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CoreyGallagher wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/xylondimoff/status/689548431962992640[/tweet]
http://hoop76.com/quick-chat-jahlil-okafors-defense/
Worth reading, presents the good and the bad.
rzzzzz wrote:CoreyGallagher wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/xylondimoff/status/689548431962992640[/tweet]
http://hoop76.com/quick-chat-jahlil-okafors-defense/
Worth reading, presents the good and the bad.
i don't get why Brett was all for working Jah at the 4 and then changes his mind. Last year he worked Noel at the 4, even though Noel is clearly a 5, because of his anticipation of the return of Embiid. With both Embiid and Noel, how can he not be thinking of working Jah at the 4?
76ciology wrote:I think i get it. Jah's game in general is limited with his conditioning. In theory, if fatigue is not a factor, I think he can easily average 30ppg/10+rpg/1-2bpg. He's a more efficient scorer (shooting at 60+FG%)and makes the team's defense better (on court defense much better w/him on court this jan.)when he's playing with more energy (lesser minutes at 27mpg and lesser post plays; see shot chart for shot distribution;).
If you let him chase opposing 4s. Yes, he I don't think he'd be a horrible defender atleast on a team concept with Noel in the paint and him taking less responsibility to anchor the team's defense and rebounding. But it's going to use a lot of energy from him on the defensive end that may limit his scoring. And if you combine that with our team's horrible shooters, below average playmaker/ball handler wings and negative offensive player in Noel, it may hurt the team more. Making him a huge negative on both ends.
While at C. It's workable and you meet halfway. He plays zone defense, where he's good in limiting opponent's FG% at the rim. And at the same time, provides you a dynamic (multiple options) star caliber scoring option on the offensive end. It's a similar concept with other scorers like Melo, AI or Dirk. Where the team hides their flaw and let them provide reliable scoring on the other end.
Nevertheless, Jah needs to improve his conditioning (my guess is losing weight) and having a more reliable jumper.
rzzzzz wrote:76ciology wrote:I think i get it. Jah's game in general is limited with his conditioning. In theory, if fatigue is not a factor, I think he can easily average 30ppg/10+rpg/1-2bpg. He's a more efficient scorer (shooting at 60+FG%)and makes the team's defense better (on court defense much better w/him on court this jan.)when he's playing with more energy (lesser minutes at 27mpg and lesser post plays; see shot chart for shot distribution;).
If you let him chase opposing 4s. Yes, he I don't think he'd be a horrible defender atleast on a team concept with Noel in the paint and him taking less responsibility to anchor the team's defense and rebounding. But it's going to use a lot of energy from him on the defensive end that may limit his scoring. And if you combine that with our team's horrible shooters, below average playmaker/ball handler wings and negative offensive player in Noel, it may hurt the team more. Making him a huge negative on both ends.
While at C. It's workable and you meet halfway. He plays zone defense, where he's good in limiting opponent's FG% at the rim. And at the same time, provides you a dynamic (multiple options) star caliber scoring option on the offensive end. It's a similar concept with other scorers like Melo, AI or Dirk. Where the team hides their flaw and let them provide reliable scoring on the other end.
Nevertheless, Jah needs to improve his conditioning (my guess is losing weight) and having a more reliable jumper.
I agree, if we were actually competing. but if we're committed to developing and evaluating, while going for the best draft pick, i would think that pushing Jah on the court, judiciously, would be the major part of developing his stamina. and if we're going to carefully work in Joel next year, i think you plant him under the rim, rather than have him racing back and forth to the perimeter. so thats 3 amazing center prospects, none of whom being developed to co-exist on the floor with the others. i guess if we're confidant we'll get good quality in return for trades, it works out, but man, i would have loved to see them out on the court together, 2 at time. oh well.
rzzzzz wrote:76ciology wrote:I think i get it. Jah's game in general is limited with his conditioning. In theory, if fatigue is not a factor, I think he can easily average 30ppg/10+rpg/1-2bpg. He's a more efficient scorer (shooting at 60+FG%)and makes the team's defense better (on court defense much better w/him on court this jan.)when he's playing with more energy (lesser minutes at 27mpg and lesser post plays; see shot chart for shot distribution;).
If you let him chase opposing 4s. Yes, he I don't think he'd be a horrible defender atleast on a team concept with Noel in the paint and him taking less responsibility to anchor the team's defense and rebounding. But it's going to use a lot of energy from him on the defensive end that may limit his scoring. And if you combine that with our team's horrible shooters, below average playmaker/ball handler wings and negative offensive player in Noel, it may hurt the team more. Making him a huge negative on both ends.
While at C. It's workable and you meet halfway. He plays zone defense, where he's good in limiting opponent's FG% at the rim. And at the same time, provides you a dynamic (multiple options) star caliber scoring option on the offensive end. It's a similar concept with other scorers like Melo, AI or Dirk. Where the team hides their flaw and let them provide reliable scoring on the other end.
Nevertheless, Jah needs to improve his conditioning (my guess is losing weight) and having a more reliable jumper.
