Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll

[Sixerscan]

Is Ben Simmons soft? I've seen him do something extremely soft at the 00:05:10 mark. He avoided an opportunity to dunk all over a 6'2" guard in transition in favor of passing the ball to a wide open teammate for a corner 3 attempt. The teammate missed the 3. A 19 year old Lebron James would have leaped over that 6'2" player for the dunk.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_Xy4w93IXw[/youtube]

Actually a major concern with LeBron early in his career was that he was too unselfish and would make plays just like that. Even when as he matured he would still make decisions like that, although in this example the guys obviously weren't 6'2". Comparing Simmons to LBJ is unfair but of all things this is an odd comparison to point to LeBron for...

I don't see any similarities. He gave up a wide open dunk in favor of passing the ball for a 3 point shot. I've never seen anything like that on that level of basketball and higher from a player so tall and athletic. I've seen 5'10" guards do something like that to avoid the contest from behind AKA "The Lebron James Block," but never a 6'6"+ player at the beginning of the game. The player he avoided dunking on is Anthony "Cat" Barber who was measured in at a tad under 6'2" without shoes at the NBA combine.

I was giving one example literally off the top of my head. Lebron used to do the exact thing you describe a fair amount. Anyway trying to draw conclusions on a guy based on one play is dumb and people will just use it to reinforce conclusions they've already made so talking about this anymore is a waste of time.

[Sundown]

I don't see any similarities. He gave up a wide open dunk in favor of passing the ball for a 3 point shot. I've never seen anything like that on that level of basketball and higher from a player so tall and athletic. I've seen 5'10" guards do something like that to avoid the contest from behind AKA "The Lebron James Block," but never a 6'6"+ player at the beginning of the game. The player he avoided dunking on is Anthony "Cat" Barber who was measured in at a tad under 6'2" without shoes at the NBA combine.

You're reaching. He clearly was too far under the basket to dunk it in stride. It doesn't matter though. He will be a Sixer. It's only a matter of time. Get your shots in now. Only about 3 weeks left to do so.

You say that he was too far under the basket, but the professional analyst says that he passed up a good look and I agree with him.

LOL at "professional analyst." It was a play by play announcer calling a game in real time.


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[SelfishPlayer]

I've never seen Lebron give up an open dunk except maybe to a teammate for an open dunk when they were both on a 2 on zero fast break. That particular play by Simmons is something to scrutinize, giving up a dunk for 3 point attempt within the first 6 minutes of a game will not work in the NBA.

[76ciology]

Same as last year. There was no debate for the top pick. Towns was the best prospect. It wasn't a debate. No one made a big stink about it last year. This year Simmons is the best prospect. It is what it is.

This.

It's not that Simmons has no flaws. It's not that Simmons is being worshiped as a deity. It's just that there's quite simply no worthy competitor to snatch the #1 pick from him. Notice how nobody is attempting to building a case for Ingram, they're just scrambling for ways to talk themselves out of Simmons.

I said it before, D'Angelo Russell vs. Ben Simmons would be a worthy debate with points and counterpoints in both directions. Personally, I wouldn't go all-in one way or the other. I'd be truly conflicted.

This, on the other hand, is not a worthy debate. Brandon Ingram quite simply wasn't good enough to even be worth considering for the #1 pick.

Your opinions have been clearly stated. Many agree with you. Some do not but still respect your opinion. From my observation point, you are extrapolating too much of Simmons' college stats forward and assuming they will be transferable to the NBA. Ironically, lumping Angelo Russell into your justification weakens your overall argument for Ben Simmons, IMO.

Russell's pre-draft red flags, substandard athleticism, poor finishing, propensity to go left, weak defender, Diva mentality..., all showed up in spades during his rookie year. Frankly, Russell is more likely to bust than live up to your assessment of his potential. I am afraid Simmons is likely to follow his little buddy Angelo. If so, I hope that they can play together for LAL.

Meanwhile, showing some tolerance for opinions other than your own would be welcomed even if unexpected.

Go ahead and bust out Omar Little. We have three weeks to kill.

The thing that worries me is I kinda feel that his stats is misleading. Because he is basically a one man team with LSU so he can easily pad his rebound and assists numbers. I read that Simmons even plays C. It would have been an impressive feat but the team was a big disappointment.

