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** Official 2024 Make or Break Offseason Thread **

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Re: ** Official 2024 Make or Break Offseason Thread ** 

Post#1801 » by eyeatoma » Wed May 29, 2024 8:57 pm

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eyeatoma wrote:Don't know why they just don't do 5 picks, Reed, and Melton and go get Lauri/Mikal. We'd still have capspace. Would take all the doubt out.

Overpay and go get the sure thing.


Where is this confidence coming from that this is all it would take? I expect it would cost more than this to trade for both.


It will never be more than 5 picks, Rudy Gobert/Durant never got more than 5 picks.I also think I read somewhere that about 4-5 picks would be the cost. Issue is the young players. Only team that can offer that much is OKC, which who knows they might outbid us, but it's worth a try. Not sure that there is any other team that can offer that much. That would put us as the only other team that can do it.
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Post#1802 » by the_process » Wed May 29, 2024 9:00 pm

I'm really not interested in having to give up picks for Jimmy, to then turn around and give him a 100M plus extension that doesn't even kick in for two years

If it was just money, it could be justified.

We still can't completely rule out Morey offering Harden a max deal because he's nuts.
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Post#1803 » by the_process » Wed May 29, 2024 9:05 pm

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The literal worst case scenario, overpaying, both in a trade and contractually, for a 35 year old Jimmy Butler. This ownership sucks.


Pompey's source inside the org is Elton.

I'm glad that Elton knows he ******* up big time. But you can't undo it. It's over.
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Post#1804 » by Jailblazers7 » Wed May 29, 2024 9:25 pm

There would be something poetic about the final nail in the coffin being a trade & max deal for Jimmy 5 years too late. Just a masterpiece of bad management.
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Post#1805 » by FireMorey » Wed May 29, 2024 9:39 pm

There may not be any other options depending on how things shake out.
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Post#1806 » by eyeatoma » Wed May 29, 2024 9:44 pm

Much rather have Jimmy than PG to be honest. He's got that winners energy that no one else in the league has, and his game is not predicated on athleticism. If he could give us 2-3 good years Id' say it's worth it. It would all depend on what we could do to build around that core. Would need a ton of 3 point shooters and rebounding would still suck unless we get Drummond.

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Post#1807 » by zaz102 » Wed May 29, 2024 9:48 pm

Might be the best available move, but man is it embarrassing to have had Butler at start of Embiid's prime and then:
* Trade assets and max Tobias Harris as a replacement for Butler.
* Trade Butler for Josh "Useless" Richardson
* Let Jimmy play his prime years on another team just to trade more assets to get him back on the twilight of his career.
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Re: ** Official 2024 Make or Break Offseason Thread ** 

Post#1808 » by Arsenal » Wed May 29, 2024 9:58 pm

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eyeatoma wrote:Don't know why they just don't do 5 picks, Reed, and Melton and go get Lauri/Mikal. We'd still have capspace. Would take all the doubt out.

Overpay and go get the sure thing.


Where is this confidence coming from that this is all it would take? I expect it would cost more than this to trade for both.


It will never be more than 5 picks, Rudy Gobert/Durant never got more than 5 picks.I also think I read somewhere that about 4-5 picks would be the cost. Issue is the young players. Only team that can offer that much is OKC, which who knows they might outbid us, but it's worth a try. Not sure that there is any other team that can offer that much. That would put us as the only other team that can do it.


I thought you meant get both Lauri and Mikal for 5 picks, Reed and Melton - which is no chance.

If you meant just one then I say no because it's a damn overpay!!!
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Post#1809 » by mjkvol » Wed May 29, 2024 10:00 pm

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PhillyFan11 wrote:Trading assets to give Jimmy a 3/4 year max is a sure fire way to tank a franchise. We’d be cash and pick strapped with like a 2 year window to win a championship…if not it’s going to be a long dark hole to dig out of.

I don’t see why people are so willing to sell their souls for a short window shot at winning. Morey has a blank slate to build a team for long term sustainable success, the Jimmy/PG route is the lazy way out.


Pal Jorge is a better option than Butler. Costs zero picks and leaves the ball with Maxey. They miss about the same amount of time I think, but it feels like Jimmy is hurt more.


But it still leaves us cap-strapped and limits building out the roster to a lot of vet mins. The really amazing thing about a lot of these columns from so-called "experts" is how they reference the Tobias contract as something finally gone and the flexibility that finally gives us, and in the next breath trumpets the idea of signing a "third star" like 34-year old and oft-injured Paul George to a 4-year max, which kills flexibility and the ability to build out a quality roster.

