Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho

[Mik317]

as with everything the answer lies somewhere in the middle of Ben is a God who can do no wrong and we should suck his dick and Ben is the WOAT who couldn't even hang in China.

all of it is moot for us tho as the fact remains he chose to sit out. That's it thats all. Regradless of whose "fault" it is...he chose to sit out. So regardless if we need him or not...he chose this path. Like even if Doc's comments were wrong (and while I think Glennard sucks...all he said was he doesn't know if Ben is a championship PG...which he is at the very least not at this very moment; literally or skills wise). Or even if Biid "through him under the bus" (which again if you actually read the full comment, you'd see everyone was under that bus with him and I'm sorry that play was in fact the turning point). Or maybe its the fans (who do suck...but fans suck all over the place Benjamin). Or maybe it's the fit...(which sure I guess but stats say otherwise...even with the playoff issues...team generally has lost most series due to lack of depth, experience in year one and an all time shot in year two). So for what reason is he really sitting out? He's given all of the above, walked many of them back via his mouthpieces the moment it became clear that didn't play well. Now we are on mental health...which as a person who suffers from it himself...fam I don't think being traded is going to help either. The spotlight will be brighter on him...especially if he still doesn't shoot, and even more so in the playoffs....which is the real star of this show. He has to start shooting the damn ball. Thats all thats it...and he doesn't want to and thinks that by being traded he wouldn't have to...which is...just not happening. Giannis is bigger and better than him and even he had to start shooting a bit.

I don't get Ben's endgame here. But it is moot as stated as there is no path back ( I guess he could make Rich Paul the villian but idk if anyone will buy that and again he has to come back a changed man...which just isn't happening overnight).

but yeah who cares if he sucks or doesn't suck at this stage....dude made his choice, which is why I have no clue why any Sixers fan would defend dude at this stage. He don't want you, man. Doesn't mean the "BEN SIMMONS IS A BITCH WHO PUNCHED MY DOG" brigade is any better tho.

[Kobblehead]

Ben might not punch your dog, but if your dog walked up to him with his ears pinned back wanting Ben to pet him, Ben would definitely arrogantly walk away, leaving the dog hanging. Ben is very aloof and selfish like that.

[eyeatoma]

Yep. Look how unwatchable this team has been in Simmons' absence, even just aesthetically.

Maxey's giving us Ben's 17 regular season points per game, and isn't this Jo's best surrounding cast since Butler left?

And yet we're being run out of the building most nights playing stone age ball without much effort.

Ben Simmons is a super talent that elevates those around him, and was failed by the organization because they couldn't recognize how to maximize his skillset. The winning formula was simply him + Jo + shot creating P&R guard.

RIP Fultz.

Might be the case but he also abandoned the organization and never put in the work to sacrifice for the team, which Jo and others did. The friction that he had with Jimmy, led to use losing the best closer we could have gotten.

Jimmy's addressed this in his own words on a podcast that's available to be watched for free.

Please stop with this hearsay old wives tale argument.

This is before the Jo said anything, and before Ben said he wanted out. You think Jimmy was going to do Jo dirty and **** things up when they were in the middle of a playoff run. Jimmy is Jo's friend, and new if he said the truth, he would create tension between Ben and Jo.

Now the gloves are off. Cmon dude, seriously, how naive can you be?

[eyeatoma]

Ben insisting that he plays pg is just another old wives tale

He’s played off the ball with multiple guard every season of his career

LMAO, there are actual quotes of him saying he's PG, when asked if he'd shift with Fultz coming over. Keeping spouting those lies though, I know that's your MO.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2720819-ben-simmons-says-hes-a-starting-pg-believes-he-can-play-with-markelle-fultz

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19954463/ben-simmons-philadelphia-76ers-starting-point-guard

[Tomjas]

Ben insisting that he plays pg is just another old wives tale

He’s played off the ball with multiple guard every season of his career

LMAO, there are actual quotes of him saying he's PG, when asked if he'd shift with Fultz coming over. Keeping spouting those lies though, I know that's your MO.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2720819-ben-simmons-says-hes-a-starting-pg-believes-he-can-play-with-markelle-fultz

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19954463/ben-simmons-philadelphia-76ers-starting-point-guard

Use your eyes

He’s played off ball beside many players

One of the weirdest parts of the Simmons era is how so many people just make stuff up about him all the time

There’s enough to criticise him about without resorting to these strange fabrications

[stormi]

you'd have to give Ben his plaudits for having 3 all star births, an all nba appearance, 2 all defensive teams and an steal champion trophy on his laundry list in just just four seasons.

