2025 NBA Draft (2)

[Negrodamus]

Airious is going to be watching NBA playoff games at 9 a.m. before his practice with the Guangdong Southern Tigers in five years, while Kon is pulling the strings as a fourth starter on a championship team.

Different levels.

He already averaged 40 fictional ppg in Europe; can you even imagine China? Wilt Chamberlain every night!

[Arsenal]

Well you got one thing right. Kon will top out as a fourth starter, but probably not on a title team.

And Ace may bust, but the chance to hit on a star is worth far more than the chance to grab a nice role player. That’s the point of such a high draft pick.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Pervis Ellison is Ace Baileys biological father! Friggin mind blowing if you ask me! I think Jeff Hornacek is Yom Kipples floor.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Not just Ace...If this pick busts, we're in deep ****.

[Sixersftw]

Pervis Ellison is Ace Baileys biological father! Friggin mind blowing if you ask me! I think Jeff Hornacek is Yom Kipples floor.

If his floor is a 1 time all-star, he's the pick then.

[Black Mage]

Kon said he's not comfortable taking jumpers midrange which is why he didn't in HS or college. The man said it himself. A shooter afraid to shoot when spaces got tighter. He's great bombing from WIDE open looks, cause those always exist in the pro's.

What's the context here. Share the quote?

It might just be the mathematical elimination of the midrange. Non superstars don't get the luxury of living off of midrange, PPP reigns supreme. 3's or lay-ups is peak Morey ball and for being the best shooter in the class, not many got to the rim at the frequency KK did.

32% of all of Knueppel's shots came at the rim (122 attempts), he finished at 63% with 27% of those FGs assisted

only 18.5% of Tre's shots came at the rim (97 attempts), he finished 59% of those attempts with 19% of those FG assisted

23% of Bailey's shots came at the rim (105 attempts), he finished 61% of those attempts with 53% of those FG assisted

Tre and Kon grade out very impressively here. Ace, not so much (sky is blue).

I posted a link already to the clip. It's exactly as it sounds. KOC said you only took 21 midrange jumpers and made THREE. And Kon said yeah I don't feel comfortable with that shot. Shooter my a**

[stormi]

Well you got one thing right. Kon will top out as a fourth starter, but probably not on a title team.

And Ace may bust, but the chance to hit on a star is worth far more than the chance to grab a nice role player. That’s the point of such a high draft pick.

I feel like the "star potential" cop out, is just that. An empty and unsubstantiated excuse to grant artificial points to an undeserving player. Every player has degrees of upside that go beyond their current forms regardless of their shapes and/or sizes and this isn't an excuse that exists only for forwards. We're actually seeing that feel, IQ and basketball skill reign supreme in today's day and age. Some of the most impactful and winning players have been unconventional builds . These playoffs alone we've seen Nembhard (wingspan / athleticism), Brunson (age, height), McConnell (complexion) turn near losses into wins and wins into blow outs.

I'm heavily discounting scouting an evaluation process that reverts back to RCSI and/or combine measurements as a crutch.

There's a trend that I posted a while back of how only one player within The Ringer's T25 had a sub 6.0 box plus minus in college, Ace was at 4.5. This isn't star upside, this is banking on a historical outlier to beat the odds.

There are numerous studies about the correlation between assist to turnover as a predictor of NBA success, just like ft% with deciphering shooting mechanics.

I think some Ace supporters feel like they're taking a brave position in declaring they're interested in "star potential". Who isn't? That doesn't mean the fastest track sprinter automatically rises to the top of the draft board, you have to evaluate and contextualize basketball traits. Again, Ace's profile is littered with red flags of players that are the antithesis of winners, or even NBA caliber players, let alone stars.

The reason why algorithms have been outperforming NBA GMs for years now is because the emotional bias is stripped.

The funny thing is, I remember you and I fighting on the same side for Trey Murphy in 2021. A lot of our fans also discredited him for "star upside" and he's developed into a fantastic NBA player. We weren't spamming buzz words as much back then, we just saw a high level basketball player with translatable skills.

[stormi]

Kon said he's not comfortable taking jumpers midrange which is why he didn't in HS or college. The man said it himself. A shooter afraid to shoot when spaces got tighter. He's great bombing from WIDE open looks, cause those always exist in the pro's.

What's the context here. Share the quote?

