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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1861 » by the_process » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:23 pm

I’d want Zach Collins as well, even if it means throwing them a non-Miami 1st.

McCollum/McConnell/Shamet
Redick/Korkmaz/Smith
Covington/Harkless/?
Simmons/Collins/Bolden
Embiid/Muscala/Johnson

This could work for now, although something would have to be done about the backcourt D. Fingers crossed on turning Smith into a better shooting Marcus Smart. :lol:
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Post#1862 » by Kobblehead » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:48 pm

Yeah, I think the best team-controlled players to trade for are C.J. McCollum, Bradley Beal and Gary Harris.

Harris is at too much of a bargain for Denver to give up. Washington probably isn't trading Beal to a fellow playoff team in the conference.

McCollum seems like the best team-controlled fit that can be obtained.
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Post#1863 » by ProcessDoctor » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:24 am

I'd rather hold out a little longer until the trade deadline to see if the Pelicans crumble and AD becomes available. He's the only potential big fish I see becoming available outside of free agency in the near future. Maybe AD signing with Klutch Sports has more to do with Ben Simmons than LeBron James? Just a thought, considering the age gap.

If and when he becomes available, the most crucial thing will be Fultz showing promise. He doesn't need to be Donovan Mitchell, but he needs to show he has all-star potential with the ball in his hands. If that's the case, then he would be our primary trading chip along with Saric, MIA 1st, 2019 PHI/SAC 1st, SAC + CHI 2nds, and cap relief.

Simmons/TJ/Milton
Redick/Moore/Shamet
Covington/Korkmaz/Smith
Davis/Muscala/Bolden
Embiid/Amir

I personally don't think LAL can or will make a very competitive offer before free agency. Boston is really the only team who could outbid us, but they are not allowed to trade for him before the deadline because of the Rose Rule. Furthermore, if Boston offers the SAC pick before the lottery, there's no guarantee it conveys to NOP because of the 14% chance it becomes #1 overall (assuming SAC is a bottom 3 team). This could really be our chance.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1864 » by the_process » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:32 am

fl311 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:There was no injury. He's attempting less threes per minute this preseason than he was last preseason when he was supposedly injured.

Even if he overcomes his personal demons and pans out as a player, he still doesn't fit with our core group. Fultz being the centerpiece of any deal is a bargain for us. The other team assumes the risk and we flip a talented, but troubled player that doesn't fit anyway.


Wrong wrong wrong.... wrong wrong wrong wrong.

you're wrong. you're wrong


That sounds a lot like a Markelle answer. Just saying.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1865 » by LloydFree » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:39 am

Kobblehead wrote:There was no injury. He's attempting less threes per minute this preseason than he was last preseason when he was supposedly injured.

Even if he overcomes his personal demons and pans out as a player, he still doesn't fit with our core group. Fultz being the centerpiece of any deal is a bargain for us. The other team assumes the risk and we flip a talented, but troubled player that doesn't fit anyway.

Of course not. I don't know how this nonsense is still a thing.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1866 » by Kobblehead » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:41 am

Drew Hanlen and Brett Brown via Mark Jones are actual sources, not made up ones.
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Post#1867 » by Kobblehead » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:43 am

sixers238, I know we had this debate before, but I still don't see the benefit of having two max bigs in the modern NBA. Look how much better New Orleans got once Boogie went down and they were able to put more modern lineups out there around AD.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1868 » by LloydFree » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:48 am

Kobblehead wrote:Drew Hanlen and Brett Brown via Mark Jones are actual sources, not made up ones.

Drew Hanlen
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Multiple beat writers
Eric Jr (Colangelo)
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1869 » by ProcessDoctor » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:48 am

Kobblehead wrote:sixers238, I know we had this debate before, but I still don't see the benefit of having two max bigs in the modern NBA. Look how much better New Orleans got once Boogie went down and they were able to put more modern lineups out there around AD.


With Simmons/AD/Embiid, there would be no reason to adapt to the modern NBA. We would become the modern NBA.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1870 » by the_process » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:53 am

sixers238 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:sixers238, I know we had this debate before, but I still don't see the benefit of having two max bigs in the modern NBA. Look how much better New Orleans got once Boogie went down and they were able to put more modern lineups out there around AD.


With Simmons/AD/Embiid, there would be no reason to adapt to the modern NBA.
We would become the modern NBA.


Except there’s no way the Sixers can get AD without moving Simmons or Embiid.

