2016 NBA Draft/College Basketball Thread

[bryanwithawhy]

1. Simmons
2. Ingram
3. Bender
4. Dunn
5. Brown
6. Murray

Timothe Luwawu is a better prospect than Buddy Hield. Buddy cannot dribble or distribute and his defense is mediocre at best. As someone pointed out he is a slightly better version of Jodie Meeks. Hinkie will never draft someone like Hield in the top 5. He would trade out or draft Jaylen Brown or Kris Dunn.

[ET Da Gawd]

timothe luwawu better than hield??? LMAOOOOO Hield is a monster, we really need him, esp with his shooting and attacking

[bryanwithawhy]

Buddy Hield is a 6'4" SG who can't dribble or create for teammates. That kind of player is normally drafted in the late 1st. The fact that he is even being discussed as a top 5 pick shows you how bad this draft is.

He is going to be 23 at the start of the next NBA season. Hinkie won't even think about drafting someone like that.

[iMoreland]

1. Ben Simmons
2. Brandon Ingram
3. Dragan Bender
4. Jamal Murray
5. Kris Dunn
6. Jakob Poeltl
7. Jaylen Brown
8. Henry Ellenson
9. Skal Labissière
10. Timothe Luwawu
11. Demetrius Jackson
12. Wade Baldwin IV
13. Ivan Rabb
14. Buddy Hield
15. Denzel Valentine

[BobThornton]

Brian Snow ‏@BSnowScout 42m42 minutes ago

For the record, general consensus here among the NBA folks is Ingram will be the No. 1 pick in June, fwiw

[76ciology]

What I learned is that evolving your game from amateurs to the ideal model of how the NBA plays is a big part. And most GM knows Ingram has high probability to be elite with the way he plays, while I also share my doubts with Simmons and his style of play.

[sixers23]

Brian Snow ‏@BSnowScout 42m42 minutes ago

For the record, general consensus here among the NBA folks is Ingram will be the No. 1 pick in June, fwiw

that goes against everything ive heard

[bryanwithawhy]

It's ridiculous. Simmons will be drafted number 1. Ingram is a decent prospect but Simmons is on the KAT/Anthony Davis level.

[youngcrev]

It's ridiculous. Simmons will be drafted number 1. Ingram is a decent prospect but Simmons is on the KAT/Anthony Davis level.

I think that's old thinking. It was the prevailing thought 6 months ago, but this season raised some serious doubts. KAT was kind of the reverse of that.

I flip flop daily on who I would take. I thought I had settled on Ingram, but then I see what The Freak is doing for the Bucks at PG and I waiver.

[Negrodamus]

It's ridiculous. Simmons will be drafted number 1. Ingram is a decent prospect but Simmons is on the KAT/Anthony Davis level.

No way. Simmons doesn't have the length or shooting ability of those two. He's a great prospect, but he is only being hyped this much because of his handles and passing ability for a 6'11 guy. Ingram has the same length as the aforementioned prospects and better shooting capability. He can also play defense against a 3. I don't think there's a gap at all between them as prospects, and if there is, Ingram is the better one.

[Ericb5]

It's ridiculous. Simmons will be drafted number 1. Ingram is a decent prospect but Simmons is on the KAT/Anthony Davis level.

No way. Simmons doesn't have the length or shooting ability of those two. He's a great prospect, but he is only being hyped this much because of his handles and passing ability for a 6'11 guy. Ingram has the same length as the aforementioned prospects and better shooting capability. He can also play defense against a 3. I don't think there's a gap at all between them as prospects, and if there is, Ingram is the better one.

Towns and Davis aren't point forwards so it is a completely different set of skills that are being compared.

I think that the only way that Simmons falls to 2 is if there are serious red flags with him, and I don't mean things like inability to shoot, or having a diva like attitude.

I mean things like drugs, injuries, or sexual assault.

Still, I'm happy to have all of this negative publicity about him because it just increases the chances of him being there for us at 2 if that is where we land.





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[Negrodamus]

It's ridiculous. Simmons will be drafted number 1. Ingram is a decent prospect but Simmons is on the KAT/Anthony Davis level.

No way. Simmons doesn't have the length or shooting ability of those two. He's a great prospect, but he is only being hyped this much because of his handles and passing ability for a 6'11 guy. Ingram has the same length as the aforementioned prospects and better shooting capability. He can also play defense against a 3. I don't think there's a gap at all between them as prospects, and if there is, Ingram is the better one.

Towns and Davis aren't point forwards so it is a completely different set of skills that are being compared.

I think that the only way that Simmons falls to 2 is if there are serious red flags with him, and I don't mean things like inability to shoot, or having a diva like attitude.

I mean things like drugs, injuries, or sexual assault.

Still, I'm happy to have all of this negative publicity about him because it just increases the chances of him being there for us at 2 if that is where we land.





