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2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#1861 » by cksdayoff » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:04 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Yea, it's confusing how it's that bad because the form is there. I do think he has his left hand on the ball too long in his shooting motion. How easy that is to fix, if I'm even right about that, is uncertain to me. The release point looks good and he doesn't seem to be throwing it at the rim like some do with decent looking form. He definitely looks the part of an NBA SG and has the agility and smoothness. Even more alluring his his defense and ability to get steals/deflections. I just have a sneaking suspicion that the Sixers like him. Could be wrong though.


first time i saw dozier, his shooting form looked so clean, that was one of the first things that jumped out at me. I bet the Spurs grab him, and fix whatever minor issues he has with his jump shot.
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Post#1862 » by Kobblehead » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:05 pm

I gotta question who's advising Dozier. I can't imagine he got positive feedback from NBA evaluators that influenced him to enter the draft. Everything was set up for him to return to school, run the team sans Thornwell and solidify himself as a 1st round talent in 2018.
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Post#1863 » by cksdayoff » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:06 pm

LongLiveHinkie wrote:I like Derrick White a lot. If the Sixers end up getting him though, what is our guard rotation like? Would there even be a roster spot for TJ? I mean we'd basically have Fultz, White, Bayless, TJ, plus possible free agent signing and that is just at PG.


also TLC. Bayless needs to be moved if the Sixers draft another guard in the first round.
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Post#1864 » by cksdayoff » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:09 pm

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cksdayoff wrote:Kobblehead, Sixers trade up into 20's and Bell and White are on the board. Who do you take

I gotta go with Derrick White. I know what I'm getting with Bell. And it's gonna be a really valuable addition. But if I'm right about Derrick White and we can combine him with Fultz in the backcourt, game over.


Do you think Bell can guard wings and guards? I've bought into the hype, and Bell right now, is probably overhyped but I feel like if his athleticism is that legit, he could probably shut down every single guard and wing in the draft. It sounds ridiculous, because that is a potential DPOY candidate type of player, but that's what people are envisioning Bell's potential to be.

Your thoughts?
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Post#1865 » by PhilasFinest » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:12 pm

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Kobblehead wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:Kobblehead, Sixers trade up into 20's and Bell and White are on the board. Who do you take

I gotta go with Derrick White. I know what I'm getting with Bell. And it's gonna be a really valuable addition. But if I'm right about Derrick White and we can combine him with Fultz in the backcourt, game over.


Do you think Bell can guard wings and guards? I've bought into the hype, and Bell right now, is probably overhyped but I feel like if his athleticism is that legit, he could probably shut down every single guard and wing in the draft. It sounds ridiculous, because that is a potential DPOY candidate type of player, but that's what people are envisioning Bell's potential to be.

Your thoughts?


I think Bell is going to be a high energy, hustling big who runs the floor and scores off oops/put backs.

Defensively, he's going to block shots and make his assignment uncomfortable, but I don't see him locking up wings and guards straight up. Maybe for a few seconds on a switch, but ideally you want him defending a big IMO.
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Post#1866 » by LongLiveHinkie » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:15 pm

If Colangelo ends up getting a late first for Okafor to take one of the players we love at the end of the first round, in addition to already getting Fultz who 99% of everyone here loves, this board will be like

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Post#1867 » by Negrodamus » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:20 pm

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Negrodamus wrote:Yea, it's confusing how it's that bad because the form is there. I do think he has his left hand on the ball too long in his shooting motion. How easy that is to fix, if I'm even right about that, is uncertain to me. The release point looks good and he doesn't seem to be throwing it at the rim like some do with decent looking form. He definitely looks the part of an NBA SG and has the agility and smoothness. Even more alluring his his defense and ability to get steals/deflections. I just have a sneaking suspicion that the Sixers like him. Could be wrong though.


first time i saw dozier, his shooting form looked so clean, that was one of the first things that jumped out at me. I bet the Spurs grab him, and fix whatever minor issues he has with his jump shot.


“I’m very opinionated when it comes to shooting. I feel like if I see somebody shoot three or four times and just watch their form, their footwork, their preparation, you form a pretty quick opinion. It takes you about a second to look at their stats, and it helps you validate what you think, or contradict what you think. But shooters really are what’s most on my mind.”

Brown is also a believer that the high-stakes stage of March provides an additional glimpse into the make-up, the DNA of a pro prospect.

“The rules change in the NCAA playoffs, just like they do in the NBA playoffs,” he said. “That stage, that limelight, that one-and-done sort of death-wish, how it’s set up, there’s pressure on a lot of 19, 18 year old kids’ shoulders. For that reason, as much as anything, you for sure pay attention.”


Brett said this right after the Sweet Sixteen (March 15th). Dozier, despite shooting like garbage, and Thornwell were just about to take on UF the next day. A game they would end up winning.

“I’m assuming by now, most of the room would say, ‘You are defense, pace, and space,’” Brown said. “We’re going to guard in the city of Philadelphia, we’re going to run, and we’re going to embrace the three-point line. And so if that remains to be true and it will, it should lead us in a draft, it should lead us in a free-agent decision, and it certainly leads us with [roster decisions].

