Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[Sixerscan]

I guess some of the Ben fans here are really angry that Morey won't budge to the desires of their fragile narcissistic prince and are coming up with all sorts of rationalizations lol.

Seriously... "make Simmons suffer" lol you mean make him honor his contract and play basketball for the team unless and until he gets a trade that makes sense just like everyone else.

[Mik317]

again never Ben's fault.

The constant attempts to place the majority of the blame on everyone but Ben is transparent as hell (note I said majority; everyone has **** up in someway during this mess). Again Again...I don't fully blame Ben for wanting out. That was a legendary implosion and like Fultz before him a fresh start would probably be for the best. However, he is not the victim here....no one is really. He has 4 more years left on his contract. I am often for player empowerment. However most of the time its dudes near the end of their contract and dudes who have put in work and have established themselves...and never guys who are coming off a major implosion. I hate the phrase but...he has to man up; get some gold bond.

and ignoring all of this...he and his team have simply done this the wrong way lol. Like even if its all bull; the back and mental stuff should have been used from the start instead of the constant contradictory leaks and threats. If they had used the mental health bomb right after the loss...more people would have been on his side and took it seriously..because yeah I'd be a mental wreck after that **** too. Pulling that now after claiming you didn't care about fines, only to relent after the first fine, and then realizing that you still might have to show your face...doesn't really help your case yknow lol.

[eyeatoma]

again never Ben's fault.

The constant attempts to place the majority of the blame on everyone but Ben is transparent as hell (note I said majority; everyone has **** up in someway during this mess). Again Again...I don't fully blame Ben for wanting out. That was a legendary implosion and like Fultz before him a fresh start would probably be for the best. However, he is not the victim here....no one is really. He has 4 more years left on his contract. I am often for player empowerment. However most of the time its dudes near the end of their contract and dudes who have put in work and have established themselves...and never guys who are coming off a major implosion. I hate the phrase but...he has to man up; get some gold bond.

and ignoring all of this...he and his team have simply done this the wrong way lol. Like even if its all bull; the back and mental stuff should have been used from the start instead of the constant contradictory leaks and threats. If they had used the mental health bomb right after the loss...more people would have been on his side and took it seriously..because yeah I'd be a mental wreck after that **** too. Pulling that now after claiming you didn't care about fines, only to relent after the first fine, and then realizing that you still might have to show your face...doesn't really help your case yknow lol.

It really is the most poorly executed exit plan I've seen for a player ever in the NBA. Klutch is supposed to be this dominant agency, but they seem so pedestrian with this shite. Ben has had terrible advice, and he continues to surround himself with people that coddle him. I guarantee you the NBA is in support of Morey, which is something I don't think I'd have ever said after the pro Hong Kong/ authoritarian China comments but this has huge ramifications for the CBA if Ben gets his way. The NBA will do everything in its power to make sure Ben honors his deal, or that the sixers get a reasonable return.

[Bum Adebayo]

I am often for player empowerment.

Why? we should be all for "nobody" empowerment. What is this **** about someone being more empowered than others?

[Bum Adebayo]

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Yes Givony saying Bum Simmons acted like a primadonna amazing!

[zaz102]

I am often for player empowerment.

Why? we should be all for "nobody" empowerment. What is this **** about someone being more empowered than others?

Player empowerment can make sense. That the reason why there's a player association and guaranteed contracts. Empowerment doesn't mean having all the power.

That being said, Ben has it pretty good. Guaranteed a job for top money. I feel like the teams need empowerment in these cases so their not losing top players to wherever they want to go and forcing their team to get pennies on the dollar or else certain teams will never be able to compete.

[Sixerscan]

I am often for player empowerment.

Why? we should be all for "nobody" empowerment. What is this **** about someone being more empowered than others?

The alternative isn't "nobody" it's the owners/league. The league generates billions of dollars, someone has to get that. You tune in to watch basketball players play basketball not watch the owners run a successful business.

