-than-1-unhappy-star-022301007.html

Embiid has said all the right things publicly, but there has to be some residual fatigue in his entire 76ers experience. Morey is responsible for only the past few years, but in totality, many around the league believe Embiid will ask out sooner rather than later — and that a full rebuild is what Morey is covertly hoping for.

[MoeGreene]

Seems LaVine is getting some traction in Bulls rumors.

[mjkvol]

Daryl has never wanted a rebuild in his career. All of a sudden he wants one now?

This report is nonsense. It's someone making up news.

Is this in response to the draft picks? I read it as he likely wants draft picks to use in potential trades. I don’t think desiring draft picks would necessarily lead to a rebuild. Draft picks could take time to turn into an actual contributing player, but I didn’t think we would likely use the picks to rebuild.

Probably so, but I hope the draft picks are to actually use especially if that contributing player is another one in his mid-late 30's.

[eyeatoma]

Seems LaVine is getting some traction in Bulls rumors.

Link?