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I know this has been argued ad nauseam, but why is Simmons so unanimous over Ingram? He's not great defensively, lacks length for his position, limited as an NBA scorer... All things Ingram is as a prospect. Is it his flashy passes?

[Ericb5]

No way. Simmons doesn't have the length or shooting ability of those two. He's a great prospect, but he is only being hyped this much because of his handles and passing ability for a 6'11 guy. Ingram has the same length as the aforementioned prospects and better shooting capability. He can also play defense against a 3. I don't think there's a gap at all between them as prospects, and if there is, Ingram is the better one.

Towns and Davis aren't point forwards so it is a completely different set of skills that are being compared.

I think that the only way that Simmons falls to 2 is if there are serious red flags with him, and I don't mean things like inability to shoot, or having a diva like attitude.

I mean things like drugs, injuries, or sexual assault.

Still, I'm happy to have all of this negative publicity about him because it just increases the chances of him being there for us at 2 if that is where we land.





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I know this has been argued ad nauseam, but why is Simmons so unanimous over Ingram? He's not great defensively, lacks length for his position, limited as an NBA scorer... All things Ingram is as a prospect. Is it his flashy passes?

He has elite vision, passing, and feel for the game. He is better at those three things than Ingram is at anything.

Feel for the game is probably the number one hardest thing to teach, outside of just physical gifts.







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[Duke4life831]

Towns and Davis aren't point forwards so it is a completely different set of skills that are being compared.

I think that the only way that Simmons falls to 2 is if there are serious red flags with him, and I don't mean things like inability to shoot, or having a diva like attitude.

I mean things like drugs, injuries, or sexual assault.

Still, I'm happy to have all of this negative publicity about him because it just increases the chances of him being there for us at 2 if that is where we land.





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I know this has been argued ad nauseam, but why is Simmons so unanimous over Ingram? He's not great defensively, lacks length for his position, limited as an NBA scorer... All things Ingram is as a prospect. Is it his flashy passes?

He has elite vision, passing, and feel for the game. He is better at those three things than Ingram is at anything.

Feel for the game is probably the number one hardest thing to teach, outside of just physical gifts.







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And Ingram doesn't have a feel for the game? Ingram has a killer instinct that Simmons does not have and I will argue that is a pretty damn important trait. Ingram is the better defender, he can guard 3s and 4s better than Simmons and that is a wide gap. Ingram's length is far superior than Simmons, which kinda allows him to have a higher defensive potential. Ingram's shooting is leaps and bounds better than Simmons and shooting especially for a perimeter player is becoming one of the most important skills. Also Ingram is over a year younger than Simmons.

[Ericb5]

I know this has been argued ad nauseam, but why is Simmons so unanimous over Ingram? He's not great defensively, lacks length for his position, limited as an NBA scorer... All things Ingram is as a prospect. Is it his flashy passes?

He has elite vision, passing, and feel for the game. He is better at those three things than Ingram is at anything.

Feel for the game is probably the number one hardest thing to teach, outside of just physical gifts.







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And Ingram doesn't have a feel for the game? Ingram has a killer instinct that Simmons does not have and I will argue that is a pretty damn important trait. Ingram is the better defender, he can guard 3s and 4s better than Simmons and that is a wide gap. Ingram's length is far superior than Simmons, which kinda allows him to have a higher defensive potential. Ingram's shooting is leaps and bounds better than Simmons and shooting especially for a perimeter player is becoming one of the most important skills. Also Ingram is over a year younger than Simmons.

I love Ingram too, but I think that he is a Wiggins level prospect, and Simmons is more like an Anthony Davis level guy, if not better.

I would be thrilled with either of them, but I'll take Simmons all day, and in my mind it isn't even close.

Who knows what will happen. I was sure that Okafor was going to be picked before Russell last year too, and that still happened.






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[Duke4life831]

He has elite vision, passing, and feel for the game. He is better at those three things than Ingram is at anything.

Feel for the game is probably the number one hardest thing to teach, outside of just physical gifts.







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And Ingram doesn't have a feel for the game? Ingram has a killer instinct that Simmons does not have and I will argue that is a pretty damn important trait. Ingram is the better defender, he can guard 3s and 4s better than Simmons and that is a wide gap. Ingram's length is far superior than Simmons, which kinda allows him to have a higher defensive potential. Ingram's shooting is leaps and bounds better than Simmons and shooting especially for a perimeter player is becoming one of the most important skills. Also Ingram is over a year younger than Simmons.

I love Ingram too, but I think that he is a Wiggins level prospect, and Simmons is more like an Anthony Davis level guy, if not better.

I would be thrilled with either of them, but I'll take Simmons all day, and in my mind it isn't even close.

Who knows what will happen. I was sure that Okafor was going to be picked before Russell last year too, and that still happened.






