Around the League - 2019-2020

[76ciology]

Let me chime in on the BC conversation. The points made that he blew it twice with the first pick are quite valid. As a Sixer fan I cringe whenever I think how we should have just stood pat and drafted Tatum with the 3. Imagine this team with him at the PF next to Jo. No doubt in my mind this team would be better than a 6 seed. Perhaps much better. The domino effect. The Harris trade (and subsequent monster contract) probably doesn't happen. With a team that can truly contend (less turmoil as well) Butler might still be here. Not likely we spend the fortune on Horford to back up Jo. Fultz was a disaster and it especially galls me that Danny Ainge got the best of us. However, not to defend BC but the job (and presence) of a GM is more than draft night or trades. In the case of BC (and I hate him too) he has forged relationships throughout the league, with players and with many agents and that's attractive to some owners out there. He does understand through experience and pedigree the day to day nuts and bolts of the job and so by his name and contacts I can see some teams being interested in him although I wouldn't be.

You're point about him being connected with players and agents is true, but man, he didn't really do anything in that regard either. If your best non-draft move as GM is getting Ilyasova or Belinelli off the buyout market, then you're not really making big moves.

Whoops, I overlooked JJ Redick who is honestly set for life because of the money the Sixers gave him. Guy is a great shooter, but that's about it.

JJ had an impact of a star with our team. He pretty much played the beta role with Ben as the glue guy for the longest time. He was so good that Biid looks really pissed that we let him go.

[76ciology]

Regarding the Fultz and JJ additions. Try to check the general sentiment of this board after we made those moves.

Fultz had a bizarre injury that nobody could have predicted. You can say you were always a Tatum over Fultz guy, but it’s not because you have foreseen that Fultz will have that bizarre injury. After the Fultz trade, everyone was praising the trade. Nobody in the right state of mind (well atleast for guys who knows basketball) who would pick Fultz over Tatum. I’ll go as far as to say that that majority would even prefer Josh Jackson over Tatum.

Then JJ, he was worth all the money after we got ourselves fooled that top tier FAs would consider signing with us. JJ is close to as good as it gets with the money. He and Jojo carried our offense. He and Jojo were the guys we look at when we need offense in crunch time. The Jojo-JJ DHO is one of the most lethal 2 man actions in the league. Sure Jj was a liability in that celtics series but that changed the next season.

[76ciology]

Im not going much further with the BC over Hinkie. All i can say is that our emotions may be preventing us from seeing reality like pointing out the bad moves of a guy instead of focusing on what he has done.

And quite frankly, it’s hard to reply to multiple people being in the minority of ONE

So if you want to base it on the consensus of this board, yeah you guys are right about Hinkie. Just hope that he gets a job in this league after all the things (good and bad) he has done with our team.

[youngcrev]

Let me chime in on the BC conversation. The points made that he blew it twice with the first pick are quite valid. As a Sixer fan I cringe whenever I think how we should have just stood pat and drafted Tatum with the 3. Imagine this team with him at the PF next to Jo. No doubt in my mind this team would be better than a 6 seed. Perhaps much better. The domino effect. The Harris trade (and subsequent monster contract) probably doesn't happen. With a team that can truly contend (less turmoil as well) Butler might still be here. Not likely we spend the fortune on Horford to back up Jo. Fultz was a disaster and it especially galls me that Danny Ainge got the best of us. However, not to defend BC but the job (and presence) of a GM is more than draft night or trades. In the case of BC (and I hate him too) he has forged relationships throughout the league, with players and with many agents and that's attractive to some owners out there. He does understand through experience and pedigree the day to day nuts and bolts of the job and so by his name and contacts I can see some teams being interested in him although I wouldn't be.

Bodner recently did a what if they never traded up for Fultz piece. The Sixers ending up with Tatum wasn't a very likely scenario. Minus the trade up, Boston most likely just takes him #1. Hard to say whether LA goes Lonzo or Fultz, so you might just end up with the same player, but still have that pick you traded to move up. Or maybe you end up with a different bust like Josh Jackson (the guy that was most mocked to them at #3 prior to the trade).

[Negrodamus]

Let me chime in on the BC conversation. The points made that he blew it twice with the first pick are quite valid. As a Sixer fan I cringe whenever I think how we should have just stood pat and drafted Tatum with the 3. Imagine this team with him at the PF next to Jo. No doubt in my mind this team would be better than a 6 seed. Perhaps much better. The domino effect. The Harris trade (and subsequent monster contract) probably doesn't happen. With a team that can truly contend (less turmoil as well) Butler might still be here. Not likely we spend the fortune on Horford to back up Jo. Fultz was a disaster and it especially galls me that Danny Ainge got the best of us. However, not to defend BC but the job (and presence) of a GM is more than draft night or trades. In the case of BC (and I hate him too) he has forged relationships throughout the league, with players and with many agents and that's attractive to some owners out there. He does understand through experience and pedigree the day to day nuts and bolts of the job and so by his name and contacts I can see some teams being interested in him although I wouldn't be.

You're point about him being connected with players and agents is true, but man, he didn't really do anything in that regard either. If your best non-draft move as GM is getting Ilyasova or Belinelli off the buyout market, then you're not really making big moves.

Whoops, I overlooked JJ Redick who is honestly set for life because of the money the Sixers gave him. Guy is a great shooter, but that's about it.

JJ had an impact of a star with our team. He pretty much played the beta role with Ben as the glue guy for the longest time. He was so good that Biid looks really pissed that we let him go.