And for the record; the Celtics can certainly trade for AD, the only 5 year deal they have is Kyrie.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1871 » by ProcessDoctor » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:55 am

the_process wrote:
sixers238 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:sixers238, I know we had this debate before, but I still don't see the benefit of having two max bigs in the modern NBA. Look how much better New Orleans got once Boogie went down and they were able to put more modern lineups out there around AD.


With Simmons/AD/Embiid, there would be no reason to adapt to the modern NBA.
We would become the modern NBA.


Except there’s no way the Sixers can get AD without moving Simmons or Embiid.

And for the record; the Celtics can certainly trade for AD, the only 5 year deal they have is Kyrie.


A) That's your opinion based on nothing. When LA offers LeBron or Boston offers Kyrie, then maybe that's what it'd take. Until then, superstars getting traded for equal value will remain a myth.

B) They can't trade for him until Kyrie actually signs that 5-year deal next summer.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1872 » by Kobblehead » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:58 am

If a message board user claims we can get Anthony Davis for Saric and Covington, don't believe it. It will definitely take Simmons or Embiid to get Brow.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1873 » by ProcessDoctor » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:59 am

Kobblehead wrote:If a message board user claims we can get Anthony Davis for Saric and Covington, don't believe it. It will definitely take Simmons or Embiid to get Brow.


Re-read my post. It seems misinterpretation into what you want to hear/believe is a top skill of yours.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1874 » by Kobblehead » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:02 am

Davis is still team-controlled for 2 years before he can opt out. If New Orleans moves him this early, the price tag is gonna be astronomical.
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Post#1875 » by ProcessDoctor » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:11 am

Kobblehead wrote:Davis is still team-controlled for 2 years before he can opt out. If New Orleans moves him this early, the price tag is gonna be astronomical.


Let's say by the trade deadline he has a little over 1 season left on his contract. If he demands a trade by then, his true value will automatically vanish.

Before we even get into that, take a look at the return for star players who have demanded a trade:

Pau to LAL: Kwame, Crittenton, McKie, M. Gasol, and two 1sts
CP3 to LAC: Gordon, Aminu, Kaman, and MIN 1st
Dwight to LAL: Afflalo, Harrington, Vucevic, and three 1sts
Cousins to NOP: Hield, Tyreke, Galloway, and NOP 1st
George to OKC: Oladipo and Sabonis
Butler to MIN: Dunn, LaVine, and pick swap
Kawhi to TOR: Derozan, Poetl, and TOR 1st

With that in mind, what sort of astronomical package do you think anyone will give up knowing the diminished value of a superstar demanding a trade?

Davis (and Moore) to PHI: Fultz, Saric, Chandler, Bayless, and three 1sts

Is that package so unfair?

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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1876 » by the_process » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:13 am

sixers238 wrote:
the_process wrote:
sixers238 wrote:
With Simmons/AD/Embiid, there would be no reason to adapt to the modern NBA.
We would become the modern NBA.


Except there’s no way the Sixers can get AD without moving Simmons or Embiid.

And for the record; the Celtics can certainly trade for AD, the only 5 year deal they have is Kyrie.


A) That's your opinion based on nothing. When LA offers LeBron or Boston offers Kyrie, then maybe that's what it'd take. Until then, superstars getting traded for equal value will remain a myth.

B) They can't trade for him until Kyrie actually signs that 5-year deal next summer.


Why is NO moving AD? It’s not for the hell of it, and AD hasn’t asked out or caused trouble. Therefore you’re paying full value just to get them to listen. Any speculation further at this point is only that.

And Kyrie is the only Celtic on a 5 year deal. A team can have two 5 year deals at any time. Hayward and Horford only signed 4 year maxes. Therefore they can trade for AD now.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1877 » by ProcessDoctor » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:32 am

the_process wrote:
sixers238 wrote:
the_process wrote:
Except there’s no way the Sixers can get AD without moving Simmons or Embiid.

And for the record; the Celtics can certainly trade for AD, the only 5 year deal they have is Kyrie.


A) That's your opinion based on nothing. When LA offers LeBron or Boston offers Kyrie, then maybe that's what it'd take. Until then, superstars getting traded for equal value will remain a myth.

B) They can't trade for him until Kyrie actually signs that 5-year deal next summer.


Why is NO moving AD? It’s not for the hell of it, and AD hasn’t asked out or caused trouble. Therefore you’re paying full value just to get them to listen. Any speculation further at this point is only that.

And Kyrie is the only Celtic on a 5 year deal. A team can have two 5 year deals at any time. Hayward and Horford only signed 4 year maxes. Therefore they can trade for AD now.