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Im just curious but what about Simmons makes you think he is on the AD level or higher? Really the only skill Simmons is superior at is passing. Davis was the superior rebounder, shooter, much better physical attributes as well. His defense is on a completely different planet than Simmons. Guarding 1-5 Davis is the far far superior defender and Simmons defensive potential is nowhere near AD. And offensively Davis has a jumper with much greater form. The only thing Simmons has on Davis is passing and its not like he was Magic 2.0 either. He averaged 4.7 assists to 3.8 TOs in a terrible conference.

[Ericb5]

And Ingram doesn't have a feel for the game? Ingram has a killer instinct that Simmons does not have and I will argue that is a pretty damn important trait. Ingram is the better defender, he can guard 3s and 4s better than Simmons and that is a wide gap. Ingram's length is far superior than Simmons, which kinda allows him to have a higher defensive potential. Ingram's shooting is leaps and bounds better than Simmons and shooting especially for a perimeter player is becoming one of the most important skills. Also Ingram is over a year younger than Simmons.

I love Ingram too, but I think that he is a Wiggins level prospect, and Simmons is more like an Anthony Davis level guy, if not better.

I would be thrilled with either of them, but I'll take Simmons all day, and in my mind it isn't even close.

Who knows what will happen. I was sure that Okafor was going to be picked before Russell last year too, and that still happened.






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Im just curious but what about Simmons makes you think he is on the AD level or higher? Really the only skill Simmons is superior at is passing. Davis was the superior rebounder, shooter, much better physical attributes as well. His defense is on a completely different planet than Simmons. Guarding 1-5 Davis is the far far superior defender and Simmons defensive potential is nowhere near AD. And offensively Davis has a jumper with much greater form. The only thing Simmons has on Davis is passing and its not like he was Magic 2.0 either. He averaged 4.7 assists to 3.8 TOs in a terrible conference.

I don't know what more to say that I have said already.

Players are not just a collection of their skills. Just because one player is better than the other one in a number of categories doesn't mean that they are the better player.

I think that Simmons will have the ball in his hands more, and make his teammates better than any prospect in years.




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[Negrodamus]

I'll just say this, coach K and Calipari are similar in that they get their top prospects to play within the system at the sacrifice of stats. If Ben Simmons played at Duke or UK, he would have put up a great statline, but nowhere near what he did at LSU. He would have also probably won those teams a national championship.

AD put up ridiculous block statistics because its an individualized stat. His other stats were very good, but not like a Durant, Beasley, or Simmons. That's because Cal wanted him to get the easy buckets and play team basketball.

[marcush]

As an Australian, I have a vested interest in Simmons being a truly great player. He could really turn things around here where the game is not even a blip on the radar as we have never had that transcendent talent.

I think he can actually be a great player if used as a PG on offence who guards 4s on D, like Giannis. He really could set all sorts of (non Oscar) triple double records. But there's definitely a caveat there, he needs to be used the right way. If a team thinks they are getting the next Blake Griffin then he will not live up to that because he just really isn't that sort of dominant half court finisher that you expect from someone with this hype. And if he is primarily a perimeter player then he really has to improve that shooting. And if he wants to be a 2 way player then he really needs to improve that defense and motor.

With AD and Towns, there weren't these sorts of exceptions. They were almost bullet proof prospects. Prototypical size, length, athleticism, inside out offence, inside out defense, high character, good passing

So the hype Simmons received has helped his endorsements but these expectations a rather high for someone that needs genuine improvement to even be considered a 2 way player.

[Ericb5]

As an Australian, I have a vested interest in Simmons being a truly great player. He could really turn things around here where the game is not even a blip on the radar as we have never had that transcendent talent.

I think he can actually be a great player if used as a PG on offence who guards 4s on D, like Giannis. He really could set all sorts of (non Oscar) triple double records. But there's definitely a caveat there, he needs to be used the right way. If a team thinks they are getting the next Blake Griffin then he will not live up to that because he just really isn't that sort of dominant half court finisher that you expect from someone with this hype. And if he is primarily a perimeter player then he really has to improve that shooting. And if he wants to be a 2 way player then he really needs to improve that defense and motor.

With AD and Towns, there weren't these sorts of exceptions. They were almost bullet proof prospects. Prototypical size, length, athleticism, inside out offence, inside out defense, high character, good passing

So the hype Simmons received has helped his endorsements but these expectations a rather high for someone that needs genuine improvement to even be considered a 2 way player.

I agree with this.

For Simmons to reach his potential he will need the ball in his hands, but there shouldn't be any difficulty putting it in his hands because he deserves.

I always talk about pure point guards and my belief that they are born and not made. He is an X factor type of talent that isn't really pure, but he DOES have the born facilitating gene, and in that regard he is a point guard.

He is the type of guy that you throw out the formulas with.

If he comes to the Sixers I think we give him the ball and let him run the team. You have Okafor and Embiid in the front court and then you find great shooters at the other two spots.

I think that a lineup like that can work.





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