Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

[ProcessDoctor]

If that great sacrifice last year was such a sacrifice below his market value then he would have been able to opt out and score a bigger deal elsewhere this summer. That didn’t happen and anyone trading for him this year isn’t paying him max or close to it. Harden is still valuable and well paid, but has to realize his days of max value and max deals have ended.

Ironic that he wants to join Kawhi and Paul George as they are going to be FA’s next summer and likewise are not max guys any longer.

True. But he may have more leverage in LA. When they become FA next summer, they can force LAC to pay all 3 of them. Negotiate in tandem.

I can’t imagine extended even one of those dudes for significant money, let alone all 3. They’d each command $40 mil+ based on what’s being handed out now.

(I’m secretly open to maxing Kawhi tho, shhh don’t tell LA).

[Arsenal]

If that great sacrifice last year was such a sacrifice below his market value then he would have been able to opt out and score a bigger deal elsewhere this summer. That didn’t happen and anyone trading for him this year isn’t paying him max or close to it. Harden is still valuable and well paid, but has to realize his days of max value and max deals have ended.

Ironic that he wants to join Kawhi and Paul George as they are going to be FA’s next summer and likewise are not max guys any longer.

True. But he may have more leverage in LA. When they become FA next summer, they can force LAC to pay all 3 of them. Negotiate in tandem.

I can’t imagine extended even one of those dudes for significant money, let alone all 3. They’d each command $40 mil+ based on what’s being handed out now.

(I’m secretly open to maxing Kawhi tho, shhh don’t tell LA).

Right but they can negotiate as a united front. Tell Ballmer pay all 3 guys $45M/yr on a 4-year deal or they all walk. Really have the power to bend them over.

And if Ballmer calls their bluff, who knows, all 3 could be available on the FA market...

[ProcessDoctor]

True. But he may have more leverage in LA. When they become FA next summer, they can force LAC to pay all 3 of them. Negotiate in tandem.

I can’t imagine extended even one of those dudes for significant money, let alone all 3. They’d each command $40 mil+ based on what’s being handed out now.

(I’m secretly open to maxing Kawhi tho, shhh don’t tell LA).

Right but they can negotiate as a united front. Tell Ballmer pay all 3 guys $45M/yr on a 4-year deal or they all walk. Really have the power to bend them over.

And if Ballmer calls their bluff, who knows, all 3 could be available on the FA market...

Yea at that point I think you just call it a day and rebuild.

[ProcessDoctor]

Am I the only one who would be all-in on Maxey/Harris/1st for Trae/Bey? Then figure out what to do with Harden later.

[spikeslovechild]

So Harden still wants to be traded because Morey didn't agree to a massive contract before free agency began to make up for team friendly deal he took last year so we could sign his friends? What a lame departure from him.

Then he needs to expand his list of teams not going to trade him for a poo platter.

Furthermore he needs to look inwards rather than blame the Sixers. He was a free agent. He didn't need the sixers to give him a max contract if he was worthy of one multiple teams would have been lining up to give him a massive contract.

That clearly never materialized. So rather than blaming himself, showing up to the season in shape, and proving the Sixers and the rest of the NBA wrong and that he's still a max player he'd rather pout. So tired of these bitches.

[the_process]

I think the bench thing is being a bit overblown. Melton, Tucker or Reed, and Bamba is league average or better. We need another top-9 rotation player for sure though.

No it's not. And they need wings, for the love of God.

Agree we need a wing, but look at the regular season rotation if we started today:

Maxey(32)/Harden(16)
Harden(16)/Melton(22)/Springer(10)
Harris(32)/House(16)
Reed(24)/Tucker(24)
Embiid(32)/Bamba(16)

Niang wasn't a wing. McDaniels is the prototype of what we need but never played like it. Shake is replacement level.

I think we need someone who can chew into House and Tucker's minutes, but not all is lost IMO. We still have the same top-7 guys.

Harris is not a wing, either.

Nurse's experimentation doesn't make up for the shortcomings of the roster. Primarily that Harden is a choker.

[Jailblazers7]

Am I the only one who would be all-in on Maxey/Harris/1st for Trae/Bey? Then figure out what to do with Harden later.