If you have the ability to read, the AD trade scenario I was talking about involved a hypothetical situation where NOP underperforms and AD requests a trade by the deadline.

As for your hard-headedness regarding the Celtics:

The Boston Celtics will not be pursuing a trade for Anthony Davis this offseason. Not necessarily because they aren’t interested in a player of his caliber, but because they are prohibited from trading for two players signed using the Rose Rule according to Bobby Marks of ESPN. During the 2017 offseason, the Celtics traded for Kyrie Irving who was signed using the Rose Rule.


https://clutchpoints.com/celtics-news-boston-unable-to-acquire-a-player-like-anthony-davis-qualified-for-rose-rule/
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1878 » by the_process » Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:13 am

From the CBA FAQ: ”There is a limit to the number of designated players a team can have on its roster at a time. A team can have up to two designated rookies (who received a longer rookie scale extension) and up to two designated veterans (who received higher than the 30% maximum salary) at any time. However, only one designated rookie and one designated veteran may have been acquired from another team in a trade.”

Well, didn’t realize the CBA differentiated between designated vets and designated rooks or had that trade stipulation. Ok then. But Boston could still offer Kyrie along with Brown and a bunch of picks. Which trumps any non-Simmons or Embiid offer the Sixers can create in this world where AD has asked out and NO, for some reason, capitulates to his demand even though he still has two full controlled years left.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1879 » by cool93 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:19 am

sixers238 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Davis is still team-controlled for 2 years before he can opt out. If New Orleans moves him this early, the price tag is gonna be astronomical.


Let's say by the trade deadline he has a little over 1 season left on his contract. If he demands a trade by then, his true value will automatically vanish.

Before we even get into that, take a look at the return for star players who have demanded a trade:

CP3 to LAC: Gordon, Aminu, Kaman, and MIN 1st
Dwight to LAL: Afflalo, Harrington, Vucevic, and three 1sts
Cousins to NOP: Hield, Tyreke, Galloway, and NOP 1st
George to OKC: Oladipo and Sabonis
Butler to MIN: Dunn, LaVine, and pick swap
Kawhi to TOR: Derozan, Poetl, and TOR 1st

With that in mind, what sort of astronomical package do you think anyone will give up knowing the diminished value of a superstar demanding a trade?

Davis (and Moore) to PHI: Fultz, Saric, Chandler, Bayless, and three 1sts

Is that package so unfair?
Yes it is, Boston can offer better picks (thanks to Colangelo) and better prospects even without offering Tatum. If they offer Tatum, no one stands a chance.

And your offer is based on Fultz showing all-star upside, which is hard to believe right now. Without Fultz having #1 pick value, that offer is complete garbage.

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Post#1880 » by ProcessDoctor » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:03 pm

cool93 wrote:
sixers238 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Davis is still team-controlled for 2 years before he can opt out. If New Orleans moves him this early, the price tag is gonna be astronomical.


Let's say by the trade deadline he has a little over 1 season left on his contract. If he demands a trade by then, his true value will automatically vanish.

Before we even get into that, take a look at the return for star players who have demanded a trade:

CP3 to LAC: Gordon, Aminu, Kaman, and MIN 1st
Dwight to LAL: Afflalo, Harrington, Vucevic, and three 1sts
Cousins to NOP: Hield, Tyreke, Galloway, and NOP 1st
George to OKC: Oladipo and Sabonis
Butler to MIN: Dunn, LaVine, and pick swap
Kawhi to TOR: Derozan, Poetl, and TOR 1st

With that in mind, what sort of astronomical package do you think anyone will give up knowing the diminished value of a superstar demanding a trade?

Davis (and Moore) to PHI: Fultz, Saric, Chandler, Bayless, and three 1sts

Is that package so unfair?
Yes it is, Boston can offer better picks (thanks to Colangelo) and better prospects even without offering Tatum. If they offer Tatum, no one stands a chance.

And your offer is based on Fultz showing all-star upside, which is hard to believe right now. Without Fultz having #1 pick value, that offer is complete garbage.

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Please re-read my original post. What I’m saying is that even if they had all the picks in the entire NBA, they cannot trade for AD until Kyrie signs his new contract (unless they trade Kyrie himself).

Plus, trading the SAC pick before the deadline does nothing for NOP without them knowing it will actually convey. That pick won’t have definitive value until after the lottery. The LAC pick is a fake first. The Memphis pick will not be a top 10 pick unless they all re-injure themselves, but then makes it top 8 protected this year.

And yes, my scenario does say if Fultz shows promise as a potential all-star. Good job, you comprehended that part.
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