Pity invites for role players that lack star talent, but rack up team-privileged accolades do exist. Draymond will probably get in. But that's because he was apart of something special and won a handful of championships.

Ben Simmons does not qualify at that degree. He's more in the Al Horford mold (5x allstar appearances), privileged to be on good teams, but ultimately a 14 ppg afterthought for his career.

Honestly his scoring ability alongside his rebounding and assisting has him in a pretty rare category of player. Currently the only players in the game right now giving you Ben's typical 16 points 8 rebounds and 7 assists in the league are Dejounte, Luka and Jokic. Great players.

Nothing wrong with being an elite championship caliber role player. You just have to surround them with the cogs to help them shine their brightest. We had Jimmy, and we could have had CP3.

But I'm trusting Morey to get a huge return that reinvigorates this franchise, and I can because I believe Ben is a superb talent that would command a return of that caliber.

Again, logical fallacy to be on here claiming Simmons is no good, and then to nitpick because the fantasy trade proposal isn't giving you an unobtainable young superstar on hyperbolic trajectory while still on a rookie deal.

[Mik317]

eh. Just because he did play off ball doesn't mean he wanted to or liked doing so. He wasn't jazzed about moving off ball for Shake for example; Wasn't happy doing so for Jimmy. Its not a diss really because he's not a great off ball player and being a PG is more lucrative and fun at the end of the day.

There is also the fact that most guards we got were basically forced off ball themselves. Jimmy was pouty about that himself. Fultz never felt natural there either.

Just like a big reason we can't get good back up bigs partially due to Biid soaking up all the minutes, I don;'t think many alpha scorers liked being relegated to off ball duty due to Ben.

[the_process]

If I had my choice of players to realistically trade for, it would be SGA. What do you think it would take to lure him from OKC?

Not much.

Shai's defense and PG play has been a flop at the NBA level. Presti was ready to dump him with assets to go up to #1 to get Cade but Detroit wasn't interested.

I would gladly trade Simmons, Springer and/or a FRP for SGA. He would be perfect next to Maxey:

Maxey
SGA
Green
Harris
Embiid

I would trade much more than that. If this was enough, I can’t believe the deal isn’t done yet.

[76ciology]

Ben wanted to get the supermax, just as any player.

And the only way for ben to get the supermax is to not be at the dunkerspot and have the ball at the PG position.

If Ben would play off ball, he’d be a 6’9” version of Thybulle

But yes, Ben can have the ball and play PG, but not with Embiid. He has to play with the Wolves, Blazers or the Warriors.

[76ciology]

why shouldnt we take a breather, tank a season and rest embiid?

Its not like we’re going to get dame and the league is struggling to get the guys available because of these protocols that shows lack of confidence with the vaccines

But who knows.. maybe this situation could also force the Blazers hands to deal Dame. But is it worth it? Dame is on his last legs and these championship during the pandemic nay not mean anything like one of those lockdown seasons 10-20 years from now.

[spikeslovechild]

As strange as it sounds now might be the best time to trade for AD if he is out for the rest of the year.

The Lakers are probably desperate for an impact player next to Lebron and have a very limited timeframe.

[the_process]

Ben wanted to get the supermax, just as any player.

And the only way for ben to get the supermax is to not be at the dunkerspot and have the ball at the PG position.

If Ben would play off ball, he’d be a 6’9” version of Thybulle

But yes, Ben can have the ball and play PG, but not with Embiid. He has to play with the Wolves, Blazers or the Warriors.

As long as Draymond is in Golden State, they don’t have a use for Simmons.

The Wolves, Kings, and Spurs are the best fitting spots for him.

But logic strongly suggests that at some point in the next 12 months, Ben will be in Portland or Washington.

[76ciology]

Ben wanted to get the supermax, just as any player.

And the only way for ben to get the supermax is to not be at the dunkerspot and have the ball at the PG position.