Not that there's no limit to how much power the players should have (and the owners obviously deserve their fair share too) but it's good the players have more agency than they used to, and I think it's worked out well for the owners from a business standpoint too.

[Kobblehead]

Givony is ordering himself bouquets of flowers by the truckload!

[Eyeamok]

I guess some of the Ben fans here are really angry that Morey won't budge to the desires of their fragile narcissistic prince and are coming up with all sorts of rationalizations lol.

Seriously... "make Simmons suffer" lol you mean make him honor his contract and play basketball for the team unless and until he gets a trade that makes sense just like everyone else.

Lovely post. You know probably the biggest problem in all of this is no one has ever said "No!" to Ben on anything that has mattered. Morey is probably the first person that has stood up to him. It amazes me that Ben wants to get paid but does not want to play. He wants to be anywhere else but philly. If this is the case then quit, retire for 4 years or go home without pay. But you still want to collect and cash those checks. Amazing.

[Hipster Doofus]

I am often for player empowerment.

Why? we should be all for "nobody" empowerment. What is this **** about someone being more empowered than others?

Too much empowerment in the world, if you ask me.

[Mik317]

Sans maybe Harden and Kawhii feels like most teams have gotten good-great packages for their stars and those two were only "bad' due to petty reasons lol.

But its a two way street... I think in most of these cases; its less of "let me go where I want or else" and more "hey I'mma bounce in a year or two either way...get it over with now or lose me for nothing later". Also The Rockets at reached their ceiling and the Pels were and still are a **** show. Wanting out in those situations are valid IMO (Harden showing up in a fat suit was pretty bad tho and disrespectful to his teammates especially Wall and Cousins; the latter who may be out of the league now because of it).

There needs to be a delicate balance basically. I don't mind players wanting out....but not after getting the bag and having 4 more years. If Ben pulled this with 2 years left on his contract, I'd be a bit more understanding. But again the main difference is that most players who ask out tend to have not come off one of their worst performances tho. Like imagine if Paul George asked for a trade after his bubble performance.....he'd get murked for that. Hell if Ben was honest and simply said "hey after that I think I need a new start to get myself right" (which he did kinda but only after 4345345 other reasons including the weird we were too good too soon ****) again people might have had some sympathy....but right now it just reads like he realizes that going forward he won't be able to "get away" with basically being the same player he has been for 4 years and might have to have some accountability...and he is running away from that...which is just lame lol.

[UptownPhilly]

Part VII here we come!

[Kobblehead]

Can we just get Glenn and Paul George to talk it out?

[the_process]

Can we get Morey to accept taking a chance on a talented young player with demonstrable skills that help the team now while still possessing a lot of upside counts as a "difference maker"?

I mean, they're already using bad math if they have Embiid-Simmons-Harris with > 0 title odds.

[fkd215]

I am often for player empowerment.

Why? we should be all for "nobody" empowerment. What is this **** about someone being more empowered than others?

The alternative isn't "nobody" it's the owners/league. The league generates billions of dollars, someone has to get that. You tune in to watch basketball players play basketball not watch the owners run a successful business.

Not that there's no limit to how much power the players should have (and the owners obviously deserve their fair share too) but it's good the players have more agency than they used to, and I think it's worked out well for the owners from a business standpoint too.

My pipe dream solution to this problem would be a fully player/employee-owned league. Compensation would be a flat percentage of league revenue plus heavy incentives for individual and team performance. And teams would be made up of players from that geographical area, adjusted for population density. You’d have full player empowerment, full player responsibility. Every game would matter. And as a fan you’d be rooting for people you might have grown up with. Obviously it’ll never happen, but it'd be fun.

[zaz102]

Can we just get Glenn and Paul George to talk it out?

Coach Rivers has been traded before...

[Skates]

Part VII here we come!

This is the best part of the whole mess and clearly a RealGM conspiracy to increase user traffic for ad money, hence they and we as posters are the true villains, not poor Ben

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[Murray_17]

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I just don't understand his approach anymore.

If he did this from the begining there would be no problem and i bet Morey would have helped him to find a team