I would hate that honestly. He’s smaller than Maxey & has all of Harden’s bad habits. He’s a big game player but I don’t think you can build a championship team with him making the max.

[Murray_17]

If Harden felt so bad about not getting a contract and was so sure of the compromise the Sixers made with him. Why did his camp leak all this Houston stuff?...

At the end of the day, his behavior doesn't correspond with what he says now.

And about all the shots Doc is taking, it's just retaliation, the guy always goes to the media and starts talking when he gets fired, he did that dumb Simmons interview and tried here too. If he doesn't want the heat then he should collect his checks and stay silent.

[ProcessDoctor]

Am I the only one who would be all-in on Maxey/Harris/1st for Trae/Bey? Then figure out what to do with Harden later.

I would hate that honestly. He’s smaller than Maxey & has all of Harden’s bad habits. He’s a big game player but I don’t think you can build a championship team with him making the max.

Interesting. I feel like Trae/Embiid would be unstoppable and we'd finally have someone to carry us in the playoffs. Pretend we followed that up with Harden/Tucker for Mann/Morris/Covington/Batum/picks and we'd still have a max slot next summer.

Young/Melton/Beverley
Mann/Springer/Korkmaz
Bey/Batum/House
Reed/Covington/Morris
Embiid/Bamba/Harrell

[Stanford]

Then he needs to expand his list of teams not going to trade him for a poo platter.

I think the secret's out: nobody wants him.

[eyeatoma]

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[Negrodamus]

Does Russillo have sources? Didn’t realize he was connected.

[Arsenal]

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2 picks + 2 swaps + Mann + expirings for Harden and Tucker. Done deal!

[eyeatoma]

Does Russillo have sources? Didn’t realize he was connected.

Eh, who knows, slow news day. He seems to claim to though, so we shall see.

[spikeslovechild]

Then he needs to expand his list of teams not going to trade him for a poo platter.

I think the secret's out: nobody wants him.

Part of the issue with Harden is he is so ball dominant not very many teams are going to want to sideline their other superstars for the Harden show.

So I get it. Still, if that is the case play hardball and just let him walk in a year I'm interested in a bunch of trash as a return and picks. If we can't get some starters and picks just move on.

That LAC return is pure trash he can rot for entire year for all I care before I take that return

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Yeah who cares? This painful $hit is going to drag out into the season. I'm numb.

[spikeslovechild]

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2 picks + 2 swaps + Mann + expirings for Harden and Tucker. Done deal!

No thanks those first-round picks are so far in the future that half this board will likely be dead before they convey.

They also don't have a ton of value in trades for that reason either. I'm looking at their roster and there is literally nothing I want even Mann whom I like he's a bench rotation piece who isn't even that valuable because he is making real money now.

Hard pass on the LAC. I still think the NYK is our best bet Dolan would love to market Harden in New York. They have oodles of draft capital and they have guys we can take back that aren't complete stiffs. Harden needs to expand his list or we should just let his contract expire

[Arsenal]

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2 picks + 2 swaps + Mann + expirings for Harden and Tucker. Done deal!

No thanks those first-round picks are so far in the future that half this board will likely be dead before they convey.

They also don't have a ton of value in trades for that reason either. I'm looking at their roster and there is literally nothing I want even Mann whom I like he's a bench rotation piece who isn't even that valuable because he is making real money now.

Hard pass on the LAC. I still think the NYK is our best bet Dolan would love to market Harden in New York. They have oodles of draft capital and they have guys we can take back that aren't complete stiffs. Harden needs to expand his list or we should just let his contract expire

There's no chance NYK trades for Harden. They already have a ball-dominant PG in Brunson, who Harden is a terrible fit with. Or it would require taking the ball out of Brunson's hands which is not happening after last year.

LAC on the other hand is a good fit since they don't have a starting PG. So even aside from Harden's preference, they're more likely to be interested.

[youngcrev]

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I might be (probably) an idiot, but I listened to that podcast yesterday, and nothing he said really stood out as breaking news. More just talking about the situation.

[Skates]

Morey wanting draft capital is not news, pretty much young talent and draft capital and expiring contracts has been the asking price in LA. They only have two FRP’s to trade and Morey wants both, no doubt about that.