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Re: Joel Embiid - The Prophecy is Realized 

Post#1881 » by VDT » Thu Feb 6, 2020 12:06 am

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but I was told he didn't want to adjust for others....
He doesn't. Lol. In his ideal world he is dominating in the paint. He has said as much in the past. Every time he talks about being at the 3pt line to create space for others, he uses the word "sacrifice". Clearly, he would prefer to be closer to the basket and not getting triple teamed while his teammates can't knock down catch and shoot 3s.

Clearly, he would like his PG to take pull up jump shots rather than drive into traffic.

Clearly, he would like his PF and SF to not BOTH float into the paint or try to post up endlessly throughout games.

Clearly, he is correct that standing at the 3pt line is a sacrifice to his overall dominance.

He's doing it because he feels he HAS to in order to try to win games, not because he wants to so others feel more comfortable.

These quotes are so painfully obvious that Joel doesn't see himself fitting with Al and Ben.


That is biased.

He did adjust even if he doesnt like it, something that every other player of his caliber wouldnt do. Generally it is the lesser players that adjust to the better player not the opposite. Meanwhile there are players on the team that are still doing what they want.
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Re: Joel Embiid - The Prophecy is Realized 

Post#1882 » by Bum Adebayo » Thu Feb 6, 2020 12:11 am

As I stated several times, Brett has a preferency list, and Embiid is not on top by any means.
Personally I just think this team wants to build around Simmons but doesn't know how, either reducing Embiid's role or making him demand a trade somehow, but saving public face.
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Post#1883 » by Arsenal » Thu Feb 6, 2020 12:15 am

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Arsenal wrote:Proud of Embiid for holding out this long without completely blowing up. Very professional of him to sacrifice him game and not complain.

When we flame out this postseason, I'm quite sure he'll erupt and with good reason. It is criminal how badly this team has been constructed around him.
Valid point, but Embiid hasn't had much room to talk this year. Aside with being out of shape since training camp he's disappeared defensively while his offensive numbers have declined across the board. He's definitely been part of the problem.

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His numbers are mainly down because of the non-fitting roster around him. Our defense has been compromised by atrocious offense leading to run outs, fast breaks, and transition for the opposing team.

The best thing we can do for our defense is to fix our putrid offense.
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Post#1884 » by 76ciology » Thu Feb 6, 2020 1:31 am

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Post#1885 » by vossy_3 » Thu Feb 6, 2020 2:18 am

Talk about how bad the team is constructed around Embiid is absolute garbage.

Embiid is the PROBLEM!!

No work ethic, always unfit and seems lazy.

His poor body language and overall effort this season has been appalling.

The only thing is the possibility that his leg injuries have slowed him down to the point of no return to the Embiid we had before.
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Post#1886 » by kuclas » Thu Feb 6, 2020 2:22 am

Embiid also needs to make quicker decisions. Granted the post 2001 illegal defense rules I really think have hurt the big man the most. The “baiting” of the potential double team as Brett brown said. Make it harder to predict when the double team will actually come

Teams have figure Embiid has a harder knowing what to do with the double team. Embiid is too clumsy and has loose handles if he tries to put the ball and drive. Part of it is he’s too far out from the post. Notice he is most effective like any big man when he’s one dribble from the basket. Good things happen when he’s that close. Less turnover prone. He’s gonna to get fouled or a layup or dunk. It’s that simple.

But it’s a team effort. Embiid needs to stick his butt and plant it in low post early in the shot clock. Establish position quickly. Attack. If it’s not there. Move out.

This is basketball 101 here.
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Post#1887 » by Arsenal » Thu Feb 6, 2020 2:39 am

kuclas wrote:Embiid also needs to make quicker decisions. Granted the post 2001 illegal defense rules I really think have hurt the big man the most. The “baiting” of the potential double team as Brett brown said. Make it harder to predict when the double team will actually come

Teams have figure Embiid has a harder knowing what to do with the double team. Embiid is too clumsy and has loose handles if he tries to put the ball and drive. Part of it is he’s too far out from the post. Notice he is most effective like any big man when he’s one dribble from the basket. Good things happen when he’s that close. Less turnover prone. He’s gonna to get fouled or a layup or dunk. It’s that simple.

But it’s a team effort. Embiid needs to stick his butt and plant it in low post early in the shot clock. Establish position quickly. Attack. If it’s not there. Move out.

This is basketball 101 here.


He can't plant in the low post because he needs to hang out at the 3 point line to provide spacing for the shooting challenged roster around him.
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Post#1888 » by Eyeamok » Thu Feb 6, 2020 2:52 am

It's a real shame what has happened to the 76ers. Could last season be the highlight of the process. The quadruple bounce?