I agree, if we were actually competing. but if we're committed to developing and evaluating, while going for the best draft pick, i would think that pushing Jah on the court, judiciously, would be the major part of developing his stamina. and if we're going to carefully work in Joel next year, i think you plant him under the rim, rather than have him racing back and forth to the perimeter. so thats 3 amazing center prospects, none of whom being developed to co-exist on the floor with the others. i guess if we're confidant we'll get good quality in return for trades, it works out, but man, i would have loved to see them out on the court together, 2 at time. oh well.
Kolkmania wrote:rzzzzz wrote:76ciology wrote:I think i get it. Jah's game in general is limited with his conditioning. In theory, if fatigue is not a factor, I think he can easily average 30ppg/10+rpg/1-2bpg. He's a more efficient scorer (shooting at 60+FG%)and makes the team's defense better (on court defense much better w/him on court this jan.)when he's playing with more energy (lesser minutes at 27mpg and lesser post plays; see shot chart for shot distribution;).
If you let him chase opposing 4s. Yes, he I don't think he'd be a horrible defender atleast on a team concept with Noel in the paint and him taking less responsibility to anchor the team's defense and rebounding. But it's going to use a lot of energy from him on the defensive end that may limit his scoring. And if you combine that with our team's horrible shooters, below average playmaker/ball handler wings and negative offensive player in Noel, it may hurt the team more. Making him a huge negative on both ends.
While at C. It's workable and you meet halfway. He plays zone defense, where he's good in limiting opponent's FG% at the rim. And at the same time, provides you a dynamic (multiple options) star caliber scoring option on the offensive end. It's a similar concept with other scorers like Melo, AI or Dirk. Where the team hides their flaw and let them provide reliable scoring on the other end.
Nevertheless, Jah needs to improve his conditioning (my guess is losing weight) and having a more reliable jumper.
I agree, if we were actually competing. but if we're committed to developing and evaluating, while going for the best draft pick, i would think that pushing Jah on the court, judiciously, would be the major part of developing his stamina. and if we're going to carefully work in Joel next year, i think you plant him under the rim, rather than have him racing back and forth to the perimeter. so thats 3 amazing center prospects, none of whom being developed to co-exist on the floor with the others. i guess if we're confidant we'll get good quality in return for trades, it works out, but man, i would have loved to see them out on the court together, 2 at time. oh well.
Walking up and down the court for 40 minutes is not per definition tougher than actually competing for 25 minutes. Transforming Okafor into a modern 4 is not going to happen during a NBA season, modern NBA schedule does not allow that. If someone wants to work on their physical attributes, off-season is the time. Plus, pushing Okafor to the maximum limits of his body will result in poor performance. A huge part of development is mental, playing like absolute **** will hold most players back.
76ciology wrote:Someone pointed out here that maybe Jah missed games to adjust to D'Antoni's system. Well, looking at it, seems like there's some legs to it. He's playing differently, in a good way, since dec 30.
76ciology wrote:[
I think i get it. Jah's game in general is limited with his conditioning. In theory, if fatigue is not a factor, I think he can easily average 30ppg/10+rpg/1-2bpg.
dbodner wrote:76ciology wrote:[
I think i get it. Jah's game in general is limited with his conditioning. In theory, if fatigue is not a factor, I think he can easily average 30ppg/10+rpg/1-2bpg.
holy crap. What?
76ciology wrote:dbodner wrote:76ciology wrote:[
I think i get it. Jah's game in general is limited with his conditioning. In theory, if fatigue is not a factor, I think he can easily average 30ppg/10+rpg/1-2bpg.
holy crap. What?
30 because..
1.) he's shown ability to score around 15ppg efficiently in 1st halves in some games.
2.) BB said he can score 20 in his sleep (current condition; should increase "if fatigue is not a factor").
10+ rebs because..
1.) He averaged 8rpg in around 30mpg in nov/dec, it will increase with better conditioning (almost 10rpg per 36).
1-2bpg
1.) He averaged almost 2bpg (1.7bpg) in 16games in november. Not impossible to happen.
It's just a theory, where Jah has elite NBA conditioning ("fatigue is not a factor". Where my main point is, he has the tools/skillset to get those kind of numbers but is largely hindered by his conditioning that is a mix of physique, responsibility and minutes.
Agnostifarian wrote:OK4 could have his first 30+ point game tonight against ORL.
mksp wrote:When is he going to start rebounding like a 5?
76ciology wrote:Jahlil Okafor has been limiting his opponent's to -10.4FG% at shots under 6ft & has been averaging 103.3DRTG since Ish.
http://stats.nba.com/league/player/defense/#!/lt6/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=12%2F30%2F2015
SparksFly87 wrote:Towns got boat feet and gets off the ground very slow with a lack of explosiveness . He is a rich mans Henry Sims to me. No thanks .
76ciology wrote:mksp wrote:When is he going to start rebounding like a 5?
He's static, slow or methodical in boxing people out. It's easy to get into good rebounding position when he box you out just by frantic movements or more aggressive pushing (see Tristan Thompson and Noah match-ups) . Another complain I have is that he likes to rebound with one arm while grabbing the rebound with the other arm that usually opponent's deflects out of his hand. My advise, use your 6 fouls Jah. Stop trying to play defense like it's WNBA and start being more physical and play like it's UFC or like it's at the streets of Boston. After a whole life of trying to stay in the game and not getting into foul trouble in order to carry the team's offense, physicality on the defensive end is part of his game that he haven't improved.