Then if you watch the videos, you'll see most of his offense comes from transition. As per stats it's abnormally high at 26%. While you can clearly see that he is playing against really weak competition.

That 75FG% in the paint is also misleading. Because he only shot 55% in the paint at halfcourt setting. It was padded because of all the transition points he had (he had a lot of breakaway dunks).

It kinds of remind me of the trick Mudiay did playing in CBA. He opt for a weaker competition and with a more favorable environment to make him look good.

I really doubt Simmons' bully ball scoring will translate in the NBA, thus it will decrease ability to break down defense.

At 5.5apg/3.9TOg per 40, I don't think he will be efficient being a ball dominant player.

Simmons kind of reminds me of John Wall. A really talented player and can get you good stats but I'm not sure if he plays winning type basketball.

[Unbreakable99]

Not quite 3 point range for Simmons but his shot seems to be improving. Progress. Baby steps.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/738031922052497408[/tweet]

[FreesFro]

And yes he can finish with his left hand. The dude is right-handed, shoots from the outside left-handed, but can't finish at the rim left-handed? Please.

Doesn't look like it.



You're confident that Simmons can finish with his left hand even though out of all his one handed attempts, 95% of them were with his right hand? Even though when he drives left, jumps off his right foot, and the defender is on his right hand, thus all signs say "finish with your left!", he still forces up a right handed layup/floater? How is that nitpicking? It's pretty common for prospects to get called out for having a weak hand. It just so happens that in this case Simmons shoots jumpshots with that weak hand, which is the strange part. But it's pretty clear that as of now he has no confidence at all in finishing with his left. It's something he'll need to work on at the next level because those awkward right handed shots in situations where he should be finishing with his left won't be as effective against NBA defenders.

I'm not worried about it as I mentioned earlier. It's crazy the amount of over-analyzing that goes on about college freshmen. None of these kids are finished products and they all have to work on their games. They all have areas to improve on.

Also, there's a toothpick who played at Duke last year who couldn't finish at the rim with either his left or right hand.

[Agnostifarian]

So build the case for Ingram. If you don't want Ben Simmons at #1, there has to be an alternative that can stand up to the same critical lens. And that's my point. Ingram can be ripped apart even worse through criticism. And he doesn't even have the shield of an excellent freshman season to stand behind.

I would not characterize Simmons' freshman season as excellent. In fact, I'd call it very disappointing for many reasons but in particular, (1) he did not elevate his team's play or their success, (2) he found no way to exploit having defenders sag off of him, (3) he quit on his team and (4) he came very close to academic ineligibility.

Here's why I like Ingram #1.

(1) Ingram has elite length for a SG or SF. Only KD and Giannis are longer on the perimeter. Ingram has a decided length advantage over Wiggins.

(2) I like two way players. I like guys who can score on three levels on offense and I like guys who can switch on defense.

(3) I like guys who can excel at PNR on both ends. Ingram's handle and shooting paired with Embiid could become the most devastating offensive duo in a very long time.

(4) Ingram provides spacing. He must be guarded tightly on the perimeter. Hand checking rules will help his scoring efficiency because defenders are going to lunge and grab at him constantly.

(5) Ingram was challenged by a HOF Coach K who put the ball in Ingram's hands (25.6% USG) and trusted him (11.3% TOV).

(6) Ingram played heavy minutes in a short rotation and did not get into foul trouble.

(7) Ingram's game improved as the season went on and he is 14 months younger than Ben Simmons.

(8) Ingram was never accused of quitting.

(9) Ingram is on the record as being ready to play for whatever team drafts him.

(10) Coach K said not to be misled by Ingram's skinny frame. He is strong and aggressive. He will easily gain 25 lbs of muscle over his rookie contract.

Remember, we aren't drafting these guys for what they are right now; we are drafting them for what they will become after spending 6,000 minutes playing in the NBA. IMO, Ingram is a surefire all star when he's 22 year's old and 220 lbs.

[Sundown]

This.

It's not that Simmons has no flaws. It's not that Simmons is being worshiped as a deity. It's just that there's quite simply no worthy competitor to snatch the #1 pick from him. Notice how nobody is attempting to building a case for Ingram, they're just scrambling for ways to talk themselves out of Simmons.

