Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason

[Kobblehead]

Ben for all his flaws is a better, smarter and more impactful basketball player.

That's the tradeoff.

You give up Ben who is a higher "singular impact on winning" guy for someone that can actually take us to the next level as a scorer.

[LloydFree]

Lavine should be on the avoid at all costs list if the idea is about acquiring him to be anything more than a 6th man / microwave scorer in the Burks/Clarkson vein. He's a perennial loser.

That's what they said about Devin Booker, too. Now he's on one of the best teams in the NBA.

I've never said that about Booker. And Booker like other scorers that have played on poor, talent deprived NBA teams (Beal and Pre-Lebron Cavs Kyrie) have delivered winning metrics in the minutes they can control.

Lavine tanks lineups and has been his entire career. Not being able to secure even a 10 seed in the state of this eastern conference with some alright players around him is honestly embarrassing. Ben for all his flaws is a better, smarter and more impactful basketball player.

I agree that Lavine has tanked lineups in his career, but Beal isnt much better, IMO. In fact Beal is exponentially more overrated than Lavine at the moment. Neither player should be mentioned in Kyrie Irving class though.

But I'll give Lavine credit for clear improvement this year. He does make some attempt to facilitate and occasionally play some defense now.

[stormi]

I also think Beal is somewhat overrated. I'm not on the "trade Ben for ppg man at all costs" train. Ben Simmons as our singular most valuable asset to bring a championship caliber co-star for Joel Embiid has to be moved for an elite scoring + facilitating guard.

Not Beal's, McCollum's, Lavine's. We need a De'Aaron Fox or a Damian Lillard. I love that we tried for James Harden who also fits that archetype.

[Kobblehead]

Then we have to give up Simmons + draft picks.

I'd rather just swap Ben and possibly even get picks in return.

[stormi]

Acquiring a franchise changing talent >>> cutting corners to preserve menial assets

[the_process]

I also think Beal is somewhat overrated. I'm not on the "trade Ben for ppg man at all costs" train. Ben Simmons as our singular most valuable asset to bring a championship caliber co-star for Joel Embiid has to be moved for an elite scoring + facilitating guard.

Not Beal's, McCollum's, Lavine's. We need a De'Aaron Fox or a Damian Lillard. I love that we tried for James Harden who also fits that archetype.

Those guys aren’t available, though.

[stormi]

Players consistently become available. You only target Lavine tier players in-season because the actual difference makers ie: the Leonard's, Irving's, CP3's, Davis', Butler's etc found their homes during the summer.

[76ciology]

Is Anthony Edwards and a pick for Ben still on the table? Because I’d like to do it despite the fact that we’re giving up an All NBA team and DPOY candidate caliber player.

[the_process]

Assuming CLE would do it… would you trade Tobias, 28, and a 2023 1st to CLE for Love and Sexton?

[76ciology]

Pacers:
ben simmons
Tobias harris

Why:
Pacers is a franchise that just want to sell tickets. Ben could compliment around a stretch 5 big in turner and a couple of 20ppg players in Warren and Tobias.

Sixers:
Brogdon
Sabonis

Two 20ppg star caliber scorers to help Embiid, it allows more rest time for Embiid. Those two gives you better spacing than Tobi and Ben combined.

Brogdon
Milton
Green
Sabonis
Embiid

Sixers Starting 5
Brogdon
Milton
Green
Sabonis
Embiid

[76ciology]

Ben for Julius Randle.

Don’t make me lie on why the Knicks have to do it.

Ok.. They’re getting an All NBA and All Defensive team caliber player.

I’d then trade Tobi for Love and Sexton. I may even not trade Tobi because Randle and Tobi can space the floor for Embiid.

[76ciology]

Wolves:
Ben, Sixers 2021 and 2023 1st round pick

Sixers:
DLo and 2020 Wolves top 3 pick

Ive floated this idea before but DLo looks OK now, so this maybe OK.