“You don’t have to tick all three [boxes], you better go two for three or have the ability to move into that area in a very clear way,” he later added.


So if Brett has anything to do with this draft process, I do think he'd be intrigued by Dozier.
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Post#1868 » by Kobblehead » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:41 pm

cksdayoff wrote:Do you think Bell can guard wings and guards? I've bought into the hype, and Bell right now, is probably overhyped but I feel like if his athleticism is that legit, he could probably shut down every single guard and wing in the draft. It sounds ridiculous, because that is a potential DPOY candidate type of player, but that's what people are envisioning Bell's potential to be.

Your thoughts?

While he is definitely switch versatile, I do not think he's capable of defending to the degree you're describing.

OG Anunoby is closer to the defensive phenom you're envisioning.
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Post#1869 » by Unbreakable99 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:46 am

Who has the better first season? Fultz or Hart? Hart was better last year in college and you would have to expect he should have a better first year in the NBA. Hart has an nba body. He said already about 22 or so. Fultz is still growing and needs to gain weight. If we did draft Hart I think he might have the better first year than Fultz.
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Post#1870 » by sixers23 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:57 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:Who has the better first season? Fultz or Hart? Hart was better last year in college and you would have to expect he should have a better first year in the NBA. Hart has an nba body. He said already about 22 or so. Fultz is still growing and needs to gain weight. If we did draft Hart I think he might have the better first year than Fultz.

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Post#1871 » by cksdayoff » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:02 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:Who has the better first season? Fultz or Hart? Hart was better last year in college and you would have to expect he should have a better first year in the NBA. Hart has an nba body. He said already about 22 or so. Fultz is still growing and needs to gain weight. If we did draft Hart I think he might have the better first year than Fultz.


Fultz is gonna come in and average 18 ppg
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Post#1872 » by cksdayoff » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:04 am

if we need a wing next year, mikal bridges
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Post#1873 » by JojoSlimbiid » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:06 am

lol Josh Hart. Got to get mentally prepared for some of these takes during the season by people still butt hurt.
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Post#1874 » by HotelVitale » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:13 am

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Kobblehead wrote:I think one of Jordan Bell, Derrick White or Josh Hart should be a Sixer after trading back into the 1st round on draft night.
I like the idea of drafting a 4 who brings something Saric doesn't. Bell tops the list, should be a defensive demon. Lessort looks intriguing, raw but really physical. Bolden is an athlete.

Not into the shooting PFs? Lydon, Alec Peters, DJ Wilson, maybe Kuzma (though he's not yet a great shooter). They all have flaws but would bring immediate shooting threats to the floor plus some decent athleticism. Def different players than Saric.
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Post#1875 » by Unbreakable99 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:17 am

JojoSlimbiid wrote:lol Josh Hart. Got to get mentally prepared for some of these takes during the season by people still butt hurt.


I'm not butt hurt. Hart is about 3 years older. He may be more ready to contribute in the NBA in the first season. He was a better player last year in college. He's a better defender. He can score. I don't know why people think it's crazy a player 3 years older who was the college player of the year who's projected to go in the first year could contribute better to an NBA team in year one. Real crazy :roll:
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Post#1876 » by HotelVitale » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:25 am

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LongLiveHinkie wrote:I like Derrick White a lot. If the Sixers end up getting him though, what is our guard rotation like? Would there even be a roster spot for TJ? I mean we'd basically have Fultz, White, Bayless, TJ, plus possible free agent signing and that is just at PG.
also TLC. Bayless needs to be moved if the Sixers draft another guard in the first round.
Bayless, Fultz, and White are all combo guard types, TJ's the only guy that can only play the 1 on that list.

Also, remember that we have those d-league slots for two guys too. Most 2nd rounders don't do jack so we don't really have to worry about them overlapping too much--they're a long shot to contribute to a decent team and we should look for guys who have a chance of making it before sweating fit that much.
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Post#1877 » by Kobblehead » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:31 am

Didn't we just witness Malcolm Brogdon outclass Jamal Murray in year 1?
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Post#1878 » by sixers23 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:50 am

its unlikely josh hart even averages more than 10 min per game
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Post#1879 » by Unbreakable99 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:00 am

sixers23 wrote:its unlikely josh hart even averages more than 10 min per game


It depends which team he goes to. If he goes to a playoff team you may be right. If he goes to a bad team he might get more minutes. If he came to the Sixers he might be part of the second unit because we don't have a glut of SGs.
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Post#1880 » by SelfishPlayer » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:06 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:
JojoSlimbiid wrote:lol Josh Hart. Got to get mentally prepared for some of these takes during the season by people still butt hurt.


I'm not butt hurt. Hart is about 3 years older. He may be more ready to contribute in the NBA in the first season. He was a better player last year in college. He's a better defender. He can score. I don't know why people think it's crazy a player 3 years older who was the college player of the year who's projected to go in the first year could contribute better to an NBA team in year one. Real crazy :roll:


There's a huge jump from college to the NBA and these days 100% of seniors are less capable of making that jump than a one & done #1 overall pick. Zero chance that a player like Hart can transition faster than Fultz. Hart is just now working on his NBA three point shot, what was he working on the prior four years? Things that don't count towards making the transition...
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