I said it before, D'Angelo Russell vs. Ben Simmons would be a worthy debate with points and counterpoints in both directions. Personally, I wouldn't go all-in one way or the other. I'd be truly conflicted.

This, on the other hand, is not a worthy debate. Brandon Ingram quite simply wasn't good enough to even be worth considering for the #1 pick.

Your opinions have been clearly stated. Many agree with you. Some do not but still respect your opinion. From my observation point, you are extrapolating too much of Simmons' college stats forward and assuming they will be transferable to the NBA. Ironically, lumping Angelo Russell into your justification weakens your overall argument for Ben Simmons, IMO.

Russell's pre-draft red flags, substandard athleticism, poor finishing, propensity to go left, weak defender, Diva mentality..., all showed up in spades during his rookie year. Frankly, Russell is more likely to bust than live up to your assessment of his potential. I am afraid Simmons is likely to follow his little buddy Angelo. If so, I hope that they can play together for LAL.

Meanwhile, showing some tolerance for opinions other than your own would be welcomed even if unexpected.

Go ahead and bust out Omar Little. We have three weeks to kill.

The thing that worries me is I kinda feel that his stats is misleading. Because he is basically a one man team with LSU so he can easily pad his rebound and assists numbers. I read that Simmons even plays C. It would have been an impressive feat but the team was a big disappointment.

Then if you watch the videos, you'll see most of his offense comes from transition. As per stats it's abnormally high at 26%. While you can clearly see that he is playing against really weak competition.

That 75FG% in the paint is also misleading. Because he only shot 55% in the paint at halfcourt setting. It was padded because of all the transition points he had (he had a lot of breakaway dunks).

It kinds of remind me of the trick Mudiay did playing in CBA. He opt for a weaker competition and with a more favorable environment to make him look good.

I really doubt Simmons' bully ball scoring will translate in the NBA, thus it will decrease ability to break down defense.

At 5.5apg/3.9TOg per 40, I don't think he will be efficient being a ball dominant player.

Simmons kind of reminds me of John Wall. A really talented player and can get you good stats but I'm not sure if he plays winning type basketball.

It's hard to discount Simmons' production in transition when one of the dude's strengths is he can rebound, start and finish the break. His play in the open court is a big part of his game.

[sixerswillrule]

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And yes he can finish with his left hand. The dude is right-handed, shoots from the outside left-handed, but can't finish at the rim left-handed? Please.

Doesn't look like it.



You're confident that Simmons can finish with his left hand even though out of all his one handed attempts, 95% of them were with his right hand? Even though when he drives left, jumps off his right foot, and the defender is on his right hand, thus all signs say "finish with your left!", he still forces up a right handed layup/floater? How is that nitpicking? It's pretty common for prospects to get called out for having a weak hand. It just so happens that in this case Simmons shoots jumpshots with that weak hand, which is the strange part. But it's pretty clear that as of now he has no confidence at all in finishing with his left. It's something he'll need to work on at the next level because those awkward right handed shots in situations where he should be finishing with his left won't be as effective against NBA defenders.

I'm not worried about it as I mentioned earlier. It's crazy the amount of over-analyzing that goes on about college freshmen. None of these kids are finished products and they all have to work on their games. They all have areas to improve on.

Also, there's a toothpick who played at Duke last year who couldn't finish at the rim with either his left or right hand.

"Fundamentally, Wiggins still has to refine and polish up his skills. He's a capable shooter, but not a consistent one. He has to improve his handle in traffic, specifically his left hand."

"While a little bit of improvement in Kentucky's floor spacing could have opened up the paint a little bit more for Randle and helped improve this number some, further refinement of his skills and becoming more comfortable using his right hand will be needed in the future as well."

"Russell also doesn’t use his right hand very much, either when finishing at the rim or attacking the basket off the dribble. When he does drive right, it’s almost always to set up a crossover back to his dominant left, which makes him somewhat predictable. He avoids using his right hand to finish at the rim at almost all costs, which plays a part in his inefficiency when doing so."

Ease up guys! What's with all the nitpicking and over-analyzing? These are college freshman. They all have areas to improve on. There's no need to point out any of their weaknesses.

[Unbreakable99]

So build the case for Ingram. If you don't want Ben Simmons at #1, there has to be an alternative that can stand up to the same critical lens. And that's my point. Ingram can be ripped apart even worse through criticism. And he doesn't even have the shield of an excellent freshman season to stand behind.