We could try DLo-Biid duo. If this does not work we still have the kid we’d draft with the top 3 pick which we can trade for some better guy down the road

[the_process]

Ben for Julius Randle.

Don’t make me lie on why the Knicks have to do it.

Ok.. They’re getting an All NBA and All Defensive team caliber player.

I’d then trade Tobi for Love and Sexton. I may even not trade Tobi because Randle and Tobi can space the floor for Embiid.

Simmons making 3rd team last year was absolutely fraudulent and driven by guilt from sportswriters that contract bonuses are tied to their decisions.

[76ciology]

Jaren Jackson
Melton
Cap space

for

Ben Simmons

Sixers got a promising player who can play GREAT defense, shoot and score. And still has a lot of upside.

If Hollinger denies this, it means ben’s analytics isnt really good.

[76ciology]

DeAndre Hunter (great shooter and can run PnR)
Bogdan Bogdanovic (4th pick in 2020 can shoot and play D)
2021 1st round pick

For

Ben Simmons

Maxey
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Hunter
Tobias
Biid

Ben is a perfect fit for Trae and Hawks will overpay for that.

DeAndre Hunter is a promising player so is bogdan bogdanovic (when healthy), both can shoot and score. It also unlocks Maxey.

[cool93]

I think Ben would and should be only traded as part of a package for a star

[DCasey91]

Is Anthony Edwards and a pick for Ben still on the table? Because I’d like to do it despite the fact that we’re giving up an All NBA team and DPOY candidate caliber player.

I’d prefer Jalen Green over Antman if I was to pick a super young player. (I have Green firmly ahead of Edwards as a prospect).

Lillard is the one that gives us the biggest boost to our ceiling.

Ben + Maxey (I know it sucks) + two 1sts might entice the Blazers to restart.

Or Ben + Harris + Thybulle and two 1sts for Lillard/Cov and change.

There’s 3 roads to take:

1. Go super young (Green/Ant)
2. Go middle/star (McCollum/Lavine/Beal/Ingram)
3. Go for the best if available (Lillard)

Morey will crunch the numbers and see where it leads to.
We overpay players in free agency because we aren’t a big destination. So I’d rather go big or go home.

[Rastas]

Is Anthony Edwards and a pick for Ben still on the table? Because I’d like to do it despite the fact that we’re giving up an All NBA team and DPOY candidate caliber player.

I’d prefer Jalen Green over Antman if I was to pick a super young player. (I have Green firmly ahead of Edwards as a prospect).

Lillard is the one that gives us the biggest boost to our ceiling.

Ben + Maxey (I know it sucks) + two 1sts might entice the Blazers to restart.

Or Ben + Harris + Thybulle and two 1sts for Lillard/Cov and change.

There’s 3 roads to take:

1. Go super young (Green/Ant)
2. Go middle/star (McCollum/Lavine/Beal/Ingram)
3. Go for the best if available (Lillard)

Morey will crunch the numbers and see where it leads to.
We overpay players in free agency because we aren’t a big destination. So I’d rather go big or go home.

Your last point is very vital.
None of the true top talents of the league are interested in playing in Philly.
Probably most of the All Star level guys also.
However the up n coming younger guys and players of say 'Tobi's' caliber, are more into looking for play opportunities to generate a chance at a bigger next deal - these guys are open to come here.

So reality dictates waiting to trade Ben for a true superstar is fools gold.
If it magically happens then just like Toronto that superstar will most likely disappear once his contract is up.
Almost every team would give you one or two decent players and a pick or 2 for Ben, so many options if you stop thinking about a superstar in return.

[76ciology]

I think Ben would and should be only traded as part of a package for a star

Guys like Anthony Edwards or Jaren Jackson can be future all stars. A lottery pick can also be a future allstar. Guys like Donatas Sabonis or Julius Randle are allstars.

[Foshan]

I saw a fan post somewhere Edwards + Rubio + Pick depending on the pick...

haha look at us philly fans... top of the east, winning streak... LET"S BLOW IT UP! lol