2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread Volume 2

JojoSlimbiid · Post #1861 » by **JojoSlimbiid** » Wed Apr 5, 2017 5:45 pm

I'd do our pick this year plus a top 8-10 protected next year pick for #1. It would be real enticing for teams especially teams like the Magic with multiple holes that need to get filled.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1862 » by **Unbreakable99** » Wed Apr 5, 2017 5:49 pm

JojoSlimbiid wrote:I'd do our pick this year plus a top 8-10 protected next year pick for #1. It would be real enticing for teams especially teams like the Magic with multiple holes that need to get filled.

That definitely would not be enough. It would have to be unprotected for next year just to have a conversation. It would take A LOT to move up to number 1. I think Golden St traded 3 straight number 1 picks to get Webber. Look at that as a baseline.

Kobblehead · Post #1863 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Apr 5, 2017 5:54 pm

I'd be fine with Fultz at #5, but if we're moving up, I'd hope it would be for a superior prospect than him.

JojoSlimbiid · Post #1864 » by **JojoSlimbiid** » Wed Apr 5, 2017 5:54 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
JojoSlimbiid wrote:I'd do our pick this year plus a top 8-10 protected next year pick for #1. It would be real enticing for teams especially teams like the Magic with multiple holes that need to get filled.

That definitely would not be enough. It would have to be unprotected for next year just to have a conversation. It would take A LOT to move up to number 1. I think Golden St traded 3 straight number 1 picks to get Webber. Look at that as a baseline.

Depends on where we pick though if we pick #3, I don't think it's a terrible offer. We can always lower the protections.

As for an unprotected pick yikes I don't really know about that. Unprotected picks in this day and age are just too much. Got to pray to the lotto gods I guess. There isn't a bigger Fultz fan on here but it would take a lot to come up off a unprotected pick.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1865 » by **Unbreakable99** » Wed Apr 5, 2017 6:00 pm

The one great thing about this draft is there is no LeBron or Durant or Davis or Simmons. No team would even consider trading the number one pick. At least I can see a team consider moving out from number one for a variety of reasons but if a team really loves a player they probably will just stay there and take who they love at number 1.

XtremeDunkz · Post #1866 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Wed Apr 5, 2017 6:02 pm

Sasashi wrote:If fultz doesn't visit other high lottery teams' games, and only came to philly....it would be pretty clear what his message was in wanting to come here.

Philly pick 2017 (#5) and 2018 plus okafor to boston for #1 2017....

Would boston bite?

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They wouldn't trade the pick for Butler, so no. Them drafting another guard though makes no sense. They need a big man.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1867 » by **Unbreakable99** » Wed Apr 5, 2017 6:11 pm

XtremeDunkz wrote:
Sasashi wrote:If fultz doesn't visit other high lottery teams' games, and only came to philly....it would be pretty clear what his message was in wanting to come here.

Philly pick 2017 (#5) and 2018 plus okafor to boston for #1 2017....

Would boston bite?

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They wouldn't trade the pick for Butler, so no. Them drafting another guard though makes no sense. They need a big man.

There is no big man worth drafting in the top 4 for Boston. If Boston got the top pick and kept it I would say they would take Jackson. It would be fascinating what Boston does with the pick if they land number one. I could finally see them trading it for a guy like Butler. I could see them not trading it and keep it. While you can argue Jackson is the best prospect I think there is a chance he could fall to 4 or even 5 because he's not that great at shooting and shooting is a premium today. Would Boston pick Jackson knowing they could still get him at 3 or 4? Boston doesn't need more guards but IT is a free agent after next season or 2019 I believe. They might want someone to groom to take over so they don't have to pay IT. I can definitely see them drafting Ball to be the guy or Fultz since they already have the defensive wings to help him like they do with IT.

Kobblehead · Post #1868 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Apr 5, 2017 6:49 pm

If Boston pulls the trigger on Zach Collins in the Top 3, I'm going to admire them immensely.

LloydFree · Post #1869 » by **LloydFree** » Wed Apr 5, 2017 9:02 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:The one great thing about this draft is there is no LeBron or Durant or Davis or Simmons. No team would even consider trading the number one pick. At least I can see a team consider moving out from number one for a variety of reasons but if a team really loves a player they probably will just stay there and take who they love at number 1.

I could easily see Boston or Minnesota moving the 1st overall pick for Jimmy Butler. I don't think anyone is trading back for #5 and a future 1st.

GabeCerebro · Post #1870 » by **GabeCerebro** » Wed Apr 5, 2017 9:28 pm

LloydFree wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Are more draft prospects going to start attending games of teams they want to play for? I think Fultz is to first to do this. I can definitely see it becoming a trend.

More and more players may do it but it won't matter. If the Sixers are picking 5th and says he only wants to play for the Sixers then no team is going to just throw their hands up and say oh well. We won't draft him. He will still go in the top 4 and probably in the top 2. Even if the Sixers had the number 2 pick and the Celtics or Lakers or Suns or Magic or any other team has the top pick and Fultz says he does not want to play for them and wants to play for the Sixers, it won't matter. If a team rates him the best prospect and has the top pick they won't care what he wants. They will draft him. Just like with Ball. Many people think he only wants to play for the Lakers. If a team likes Ball then they will draft him regardless if he wants to play for the Lakers.

