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Post#1861 » by Chris76 » Mon May 22, 2017 4:01 am

cksdayoff wrote:Simmons has touch around the basket. He doesnt have touch when he shoots the ball


In the few summer league games, it was obvious that simmons was being told to take more outside jumpshots. He started one game with several in a row. Hopefully, the shooting coach has been working with him to adjust his form, while being sidelined. Simmons seems to be a very hard worker and I would be surprised if he hasn't already improved. With more practice, he should be able to gain a better touch. Similarly, embiid seemed to have greatly improved his outside shot when he was sidelined. It would be great to see the same results with simmons.
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Post#1862 » by 76ciology » Mon May 22, 2017 4:08 am

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cksdayoff wrote:Simmons has touch around the basket. He doesnt have touch when he shoots the ball


Im not so confident with touch around the basket, but certainly has tools to be a very good finisher around the rim. Seems to me that he settles too much with his right hand around the rim.


his right hand is the reason why he has touch around the rim. his shooting hand (left) is too mechanical


I was looking at his shooting the other day.

His left hand was TOO upright and mechanical. Its what it looks like when you try to shoot a jumper on good form with your off hand. Shouldn't your shooting hand be slighting leaning forward after the shot?
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Post#1863 » by cksdayoff » Mon May 22, 2017 4:14 am

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Im not so confident with touch around the basket, but certainly has tools to be a very good finisher around the rim. Seems to me that he settles too much with his right hand around the rim.


his right hand is the reason why he has touch around the rim. his shooting hand (left) is too mechanical


I was looking at his shooting the other day.

His left hand was TOO upright and mechanical. Its what it looks like when you try to shoot a jumper on good form with your off hand. Shouldn't your shooting hand be slighting leaning forward after the shot?


it's kinda funny because he shoots 12 foot floaters with his right hand with feathery touch but 13 feet out, he uses his robot left hand
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Post#1864 » by 76ciology » Mon May 22, 2017 4:23 am

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his right hand is the reason why he has touch around the rim. his shooting hand (left) is too mechanical


I was looking at his shooting the other day.

His left hand was TOO upright and mechanical. Its what it looks like when you try to shoot a jumper on good form with your off hand. Shouldn't your shooting hand be slighting leaning forward after the shot?


it's kinda funny because he shoots 12 foot floaters with his right hand with feathery touch but 13 feet out, he uses his robot left hand


He's messing it up. Normally ambidextrous shooters would use their left to handle the ball and finish around the rim then shoot with right. I'm big fan of curry and i watch his clips like an two hours per week (usually on my cardios). And thats what curry do. For me, curry uses his left not just to give him another dimension but also not to tire out his right hand. Still when he shoot 3s, HE NEVER SHOOTS WITH HIS OFF HAND.

And quite frankly, I'm not a big fan of his floaters, in terms of total composition of his shots around the rim. He should take it to the rim to get to the line more and shoot floaters less.

If you ask me.. Either Ben Simmons should do more regular things with his left and try to be a natural leftie or switch his shooting to his natural right.

If I'm not mistaken, D12's shooting was also because of the similar case. D12 is a natural leftie but he eventually uses his right due to some injury and look at how SIMILARLY mechanical both D12 and BS's shot.

Our body is interesting. Remember when RoCo was struggling with his shot. For me its because he tries to jack up those super long threes that messes him up. Not exactly the same, but its somewhat similar with Simmons. I think our body has a limited muscle memory that it can't take all those infos. You can't do your daily chore with your right, then spend two hours of the day spending a very specific accuracy focused chore with your left. Maybe you can figure it out one day, but most days and down the road when your body/mental wears, by stress or pressure out it wont be the case.

You need to not put yourself in bad situation. Always have multiple options and do option with less obstacle.
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Post#1865 » by Simmons25 » Mon May 22, 2017 4:38 am

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I don't think he is a natural shooter the way Embiid or Porzingis are. His form looks pretty clean to me though. He has a slower release, and he can be sloppy, but he has basic touch.

I think that he needs to build his confidence in his shot more than anything else.


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I think his touch is actually quite good. You watch him when he is around the basket those right handed hook shots are sweet and all net almost every time... so he obviously has good shooting touch.

He has just never grown up taking jump shots like most kids do. Hopefully with time he can translate that to jump shooting. I think the talent is there.


What do you mean he didn't take jump shots like most kids do? Everyone worldwide knows how to shoot. They don't shoot differently in Australia.


Simmons is 6ft 10"... shooting was no more a requirement for him than it was for a 6ft 8" Blake Griffin out of College.