I would not characterize Simmons' freshman season as excellent. In fact, I'd call it very disappointing for many reasons but in particular, (1) he did not elevate his team's play or their success, (2) he found no way to exploit having defenders sag off of him, (3) he quit on his team and (4) he came very close to academic ineligibility.

Here's why I like Ingram #1.

(1) Ingram has elite length for a SG or SF. Only KD and Giannis are longer on the perimeter. Ingram has a decided length advantage over Wiggins.

(2) I like two way players. I like guys who can score on three levels on offense and I like guys who can switch on defense.

(3) I like guys who can excel at PNR on both ends. Ingram's handle and shooting paired with Embiid could become the most devastating offensive duo in a very long time.

(4) Ingram provides spacing. He must be guarded tightly on the perimeter. Hand checking rules will help his scoring efficiency because defenders are going to lunge and grab at him constantly.

(5) Ingram was challenged by a HOF Coach K who put the ball in Ingram's hands (25.6% USG) and trusted him (11.3% TOV).

(6) Ingram played heavy minutes in a short rotation and did not get into foul trouble.

(7) Ingram's game improved as the season went on and he is 14 months younger than Ben Simmons.

(8) Ingram was never accused of quitting.

(9) Ingram is on the record as being ready to play for whatever team drafts him.

(10) Coach K said not to be misled by Ingram's skinny frame. He is strong and aggressive. He will easily gain 25 lbs of muscle over his rookie contract.

Remember, we aren't drafting these guys for what they are right now; we are drafting them for what they will become after spending 6,000 minutes playing in the NBA. IMO, Ingram is a surefire all star when he's 22 year's old and 220 lbs.

Good reasoning. Good post. I still disagree though.

[Sundown]

Why do we say that Ingram is a two way player and Simmons isn't? The statistics from last year don't support that narrative. A lot of projection with Ingram and his defense.

[Sixerscan]

Let's just trade for #2 and everyone can be happy!

[Negrodamus]

:(

Doesn't look like it.



You're confident that Simmons can finish with his left hand even though out of all his one handed attempts, 95% of them were with his right hand? Even though when he drives left, jumps off his right foot, and the defender is on his right hand, thus all signs say "finish with your left!", he still forces up a right handed layup/floater? How is that nitpicking? It's pretty common for prospects to get called out for having a weak hand. It just so happens that in this case Simmons shoots jumpshots with that weak hand, which is the strange part. But it's pretty clear that as of now he has no confidence at all in finishing with his left. It's something he'll need to work on at the next level because those awkward right handed shots in situations where he should be finishing with his left won't be as effective against NBA defenders.

I'm not worried about it as I mentioned earlier. It's crazy the amount of over-analyzing that goes on about college freshmen. None of these kids are finished products and they all have to work on their games. They all have areas to improve on.

Also, there's a toothpick who played at Duke last year who couldn't finish at the rim with either his left or right hand.

"Fundamentally, Wiggins still has to refine and polish up his skills. He's a capable shooter, but not a consistent one. He has to improve his handle in traffic, specifically his left hand."

"While a little bit of improvement in Kentucky's floor spacing could have opened up the paint a little bit more for Randle and helped improve this number some, further refinement of his skills and becoming more comfortable using his right hand will be needed in the future as well."

"Russell also doesn’t use his right hand very much, either when finishing at the rim or attacking the basket off the dribble. When he does drive right, it’s almost always to set up a crossover back to his dominant left, which makes him somewhat predictable. He avoids using his right hand to finish at the rim at almost all costs, which plays a part in his inefficiency when doing so."

Ease up guys! What's with all the nitpicking and over-analyzing? These are college freshman. They all have areas to improve on. There's no need to point out any of their weaknesses.

I would love to see Ingram's left hand usage %. I feel like he was comfortable using either hand to finish, but just struggled with finishing through contact.

[76ciology]

Your opinions have been clearly stated. Many agree with you. Some do not but still respect your opinion. From my observation point, you are extrapolating too much of Simmons' college stats forward and assuming they will be transferable to the NBA. Ironically, lumping Angelo Russell into your justification weakens your overall argument for Ben Simmons, IMO.