It's strategy. It isn't cut and dry that he will go #1, and some of the teams with the best chance won't want/need a combo guard. He's knows the Lakers won't take him. The Celtics don't need him because he's not better than the guards they already have. Phoenix already has scoring guards as good as him. So that leaves Philly and Orlando as his most likely landing spots. If he believes those are the teams most likely to select him, it would be in the best interests of his career to try to force his way to Philly to play in a bigger market on a team be could fit him in seamlessly.

The Lakers would absolutely take him.

GabeCerebro · Post #1871 » by **GabeCerebro** » Wed Apr 5, 2017 9:40 pm

JojoSlimbiid wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:
JojoSlimbiid wrote:I'd do our pick this year plus a top 8-10 protected next year pick for #1. It would be real enticing for teams especially teams like the Magic with multiple holes that need to get filled.

That definitely would not be enough. It would have to be unprotected for next year just to have a conversation. It would take A LOT to move up to number 1. I think Golden St traded 3 straight number 1 picks to get Webber. Look at that as a baseline.

Depends on where we pick though if we pick #3, I don't think it's a terrible offer. We can always lower the protections.

As for an unprotected pick yikes I don't really know about that. Unprotected picks in this day and age are just too much. Got to pray to the lotto gods I guess. There isn't a bigger Fultz fan on here but it would take a lot to come up off a unprotected pick.

It normally would be, but we have the Lakers pick next year. I'd do our pick this year and next (unprotected) for #1 , easily.

Post #1872 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Wed Apr 5, 2017 9:47 pm

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sixerhp3 · Post #1873 » by **sixerhp3** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 12:38 am

If we fall to 5, I would rather pick up DSJ than monk. DSJ has superstar point guard potential

shawn_hemp · Post #1874 » by **shawn_hemp** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 2:37 am

Players id be thrilled with:

Josh Jackson, Fultz, Monk, DSJ

Players I'd be ok with: Tatum, Isaac, Ball

Not sure who else we would realistically take

76ciology · Post #1875 » by **76ciology** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 2:49 am

Would you trade Ben Simmons for Fultz or Ball? Both PGs can shoot and are much younger. Statistically, all three are at same tier in terms of production I guess.

PLO · Post #1876 » by **PLO** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 2:49 am

shawn_hemp wrote:Players id be thrilled with:

Josh Jackson, Fultz, Monk, DSJ

Players I'd be ok with: Tatum, Isaac, Ball

Not sure who else we would realistically take

sixerhp3 wrote:If we fall to 5, I would rather pick up DSJ than monk. DSJ has superstar point guard potential

DSJ is getting lost a bit in the wash though its unlikely that will affect teams scouting on him. If we have a pick at 6 or 7 and he's there he's a no-brainer.

shawn_hemp · Post #1877 » by **shawn_hemp** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 3:26 am

76ciology wrote:Would you trade Ben Simmons for Fultz or Ball? Both PGs can shoot and are much younger. Statistically, all three are at same tier in terms of production I guess.

If Boston got the #1 pick and they wanted Simmons for it, I'd probably try to work in Avery Bradley as well

Simmons would fit Boston so well considering IT is more of a SG than PG IMo

Unbreakable99 · Post #1878 » by **Unbreakable99** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 3:37 am

76ciology wrote:Would you trade Ben Simmons for Fultz or Ball? Both PGs can shoot and are much younger. Statistically, all three are at same tier in terms of production I guess.

Hell no. I know you wanted Ingram over Simmons and not that high on him but come on. Simmons is an elite prospect. He's a better prospect than both. This is ridiculous.

76ciology · Post #1879 » by **76ciology** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 7:07 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:
76ciology wrote:Would you trade Ben Simmons for Fultz or Ball? Both PGs can shoot and are much younger. Statistically, all three are at same tier in terms of production I guess.

Hell no. I know you wanted Ingram over Simmons and not that high on him but come on. Simmons is an elite prospect. He's a better prospect than both. This is ridiculous.

Calm down. I like both Ingram and Ben Simmons. I eventually acknowledged Simmons to be the better prospect heading to the draft. I just value Ingram more than most people. He's slowly been playing well actually.

Back to the topic, I don't it's ridiculous to compare Ben Simmons with Fultz or Ball. High degree of uncertainty (no NBA games yet) with all three guys while all have been at the same tier of productivity in college.

smittybanton · Post #1880 » by **smittybanton** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 11:33 am

76ciology wrote:Would you trade Ben Simmons for Fultz or Ball? Both PGs can shoot and are much younger. Statistically, all three are at same tier in terms of production I guess.

I wouldn't. I've wanted Ben Simmons to be our point guard of the future since he was a junior in high school. His skill level is ridiculous, vision is otherworldly and size-to-athleticism ratio is unbelievable. We have Magic and Kareem. Then, any one of the top six or seven players in this draft (besides Isaac), probably beats out TLC for our SG spot--not to mention our $50M in cap space (KCPx, Jrue?, THIII, Iggy, Waiters).

OT: The McDonalds game was somewhat underwhelming. Except, when thinking about getting the Lakers pick next year, please check out that kid Luka Doncic wylin' out for Real Madrid. Wyld for the night!

2017: Lonzo Ball (PHI)
2018: Luka Doncic (LA)
2019: Zion Williamson (SAC)