Fantasy Trade Thread

BigSleep333 · Post #1821 » by **BigSleep333** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:25 am

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9h9e235

PHI sends: Covington, Fultz, PHI19
PHI gets: Butler

MIN sends: Butler, Dieng
MIN gets: Covington, Fultz, Koufos

SAC sends: Koufos
SAC gets: Dieng, PHI19

SparksFly87 · Post #1822 » by **SparksFly87** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:28 am

BigSleep333 wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9h9e235

PHI sends: Covington, Fultz, PHI19
PHI gets: Butler

MIN sends: Butler, Dieng
MIN gets: Covington, Fultz, Koufos

SAC sends: Koufos
SAC gets: Dieng, PHI19

Not doing that. Fultz and Roco are two of our best defenders .

BigSleep333 · Post #1823 » by **BigSleep333** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:30 am

SparksFly87 wrote:
BigSleep333 wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9h9e235

PHI sends: Covington, Fultz, PHI19
PHI gets: Butler

MIN sends: Butler, Dieng
MIN gets: Covington, Fultz, Koufos

SAC sends: Koufos
SAC gets: Dieng, PHI19

Not doing that. Fultz and Roco are two of our best defenders .

Butler is a great defender too and fultz is average at best on d.

Kobblehead · Post #1824 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:34 am

sixers238 wrote:We could’ve traded both for Kawhi, but decided to be frugal and hinge our chances at a third superstar on free agency next summer or Markelle Fultz.

Isn't that just what a message board user with like 200 posts said?

I highly doubt there's any validity to that seemingly ridiculously low price tag. All the reputable guys in the business said Spurs wanted Embiid or Simmons.

ProcessDoctor · Post #1825 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:56 am

Kobblehead wrote:
sixers238 wrote:We could’ve traded both for Kawhi, but decided to be frugal and hinge our chances at a third superstar on free agency next summer or Markelle Fultz.

Isn't that just what a message board user with like 200 posts said?

I highly doubt there's any validity to that seemingly ridiculously low price tag. All the reputable guys in the business said Spurs wanted Embiid or Simmons.

That message board user has been correct 100% of the time. People like Lowe and Chris Sheridan don't know anything of substance and have a much worse track record of accurate reporting.

ProcessDoctor · Post #1826 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:02 am

SparksFly87 wrote:
sixers238 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:They're both expendable because neither are playmakers. They're role players. Ideally, you want your role players cheap and with short term.

We could’ve traded both for Kawhi, but decided to be frugal and hinge our chances at a third superstar on free agency next summer or Markelle Fultz.

Not true. Spurs got a all Star in DeRozan.

We know Derozan is as fake of an all-star as it gets. He's a perennial underachiever and empty stats player. SA also traded Danny Green, who is definitely a positive asset. Covington + Saric + Bayless + MIA 1st for Kawhi alone would've been a better deal for SA than Derozan + Poetl + TOR 1st for Kawhi and Green.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that we low-balled San Antonio. Pop had every reason to deal Kawhi to his buddy BB, and if a similar deal to Toronto's was offered, Kawhi would be a sixer right now.

Kobblehead · Post #1827 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:57 pm

That user-suggested asking price from San Antonio seems blatantly fake. Maybe it would be more believable if the Raptors landed Kawhi and only gave up Norman Powell and Pascal Siakam or something. Except they had to give up Derozan. Which is more in line with the reputable reporting that said Spurs wouldn't do business without Simmons or Embiid.

ProcessDoctor · Post #1828 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:52 pm

Kobblehead wrote:That user-suggested asking price from San Antonio seems blatantly fake. Maybe it would be more believable if the Raptors landed Kawhi and only gave up Norman Powell and Pascal Siakam or something. Except they had to give up Derozan. Which is more in line with the reputable reporting that said Spurs wouldn't do business without Simmons or Embiid.

Believe whatever fits your narrative dude. You can go around in circles with circumstantial evidence to avoid the reality that a direct source told us we didn't offer Cov + Saric for Kawhi. The same source who told us BC was out days before it was announced, LeBron was only considering CLE and LAL, PG was likely going back to OKC, etc. If you prefer to believe a hack like Zach Lowe, who's only right about half the time, then you clearly just don't want to hear the truth.

Kobblehead · Post #1829 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:03 pm

Aren't you the one that got convinced through circumstantial evidence that a message board user with 200 posts is more connected than Woj? Literally all those cited reasons for proof were speculated on Twitter and message boards well before they happened. Anyone could exercise intuition by reading the tea leaves and make a prediction and claim a source was behind it if they wanted too.

ProcessDoctor · Post #1830 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:20 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Aren't you the one that got convinced through circumstantial evidence that a message board user with 200 posts is more connected than Woj? Literally all those cited reasons for proof were speculated on Twitter and message boards well before they happened. Anyone could exercise intuition by reading the tea leaves and make a prediction and claim a source was behind it if they wanted too.

Woj never said the Spurs would only deal for Simmons or Embiid. Zach Lowe is the only source for that rumor.

Your theory doesn't hold true because that source has yet to be incorrect. If he/she were just "reading the tea leaves" there's a good chance they would've predicted something incorrect by now. fl311 carried that offseason thread before Kawhi was traded.

Kobblehead · Post #1831 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:24 pm

It's so improbable and easily claimed that I can't help but to remain skeptical. If he turns out to be legitimate, I don't care that I would have been wrong. I'm just not buying it right now. It seems inconceivable to think Brett would let a pair of role players stand in the way of him landing a superstar that he has a close relationship with.

ProcessDoctor · Post #1832 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:26 pm

Kobblehead wrote:It's so improbable and easily claimed that I can't help but to remain skeptical. If he turns out to be legitimate, I don't care that I would have been wrong. I'm just not buying it right now.

Be skeptical, but you've already been proven wrong because you claimed Woj and several reputable sources claimed SA only wanted Simmons or Embiid, but it was only Zach Lowe.

Edit: You have to remember, Brett has an emotional attachment to these players as their head coach. Again, you're assuming that Brett wouldn't hold back on trading those two for Kawhi, but the best source we have is claiming otherwise.

Kobblehead · Post #1833 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:41 pm

Being skeptical is usually the better route to take than being naive and gullible when it comes to message board users that claim to have sources. The legitimacy rate is ridiculously low.

Kobblehead · Post #1834 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:55 pm

So we have another ultimatum in this Butler saga. Wants to be moved by Friday. Asking price has to be at its lowest point thus far, I'd imagine.

the_process · Post #1835 » by **the_process** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:42 pm

Million Dollar Question:

If Minny said they would accept Chandler, Fultz, and Bayless for Butler and Dieng... would you do it?

SparksFly87 · Post #1836 » by **SparksFly87** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:44 pm

Fultz, Saric and Chandler for Butler . Yes.

No Dieng contract.

the_process · Post #1837 » by **the_process** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:00 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:Fultz, Saric and Chandler for Butler. Yes.

No Dieng contract.

And if Minny says no go without eating Dieng you pass?

Kobblehead · Post #1838 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:15 pm

The scary thing is that Jimmy Butler could wear down from star level before Dieng is even off the books. That's a really difficult ask. I'd probably say no.

Kobblehead · Post #1839 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:22 pm

I still prefer to trade for guys that fit and leave the potential irresistible talent acquisitions for summer signings. If we're going to swing for a splash, just get on the phone with Mitch about Kemba Walker.

Kobblehead · Post #1840 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:28 pm

Kemba would slay with Embiid and Simmons. And we'd be the #1 seed in the East.

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