Russell's pre-draft red flags, substandard athleticism, poor finishing, propensity to go left, weak defender, Diva mentality..., all showed up in spades during his rookie year. Frankly, Russell is more likely to bust than live up to your assessment of his potential. I am afraid Simmons is likely to follow his little buddy Angelo. If so, I hope that they can play together for LAL.

Meanwhile, showing some tolerance for opinions other than your own would be welcomed even if unexpected.

Go ahead and bust out Omar Little. We have three weeks to kill.

The thing that worries me is I kinda feel that his stats is misleading. Because he is basically a one man team with LSU so he can easily pad his rebound and assists numbers. I read that Simmons even plays C. It would have been an impressive feat but the team was a big disappointment.

Then if you watch the videos, you'll see most of his offense comes from transition. As per stats it's abnormally high at 26%. While you can clearly see that he is playing against really weak competition.

That 75FG% in the paint is also misleading. Because he only shot 55% in the paint at halfcourt setting. It was padded because of all the transition points he had (he had a lot of breakaway dunks).

It kinds of remind me of the trick Mudiay did playing in CBA. He opt for a weaker competition and with a more favorable environment to make him look good.

I really doubt Simmons' bully ball scoring will translate in the NBA, thus it will decrease ability to break down defense.

At 5.5apg/3.9TOg per 40, I don't think he will be efficient being a ball dominant player.

Simmons kind of reminds me of John Wall. A really talented player and can get you good stats but I'm not sure if he plays winning type basketball.

It's hard to discount Simmons' production in transition when one of the dude's strengths is he can rebound, start and finish the break. His play in the open court is a big part of his game.

Thus he reminds me of John Wall. They need to play at breakneck speed with average outside shot, thus leading to a not so efficient overall game (high TO),specially on halfcourt.

I expect Simmons to play bullyball and heavy mod range game on halfcourt. LBJ is a freight train so he's probably the only guy who can do that at will. You look at other elite wings like KD, George or Kawhi, and you'll see that it's difficult to play that kind of game unless you are as gifted as LBJ.

[Agnostifarian]

So build the case for Ingram. If you don't want Ben Simmons at #1, there has to be an alternative that can stand up to the same critical lens. And that's my point. Ingram can be ripped apart even worse through criticism. And he doesn't even have the shield of an excellent freshman season to stand behind.

I would not characterize Simmons' freshman season as excellent. In fact, I'd call it very disappointing for many reasons but in particular, (1) he did not elevate his team's play or their success, (2) he found no way to exploit having defenders sag off of him, (3) he quit on his team and (4) he came very close to academic ineligibility.

Here's why I like Ingram #1.

(1) Ingram has elite length for a SG or SF. Only KD and Giannis are longer on the perimeter. Ingram has a decided length advantage over Wiggins.

(2) I like two way players. I like guys who can score on three levels on offense and I like guys who can switch on defense.

(3) I like guys who can excel at PNR on both ends. Ingram's handle and shooting paired with Embiid could become the most devastating offensive duo in a very long time.

(4) Ingram provides spacing. He must be guarded tightly on the perimeter. Hand checking rules will help his scoring efficiency because defenders are going to lunge and grab at him constantly.

(5) Ingram was challenged by a HOF Coach K who put the ball in Ingram's hands (25.6% USG) and trusted him (11.3% TOV).

(6) Ingram played heavy minutes in a short rotation and did not get into foul trouble.

(7) Ingram's game improved as the season went on and he is 14 months younger than Ben Simmons.

(8) Ingram was never accused of quitting.

(9) Ingram is on the record as being ready to play for whatever team drafts him.

(10) Coach K said not to be misled by Ingram's skinny frame. He is strong and aggressive. He will easily gain 25 lbs of muscle over his rookie contract.

Remember, we aren't drafting these guys for what they are right now; we are drafting them for what they will become after spending 6,000 minutes playing in the NBA. IMO, Ingram is a surefire all star when he's 22 year's old and 220 lbs.

Good reasoning. Good post. I still disagree though.

Thank you. I actually like Ben Simmons a great deal. People are surely sick of me saying I want both players but that is my number one best hope.

Here's my main question for Ben Simmons: What will he do when he has the ball in his hands with 15 seconds left on the clock and we're down by two points? Barkley was a great player for 47.5 minutes but he was never a threat from the perimeter and we lost a ton of important games because of it. Barkley is the worst 3 point shooter in the history of the NBA with at least 1,000 attempts. Ben is a threat to eclipse Charles on that dubious front.