If Ben would play off ball, he’d be a 6’9” version of Thybulle

But yes, Ben can have the ball and play PG, but not with Embiid. He has to play with the Wolves, Blazers or the Warriors.

As long as Draymond is in Golden State, they don’t have a use for Simmons.

The Wolves, Kings, and Spurs are the best fitting spots for him.

But logic strongly suggests that at some point in the next 12 months, Ben will be in Portland or Washington.

Yup. Washington is a good landing spot with a package of picks and dinwiddie.

[Tomjas]

why shouldnt we take a breather, tank a season and rest embiid?

Its not like we’re going to get dame and the league is struggling to get the guys available because of these protocols that shows lack of confidence with the vaccines

But who knows.. maybe this situation could also force the Blazers hands to deal Dame. But is it worth it? Dame is on his last legs and these championship during the pandemic nay not mean anything like one of those lockdown seasons 10-20 years from now.

The Nets are #1 seed and flat earther hasn’t played a game so Simmons sitting is no excuse

Team needs coaching and leadership

[sixers4real]

why shouldnt we take a breather, tank a season and rest embiid?

Its not like we’re going to get dame and the league is struggling to get the guys available because of these protocols that shows lack of confidence with the vaccines

But who knows.. maybe this situation could also force the Blazers hands to deal Dame. But is it worth it? Dame is on his last legs and these championship during the pandemic nay not mean anything like one of those lockdown seasons 10-20 years from now.

The Nets are #1 seed and flat earther hasn’t played a game so Simmons sitting is no excuse

Team needs coaching and leadership

Lol. What has Kyrie Irving done ever in this league without LeBron?

Brooklyn are #1 seed because they have top-3 player in this league, who’s top-30 players all-time in Kevin Durant and James Harden, who’s top 10 player in the NBA, and has been an MVP in this league just 3 years ago. That’s why they are #1 seed in the East.

Without this two, they lost to Orlando at home.

EDIT: BTW, why were we #1 seed last year? We had coaching and leadership that we don’t have this year?

[76ciology]

As strange as it sounds now might be the best time to trade for AD if he is out for the rest of the year.

The Lakers are probably desperate for an impact player next to Lebron and have a very limited timeframe.

I dont mind trading Ben for AD.

[76ciology]

why shouldnt we take a breather, tank a season and rest embiid?

Its not like we’re going to get dame and the league is struggling to get the guys available because of these protocols that shows lack of confidence with the vaccines

But who knows.. maybe this situation could also force the Blazers hands to deal Dame. But is it worth it? Dame is on his last legs and these championship during the pandemic nay not mean anything like one of those lockdown seasons 10-20 years from now.

The Nets are #1 seed and flat earther hasn’t played a game so Simmons sitting is no excuse

Team needs coaching and leadership

Ok, let me call Coach K and Simon Sinek and ask them if they’re available

[Tomjas]

why shouldnt we take a breather, tank a season and rest embiid?

Its not like we’re going to get dame and the league is struggling to get the guys available because of these protocols that shows lack of confidence with the vaccines

But who knows.. maybe this situation could also force the Blazers hands to deal Dame. But is it worth it? Dame is on his last legs and these championship during the pandemic nay not mean anything like one of those lockdown seasons 10-20 years from now.

The Nets are #1 seed and flat earther hasn’t played a game so Simmons sitting is no excuse

Team needs coaching and leadership

Lol. What has Kyrie Irving done ever in this league without LeBron?

Brooklyn are #1 seed because they have top-3 player in this league, who’s top-30 players all-time in Kevin Durant and James Harden, who’s top 10 player in the NBA, and has been an MVP in this league just 3 years ago. That’s why they are #1 seed in the East.

Apart from the odd game, Harden hasn’t played well all year

KD is carrying the team

The Nets beat us with KD, 2 bench players & G leaguers

[76ciology]

We all know KD is not only better than Embiid but KD is easier to build a team around than Embiid.

And Nets, even with a struggling Harden, is way more talented than the Sixers.

[Tomjas]

We are turning out an All NBA player, an All NBA defender & a max player among others

Let’s give up because Ben hurt our feelings

Gtfoh

The Sixers should be embarrassed by their last 3 performances & management should act

Forget Simmons

If there’s nothing out there then regard him as a long term injury

Everything else should be on the table other than an Embiid trade unless the return is franchise changing