He was targeted every time on defense against Boston in the playoffs. Was a role player against Toronto. He was a good regular season player, but he disappeared when we were playing legit playoff teams in the second round. I'd hardly call him a star. I think he's a beneficiary of Brett's system: run him in the DHO with the best center in the league. Problem is, he's not a particularly great ball handler, doesn't have great vision, and isn't the best at finishing near the basket/drawing a foul. Just a continuation of the FO trying to fit a square peg in Brett's round hole.... hmm, that came out wrong.

[Kobblehead]

We were effed no matter what in 2017 because if we stayed at #3, we would have likely taken Malik Monk.

There's no real smoke that we had any strong ties to Fox, Mitchell or Tatum.

[Phillyboy]

We were effed no matter what in 2017 because if we stayed at #3, we would have likely taken Malik Monk.

There's no real smoke that we had any strong ties to Fox, Mitchell or Tatum.

If BC would have chosen Monk over Tatum with the 3 pick then he would have been a fool. Instead he doubled down on fool by trading up for Fultz. Good riddance to him. If other team's like his pedigree then let them show their foolishness as well. A perfect fit.

[Kobblehead]

I don't think Tatum was ever going to be in play at #3 for us.

I think if Boston stays at #1, they take Tatum. If Fultz all the sudden is on the board at #2, I think the Lakers front office stymies the hype on Lonzo and they take him.

The Colangelos definitely wanted no parts of Lonzo. I think they just take Monk in that scenario.

[Negrodamus]

I would think Colangelo would trade down before taking Monk at 3. I think he likely saw it as a go for a homerun type player that defines his reputation as Sixers GM or try to pull off the 5 and 10 for 3 and a future first and spread out the liability. Definitely should have chosen the latter.

[Kobblehead]

Hot take (this one's for you, 76iology):

Off of the pure logic of valuing star talents over glue guys, taking Fultz #1 in 2017 was still a better swing than taking Simmons #1 in 2016.

[Kobblehead]

Is there anything worth looking into with Anthony Davis putting his L.A. mansion up for sale?

[youngcrev]

Could be worse than Fultz from a selection stand point. At least they were able to get that OKC 1st out of that mess. The Suns had to give up a little value to get off Josh Jackson.

[youngcrev]

Strong troll job by JJ going on Sixer beat. It's a shame Spike had to be such an immature baby about it rather than tip his cap. But then, that just wouldn't be on brand for him. Love the Ricky, but Spike's such a douche.

[Stanford]

Strong troll job by JJ going on Sixer beat. It's a shame Spike had to be such an immature baby about it rather than tip his cap. But then, that just wouldn't be on brand for him. Love the Ricky, but Spike's such a douche.

Lol I couldn't believe it when I saw it in my podcast feed. All in fun though. Made for an entertaining evening.

[Sixerscan]

Is there anything worth looking into with Anthony Davis putting his L.A. mansion up for sale?

Not unless you're looking into buying his house.

[76ciology]

Hot take (this one's for you, 76iology):

Off of the pure logic of valuing star talents over glue guys, taking Fultz #1 in 2017 was still a better swing than taking Simmons #1 in 2016.

True.

Before the draft, Fultz has way less holes to his game than Ben. If I have to describe Fultz, I’m almost describing what my ideal model of a modern PG looks like. From being able to play on and off the ball, 3 level scoring, iso, PnR and multi positional offense and defense. I know you are not fond of him, but on paper he checked all the boxes and its more of player development.

While Ben, his shooting hand is almost as bizzare as Fultz’ injury. Usually people’s strongest point was “he is a very special player.” I mean, even BC described him that in one of the podcast. And at that point, my heart broke because I knew he was going to draft him. Special just means you are unique. And being unique isnt always a good thing. In drafting it’s better to fit the ideal model of what the game favors for than going against it and being called as special.

Anyway, I’m glad with how Ben played since this 2020 started. Probably one of the best thing that happened to mankind in the world this year, considering all the bad stuffs like the Corona virus lol

[76ciology]

Strong troll job by JJ going on Sixer beat. It's a shame Spike had to be such an immature baby about it rather than tip his cap. But then, that just wouldn't be on brand for him. Love the Ricky, but Spike's such a douche.

Yup. I think JJ was really hurt with us not re-signing him, so i think it has some legs us to why Biid was not happy to start the season. You can say the same thing with Jimmy.

If you were to ask me. If we opt to re-sign both Jj and Jimmy, that means goodbye to Ben. If not in 2019-2020, then in the years ahead. Because no way Ben’s people would want him to play the 6’9” version of DeAndre Jordan looking for lobs in the dunker spot while we run our offense in the hands of Jimmy, Biid and Jj.

And in the long run, we will suffer from that given Jj and jimmy’s age and Biid’s health.

[76ciology]

Is there anything worth looking into with Anthony Davis putting his L.A. mansion up for sale?

How can he not want to stay in LA? The only city that could maybe beat that is Miami.

[76ciology]

I don't think Tatum was ever going to be in play at #3 for us.

I think if Boston stays at #1, they take Tatum. If Fultz all the sudden is on the board at #2, I think the Lakers front office stymies the hype on Lonzo and they take him.

The Colangelos definitely wanted no parts of Lonzo. I think they just take Monk in that scenario.

I believe Biid said in an interview that we were looking at Josh Jackson or Tatum at number 3. It was a pre draft interview so maybe it changed during draft night. I think its Jackson.

[Kobblehead]

I believe Biid said in an interview that we were looking at Josh Jackson or Tatum at number 3. It was a pre draft interview so maybe it changed during draft night. I think its Jackson.

I think the Josh Jackson stuff was more fan-driven. I recall reports coming out before the draft that the Colangelos took him off their board altogether because they had major concerns with his entourage.