It might just be the mathematical elimination of the midrange. Non superstars don't get the luxury of living off of midrange, PPP reigns supreme. 3's or lay-ups is peak Morey ball and for being the best shooter in the class, not many got to the rim at the frequency KK did.

32% of all of Knueppel's shots came at the rim (122 attempts), he finished at 63% with 27% of those FGs assisted

only 18.5% of Tre's shots came at the rim (97 attempts), he finished 59% of those attempts with 19% of those FG assisted

23% of Bailey's shots came at the rim (105 attempts), he finished 61% of those attempts with 53% of those FG assisted

Tre and Kon grade out very impressively here. Ace, not so much (sky is blue).

I posted a link already to the clip. It's exactly as it sounds. KOC said you only took 21 midrange jumpers and made THREE. And Kon said yeah I don't feel comfortable with that shot. Shooter my a**

That just isn't true.



Non-rim two's, Kon took 49 and made 20 on 90% self created.

[Black Mage]

:evil:

I respect the way you start doing damage control and lashing out whenever it's time actually to discuss the details of Ace's abhorrent game, outside of spamming "star potential".

Not doing a very good job spreading the good word of Jon Kumingace.

Whereas you are doing a great job emotionally defending your beloved.

Please don’t abandon this level of devotion for Kon when he becomes the role player he is destined to be in the NBA. People would question your loyalty.

Airious is going to be watching NBA playoff games at 9 a.m. before his practice with the Guangdong Southern Tigers in five years, while Kon is pulling the strings as a fourth starter on a championship team.

Different levels.

Kon couldn't even pull strings for a loaded Duke team.

[Black Mage]

What's the context here. Share the quote?

It might just be the mathematical elimination of the midrange. Non superstars don't get the luxury of living off of midrange, PPP reigns supreme. 3's or lay-ups is peak Morey ball and for being the best shooter in the class, not many got to the rim at the frequency KK did.

32% of all of Knueppel's shots came at the rim (122 attempts), he finished at 63% with 27% of those FGs assisted

only 18.5% of Tre's shots came at the rim (97 attempts), he finished 59% of those attempts with 19% of those FG assisted

23% of Bailey's shots came at the rim (105 attempts), he finished 61% of those attempts with 53% of those FG assisted

Tre and Kon grade out very impressively here. Ace, not so much (sky is blue).

I posted a link already to the clip. It's exactly as it sounds. KOC said you only took 21 midrange jumpers and made THREE. And Kon said yeah I don't feel comfortable with that shot. Shooter my a**

That just isn't true.



Non-rim two's, Kon took 49 and made 20 on 90% self created.

Stop being Roger Rabbit denying Jessica played patty-cake and go listen to the podcast or google it. He said it; he isn't comfortable taking shots in the midrange.

[stormi]

:evil:

Whereas you are doing a great job emotionally defending your beloved.

Please don’t abandon this level of devotion for Kon when he becomes the role player he is destined to be in the NBA. People would question your loyalty.

Airious is going to be watching NBA playoff games at 9 a.m. before his practice with the Guangdong Southern Tigers in five years, while Kon is pulling the strings as a fourth starter on a championship team.

Different levels.

Kon couldn't even pull strings for a loaded Duke team.

Second half of the season, he peaked at a level higher than any other player besides Flagg.

From 2/16 - 4/15 (25 games) Kon was a completely different player on offense with a 12.8 BPM, 139 ORTG, 70.9% TS, 17% AST, 49.3 FTr.

Kon was otherworldly efficient shooting 70% at the rim, 47.5% from three, and 94% from the free-throw line. 17/4.5/3.3 for PRA fans.

Kon’s offensive game was fleshed out in this span. His 3 point attempt rate dropped to 44.9 and his FT and rim volume jumped significantly to 3.8 ATT/G (+1.1) and 4.7 FTA/G (+2.3) while jumping in efficiency (+13% at the rim, +5.5% FT) and while his OREB% jumped to 6.1 (+2.9) and STL% to 2.5 (+0.8).

When he was given the keys in the tournament after Flagg went down he dropped 30/5/8 on 71 TS% and was declared the ACC Tournament MVP.

His pedigree also extends beyond his ~30 games at Duke. He's been a winner at every level.

[stormi]

I posted a link already to the clip. It's exactly as it sounds. KOC said you only took 21 midrange jumpers and made THREE. And Kon said yeah I don't feel comfortable with that shot. Shooter my a**

That just isn't true.