In other words, we're once again living and dying on the health of Embiid and George and praying both are actually healthy come playoff time. Oh, and banking on two players not exactly known for playoff heroics to bring us to the promised land.

I'll say it yet again - if this is all Morey flushed a season to accomplish, please fire him now and hire someone competent. I won't believe he is this simple-minded and shortsighted until it actually happens.
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Post#1810 » by Arsenal » Wed May 29, 2024 10:01 pm

zaz102 wrote:Might be the best available move, but man is it embarrassing to have had Butler at start of Embiid's prime and then:
* Trade assets and max Tobias Harris as a replacement for Butler.
* Trade Butler for Josh "Useless" Richardson
* Let Jimmy play his prime years on another team just to trade more assets to get him back on the twilight of his career.


Agree totally embarrassing. However the bright side would be the idiot ownership not succumbing to sunk cost fallacy, and willing to look dumb to fix a problem.

That depends of course on if Jimmy can actually deliver us a chip at age 35, 36, or 37. I think he takes good care of his body but unless he's damn Lebron some significant decline is expected.
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Post#1811 » by mjkvol » Wed May 29, 2024 10:08 pm

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Tony Franciosa wrote:Tobias scored 0 points in an elimination game this year. NEVER FORGET.


Was told repeatedly, for years, that Tobias was better than the alternative. Even though he wasn't.

The same **** will happen again when Morey trades for LaVine or some other sad sack.

There has to be a reason for faith. Willing to give Morey this one last shot that he's been creaming himself over for the last year. Zero expectations, though. We'll see.


I'll defend my previous position:

A - He clearly got worse and lost all confidence or something. Not that he was ever great, but this was the worst he's played.

B - I mean... We had Buddy Hield on the team, which was the type of guy we talked about trading him for. He couldn't even see the court.

C - It's just not super easy to find big forward that can actually play. It's why you'll still see Tobias ranked high on free agent lists this summer even though he sucked.


And as long as he goes to a non-contender, Tobias will put up numbers that will make some national media people say "Tobias might be a really good deadline pick up for a contender". At least we know it won't be us this time - unless Glenn is rehired.
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Re: ** Official 2024 Make or Break Offseason Thread ** 

Post#1812 » by mjkvol » Wed May 29, 2024 10:10 pm

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Jailblazers7 wrote:A major issue with Jimmy is that we need someone who can reduce Embiid’s regular season load to keep him healthy for the playoffs. Instead, Maxey will be dragging some sorry ass team all season while Jimmy & Embiid collect DNPs for load management.

The most likely scenario is that we sign a bunch of role players to tradeable contracts, which is probably for the best. Ideally, we have a deep & well-designed team that still gives us the ability to make advantageous trades as they arise.

Having 3 max guys locks you into your team a la Phoenix. The reason Boston always gets to pounce on opportunities like Derrick White or KP is that they have the contracts & cap flexibility to make those trades.


Bingo.

Why is this concept, rooted in the reality of what works in today's NBA, so hard for so many to comprehend? And smart organizations like Boston also have a cache of picks always available, while badly managed teams throw all their picks away on aging "stars" and expensive mid-level players.

After years of horrid mismanagement, we finally have a blank slate along with two legit stars, and a real chance to build something lasting, and yet the media "experts" and too many fans are ready to toss it away for old, past their prime "stars" and an antiquated way of constructing a contender.


This is the second day in a row that I have come on to vent about the way the "media" and fans seem to want the 76ers to uses their cap space and picks. And for the second time in a row you have said it more better than I would have. Keep up the good work sir. :beer:

But I will say this one of the best pieces of news I read today was Ballmer is going to do whatever it takes to keep PG. I love it.


Now we just need the Lakers and Heat to say the same thing.
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Post#1813 » by Arsenal » Wed May 29, 2024 10:13 pm

Pivot to Siakam.

Pivot to OG.

Pivot to Miles Bridges.

We shouldn't blow our cache of picks immediately. Sign younger guys who cost less in free agency, then as things progress we can still use the picks to trade attached to newly signed deals for stars if it doesn't work.
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Post#1814 » by mjkvol » Wed May 29, 2024 10:21 pm

zaz102 wrote:Might be the best available move, but man is it embarrassing to have had Butler at start of Embiid's prime and then:
* Trade assets and max Tobias Harris as a replacement for Butler.
* Trade Butler for Josh "Useless" Richardson
* Let Jimmy play his prime years on another team just to trade more assets to get him back on the twilight of his career.