You probably haven't seen a lot of footage of Simmons playing high school at Box Hill in Australia... but it went something like this. Simmons would grab the ball... dribble around 5 kids and then dunk over them every possession. He never developed a jump shot because he didn't have to.

It was actually one of the main reasons Simmons made the unprecedented move of coming to the US in High School rather than in College (Thon Maker then following him and doing the same). The standard of competition in Australia at high school level is about 10 levels lower than the US.

Ironically Simmons actually did take shots at Montverde HS from distance. 51 x three pointers in his 25 odd games. His percentages weren't great... around 30% but that is about average for most guys his size. He did play more point guard at Montverde which is the reason for the increased shots from perimeter.

It was at LSU where he just stopped taking them altogether... but as has been said Ad Nauseum now... at LSU he was played out of position at the 4 and he wasn't running the team at PG (Quarterman was) so the opportunities weren't there. Quarterman and Hornsby were their outside shooters. Simmons played Power Forward, occasional point forward which was a waste of his talent.
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1866 » by cksdayoff » Mon May 22, 2017 5:05 am

greatness of simmons @ 1:53

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Post#1867 » by Kolkmania » Mon May 29, 2017 6:49 pm

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Kolkmania wrote:Evidence #3467289: Simmons is a natural righty.
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As a 3 to 4 year old his natural instinct is clear as day. He is clearly dribbling the ball with his left hand. He is a left hander.... so time to let the "He can't shoot because he is shooting with his wrong hand" narrative go.

You are confusing being ambidextrous with shooting with the wrong hand. His poor shooting like Lebron comes from the fact that his entire life he has been able to blow by people and get to the rim and dunk on them... so has never had to develop a consistent outside shot. It will come in time just like it did with Lebron.

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Post#1868 » by PLO » Mon May 29, 2017 8:19 pm

^^ what's more interesting out of that interview is Simmons playing Australian Rules Football, seems like a good way to prep for a basketball career given basically every Australian NBA player played it at some stage during their lives.
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Post#1869 » by Simmons25 » Tue May 30, 2017 1:41 am

Kolkmania wrote: :wink:


LOL touche. Strange that he dribbles with his left hand too coming up court.
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Post#1870 » by Unbreakable99 » Wed May 31, 2017 5:39 pm

Simmons still afraid to shoot in front of a kid.
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Post#1874 » by HotelVitale » Thu Jun 8, 2017 3:53 pm

PLO wrote:^^ what's more interesting out of that interview is Simmons playing Australian Rules Football, seems like a good way to prep for a basketball career given basically every Australian NBA player played it at some stage during their lives.

Think that's because every australian plays it at some point. Isn't it like their baseball, thing they adore and every kid plays but no one outside the country gives an ish about?
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Post#1875 » by PLO » Thu Jun 8, 2017 5:18 pm

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PLO wrote:^^ what's more interesting out of that interview is Simmons playing Australian Rules Football, seems like a good way to prep for a basketball career given basically every Australian NBA player played it at some stage during their lives.

Think that's because every australian plays it at some point. Isn't it like their baseball, thing they adore and every kid plays but no one outside the country gives an ish about?


The country is split into parts that play some form of rugby and the other into the Australian Football - as far as I'm aware no basketballers have come out of the rugby part of the country or at least no players with a mainly rugby background. I recall seeing footage of Patty Mills playing some high level junior level of it on youtube somewhere. If you look at the film of Australian Rules football it seems to share some similarities to basketball except is a lot more physical; perhaps a reason players like Dellevadova and Bogut play "dirty" in basketball. It looks like you have to have a good 360 degree perception in Australian football and perform skills under pretty intense physical pressure - probably a good grounding for a later basketball career if you're playing the Australian game as a child.

It'd be logical if its a good prep for basketball than basketball would be a good prep for it? Have no idea if there are any ex-basketballers playing it at a high level.
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Post#1877 » by XtremeDunkz » Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:03 pm

I will never understand the Amber Rose hype. I like my girls with hair :roll:
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Post#1878 » by Unbreakable99 » Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:44 am

XtremeDunkz wrote:I will never understand the Amber Rose hype. I like my girls with hair :roll:


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Post#1879 » by Simmons25 » Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:26 am

XtremeDunkz wrote:I will never understand the Amber Rose hype. I like my girls with hair :roll:


Yup. God damn she is ugly... and those hips could bear triplets. Definitely not my style.
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Post#1880 » by 76ciology » Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:52 am

Yeah, not my type. Feels like you'll get suffocated if you motor boat the merchandise
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