Non-rim two's, Kon took 49 and made 20 on 90% self created.

Stop being Roger Rabbit denying Jessica played patty-cake and go listen to the podcast or google it. He said it; he isn't comfortable taking shots in the midrange.

Dawg, what?

[Black Mage]

Airious is going to be watching NBA playoff games at 9 a.m. before his practice with the Guangdong Southern Tigers in five years, while Kon is pulling the strings as a fourth starter on a championship team.

Different levels.

Kon couldn't even pull strings for a loaded Duke team.

Second half of the season (final 25 games) he peaked at a level higher than any other player besides Flagg.

When he was given the keys in the tournament after Flagg went down he dropped 30/5/8 on 71 TS% and was declared the ACC Tournament MVP.

His pedigree also extend beyond his ~30 games at Duke. He's been a winner at every level.

Did he win a Championship? No? Then he couldn't even pull strings on a favored and loaded Duke team. Doubt he'll come close to it in the pro's then.

[Black Mage]

So, given I haven't seen any Essengue posts; I take it he didn't have that great of a game yesterday?

[stormi]

Kon couldn't even pull strings for a loaded Duke team.

Second half of the season (final 25 games) he peaked at a level higher than any other player besides Flagg.

When he was given the keys in the tournament after Flagg went down he dropped 30/5/8 on 71 TS% and was declared the ACC Tournament MVP.

His pedigree also extend beyond his ~30 games at Duke. He's been a winner at every level.

Did he win a Championship? No? Then he couldn't even pull strings on a favored and loaded Duke team. Doubt he'll come close to it in the pro's then.

Has nothing to do with his performances, he was the best player in the Tournament. For an alleged stacked and dominant supporting cast, his 7' was somehow kept off the glass in a three point loss.

Kon might be the best player in the class if he's getting held to Lebron's mythical standards.

Are we also going to ignore you willfully spreading misinformation in this thread?

You can make rational arguments without inventing things that are easily fact checkable or hiding behind vapid platitudes like "star upside".

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

That just isn't true.



Non-rim two's, Kon took 49 and made 20 on 90% self created.

Stop being Roger Rabbit denying Jessica played patty-cake and go listen to the podcast or google it. He said it; he isn't comfortable taking shots in the midrange.

Dawg, what?

What plumber are you two arguing about? I'm totally lost. Rodger Rabbit somehow made it into the conversation. Stormi over here acting like Judge Doon with his Anti Ace freeway he's building.

[stormi]

Stop being Roger Rabbit denying Jessica played patty-cake and go listen to the podcast or google it. He said it; he isn't comfortable taking shots in the midrange.

Dawg, what?

What plumber are you two arguing about? I'm totally lost. Rodger Rabbit somehow made it into the conversation. Stormi over here acting like Judge Doon with his Anti Ace freeway he's building.

I'm just as lost as you brother....

[Arsenal]

Trey Murphy was a pure upside pick based heavily on his physical gifts of size and length. His actual college production wasn’t anything special.

So pretty much the exact opposite type of prospect to Kon.

If Kon had Murphy’s physical gifts I’d be banging the table for him louder than Stormi lol.

P.S. Ace’s freshman season blows Murphy’s freshman AND sophomore seasons out of the water.

[okboomer]

Im sure alot of realgm likes coming into this thread to read all the discourse .

[Mik317]

I ask this

what is Ace Bailey's elite skill or trait?

Is it shotmaking? Making tough shots is great and its neat that he can do it at his age....but how much of it is due to not being able to get by anyone? or being bigger than most people guarding him? Numbers don't back that up iirc. So as of right now he is a capable shooter but not a great one ,no? People can improve of course but thats my issue atm.

Tre has elite shooting numbers. VJ has an elite athletic profile. Even Nipples has some outlier gifts. This does not mean they are teflon and flawless either. Tre plays NO DEFENSE and has similar can't get by people issues and is also a bad finisher. VJ's size is still a concern and he has a lot of role player traits and you are banking for probable outlier development on some D.Mitch ****. Kon has a dumb name...err also has defensive concerns and stiff hips may leave him as just a bomber. All valid fears and potential red flags

BUT IMO Ace's red flags are crimson and I don't see the elite traits beyond being wing sized and a baby that catapults him above everyone else.