It's incredibly embarrassing that two of the moves being mentioned by a lot of people are trading the motherlode for either an aging Butler and/or Mikal Bridges, two players who were here and if retained would very likely have been part of a Finals, or dare I say it, a championship team. I would highly prefer to let the brutal past be just that and move forward.
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Re: ** Official 2024 Make or Break Offseason Thread ** 

Post#1815 » by eyeatoma » Wed May 29, 2024 10:49 pm

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Where is this confidence coming from that this is all it would take? I expect it would cost more than this to trade for both.


It will never be more than 5 picks, Rudy Gobert/Durant never got more than 5 picks.I also think I read somewhere that about 4-5 picks would be the cost. Issue is the young players. Only team that can offer that much is OKC, which who knows they might outbid us, but it's worth a try. Not sure that there is any other team that can offer that much. That would put us as the only other team that can do it.


I thought you meant get both Lauri and Mikal for 5 picks, Reed and Melton - which is no chance.

If you meant just one then I say no because it's a damn overpay!!!


It's an overpay but you still have most of your capspace left to round out the roster.
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Re: ** Official 2024 Make or Break Offseason Thread ** 

Post#1816 » by eyeatoma » Wed May 29, 2024 10:50 pm

Arsenal wrote:Pivot to Siakam.

Pivot to OG.

Pivot to Miles Bridges.

We shouldn't blow our cache of picks immediately. Sign younger guys who cost less in free agency, then as things progress we can still use the picks to trade attached to newly signed deals for stars if it doesn't work.



This has always been my ethos. I'm just saying Jimmy is better than George and the lesser of two evils is that's our only option.
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Post#1817 » by the_process » Wed May 29, 2024 11:06 pm

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PhillyFan11 wrote:Trading assets to give Jimmy a 3/4 year max is a sure fire way to tank a franchise. We’d be cash and pick strapped with like a 2 year window to win a championship…if not it’s going to be a long dark hole to dig out of.

I don’t see why people are so willing to sell their souls for a short window shot at winning. Morey has a blank slate to build a team for long term sustainable success, the Jimmy/PG route is the lazy way out.

Because our window with Embiid is about 4 years do you honestly think he is going to age well? That being said unless we can some how not have complete garbage around Joel maxey and Jimmy it's a hard pass. Under no circumstances though do I want Paul George. That guy just sits on the perimeter and shoots js. Rarely uses his size and athletic ability to impact games anymore and always plays worse in the playoffs then regular season. One last thing regarding Embiids window I think people are living in delusion land about how happy Embiid is here. IMHO opinion we are 1 or 2 playoff disappointments from him forcing his way out. These guys care about there legacies if the Sixers can't put a team capable of winning a title around him he'll go elsewhere. He knows the clock is ticking. He is not 25 anymore.


We are getting to the point where Embiid asking out would be saving the team from themselves.
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Re: ** Official 2024 Make or Break Offseason Thread ** 

Post#1818 » by mjkvol » Wed May 29, 2024 11:40 pm

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/275890/Sixers-Two-Other-Teams-Interested-In-Acquiring-Extending-Jimmy-Butler

Who is the other team aside from the Sixers and Lakers?

The Lakers must be one of them, as they're in desperation mode to keep The King at this point.
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Re: ** Official 2024 Make or Break Offseason Thread ** 

Post#1819 » by eyeatoma » Wed May 29, 2024 11:52 pm

mjkvol wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/275890/Sixers-Two-Other-Teams-Interested-In-Acquiring-Extending-Jimmy-Butler

Who is the other team aside from the Sixers and Lakers?

The Lakers must be one of them, as they're in desperation mode to keep The King at this point.


Knicks...
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Re: ** Official 2024 Make or Break Offseason Thread ** 

Post#1820 » by youngcrev » Wed May 29, 2024 11:59 pm

mjkvol wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/275890/Sixers-Two-Other-Teams-Interested-In-Acquiring-Extending-Jimmy-Butler

Who is the other team aside from the Sixers and Lakers?

The Lakers must be one of them, as they're in desperation mode to keep The King at this point.


Timeline:
Jimmy puts it out there that he wants an extension
Riley says no (publicly)
Sixers leak that they'd be willing to pay him

The take: The Heat put this one out there as a negotiation tactic, regardless of whether those teams exist.

Conclusion:
(Somebody take that Morey/Harden air port picture and Photoshop on Embiid and Jimmy's faces)

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