I appreciate your tolerance and respect your deference to Ben.

[Sixerscan]

The thing that worries me is I kinda feel that his stats is misleading. Because he is basically a one man team with LSU so he can easily pad his rebound and assists numbers. I read that Simmons even plays C. It would have been an impressive feat but the team was a big disappointment.

Then if you watch the videos, you'll see most of his offense comes from transition. As per stats it's abnormally high at 26%. While you can clearly see that he is playing against really weak competition.

That 75FG% in the paint is also misleading. Because he only shot 55% in the paint at halfcourt setting. It was padded because of all the transition points he had (he had a lot of breakaway dunks).

It kinds of remind me of the trick Mudiay did playing in CBA. He opt for a weaker competition and with a more favorable environment to make him look good.

I really doubt Simmons' bully ball scoring will translate in the NBA, thus it will decrease ability to break down defense.

At 5.5apg/3.9TOg per 40, I don't think he will be efficient being a ball dominant player.

Simmons kind of reminds me of John Wall. A really talented player and can get you good stats but I'm not sure if he plays winning type basketball.

It's hard to discount Simmons' production in transition when one of the dude's strengths is he can rebound, start and finish the break. His play in the open court is a big part of his game.

Thus he reminds me of John Wall. They need to play at breakneck speed with average outside shot, thus leading to a not so efficient overall game (high TO),specially on halfcourt.

I expect Simmons to play bullyball and heavy mod range game on halfcourt. LBJ is a freight train so he's probably the only guy who can do that at will. You look at other elite wings like KD, George or Kawhi, and you'll see that it's difficult to play that kind of game unless you are as gifted as LBJ.

He'll operate out of the high post where he can use his quickness and passing ability.

Of course okafor is also most effective out of the high post which is another reason to get rid of him.

[76ciology]

:(

I'm not worried about it as I mentioned earlier. It's crazy the amount of over-analyzing that goes on about college freshmen. None of these kids are finished products and they all have to work on their games. They all have areas to improve on.

Also, there's a toothpick who played at Duke last year who couldn't finish at the rim with either his left or right hand.

"Fundamentally, Wiggins still has to refine and polish up his skills. He's a capable shooter, but not a consistent one. He has to improve his handle in traffic, specifically his left hand."

"While a little bit of improvement in Kentucky's floor spacing could have opened up the paint a little bit more for Randle and helped improve this number some, further refinement of his skills and becoming more comfortable using his right hand will be needed in the future as well."

"Russell also doesn’t use his right hand very much, either when finishing at the rim or attacking the basket off the dribble. When he does drive right, it’s almost always to set up a crossover back to his dominant left, which makes him somewhat predictable. He avoids using his right hand to finish at the rim at almost all costs, which plays a part in his inefficiency when doing so."

Ease up guys! What's with all the nitpicking and over-analyzing? These are college freshman. They all have areas to improve on. There's no need to point out any of their weaknesses.

I would love to see Ingram's left hand usage %. I feel like he was comfortable using either hand to finish, but just struggled with finishing through contact.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/sam_vecenie/status/737900812286971904[/tweet]

The thing with Ingram is he doesn't shy away from contact. Once he gets stronger you won't doubt whether he can be a good finisher because he has freakish length, unlike DLO.

[FreesFro]

I've never seen Lebron give up an open dunk except maybe to a teammate for an open dunk when they were both on a 2 on zero fast break. That particular play by Simmons is something to scrutinize, giving up a dunk for 3 point attempt within the first 6 minutes of a game will not work in the NBA.

Hmm, really? Have you watched the Golden State Warriors play recently? Teams do it all the time these days. It's a new era. I don't like it, but it is what it is.

[Unbreakable99]

Here are Simmons' measurements. Since its in shoes that means his real height is about 6'9. Not bad.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/738041668860059648[/tweet]

[Sixerscan]

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Here are Simmons' measurements. Since its in shoes that means his real height is about 6'9. Not bad.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/738041668860059648[/tweet]

Among pfs drafted in the top 15:

Above average height and weight, wing is an inch below, reach is exactly average.

Obviously well above average for everything at the 3.

Hopefully people can stop citing those 8'7" reach numbers now.