If I recall correctly spacing was not a major problem for Ben and Embiid before Harris and Al got here. Coach Brown needs to figure out a rotation that maximizes Embiid. Or else Embiid might be asking for a trade.

The thing is how does this team turn the switch on and off. Basically they are a different team at home. It's so uncanny.

I can see them beating the Bucks tomorrow, because that is how inconsistent they are.
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Re: Joel Embiid - The Prophecy is Realized 

Post#1889 » by Stanford » Thu Feb 6, 2020 2:56 am

Eyeamok wrote:It's a real shame what has happened to the 76ers. Could last season be the highlight of the process. The quadruple bounce?


Yeah, we're the Wizards.
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Post#1890 » by 76ciology » Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:10 am

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Post#1891 » by 76ciology » Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:16 am

Eyeamok wrote:It's a real shame what has happened to the 76ers. Could last season be the highlight of the process. The quadruple bounce?

If I recall correctly spacing was not a major problem for Ben and Embiid before Harris and Al got here. Coach Brown needs to figure out a rotation that maximizes Embiid. Or else Embiid might be asking for a trade.

The thing is how does this team turn the switch on and off. Basically they are a different team at home. It's so uncanny.

I can see them beating the Bucks tomorrow, because that is how inconsistent they are.


Offensively, a lot of it because our shooters are not star shooters. Im talking about guys like Dame that they are crowned stars because of their consistency. And we’re finding the balance of bullyball and a perimeter oriented game. One style doesnt fit on every opponent. Sometimes we have to bullyball to punish teams when they play small and sometimes we have to be perimeter oriented when teams have the length and the bodies to clog the paint.

Defensively, that for me is non negotiable. The last 2-3 games we’ve completely taken the foot off the gas on defense. Most of the problem lies with Thybulle making stupid gambles that didnt pay off,Embiid looked slow and the entire team getting outrebounded.

Then aside from that, our guys haven’t really had the time to gel. Biid’s suspension, Biid’s injury, Josh Rich’s injury then Al’s injury. The way we play, we need to gel to find our identity.
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Re: Joel Embiid - The Prophecy is Realized 

Post#1892 » by 76ciology » Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:22 am

For me the right way to run the offense is to run it like how the Spurs did on TD’s last years with the Spurs.

Run a pace and space game with crisp ball movements as primary (Ben attacking with 4 out offense). Then dump it to TD when the offense get stale (Biid at the post).
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Post#1893 » by Arsenal » Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:28 am

76ciology wrote:For me the right way to run the offense is to run it like how the Spurs did on TD’s last years with the Spurs.

Run a pace and space game with crisp ball movements as primary (Ben attacking with 4 out offense). Then dump it to TD when the offense get stale (Biid at the post).


This has zero chance of working with Horford on the floor. He needs to go to the bench or he needs to go. You cannot have him on the floor at the same time with Embiid and Simmons. That is 75% of the problem right there.
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Post#1894 » by 76ciology » Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:44 am

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76ciology wrote:For me the right way to run the offense is to run it like how the Spurs did on TD’s last years with the Spurs.

Run a pace and space game with crisp ball movements as primary (Ben attacking with 4 out offense). Then dump it to TD when the offense get stale (Biid at the post).


This has zero chance of working with Horford on the floor. He needs to go to the bench or he needs to go. You cannot have him on the floor at the same time with Embiid and Simmons. That is 75% of the problem right there.


Ideally, you want him on the floor. But right now, it’s not working on offense since Horford’s is going thru a shooting slump.

And in this scenario, you’d want a RELIABLE two way stretch 4. Something i’m saying that is our biggest need right now
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Post#1895 » by Arsenal » Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:03 am

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76ciology wrote:For me the right way to run the offense is to run it like how the Spurs did on TD’s last years with the Spurs.

Run a pace and space game with crisp ball movements as primary (Ben attacking with 4 out offense). Then dump it to TD when the offense get stale (Biid at the post).


This has zero chance of working with Horford on the floor. He needs to go to the bench or he needs to go. You cannot have him on the floor at the same time with Embiid and Simmons. That is 75% of the problem right there.


Ideally, you want him on the floor. But right now, it’s not working on offense since Horford’s is going thru a shooting slump.

And in this scenario, you’d want a RELIABLE two way stretch 4. Something i’m saying that is our biggest need right now


It's not a shooting slump. He's being asked to take far more 3's, including contested 3's, then ever before. He used to only take them when wide open and given a lot of time for his slow release. Now he's having to rush them and therefore missing much more.

He is a TERRIBLE fit in our starting lineup and will NEVER provide the spacing required around Simmons and Embiid. He must go.
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Post#1896 » by Eyeamok » Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:33 am

Arsenal wrote:
76ciology wrote:For me the right way to run the offense is to run it like how the Spurs did on TD’s last years with the Spurs.

Run a pace and space game with crisp ball movements as primary (Ben attacking with 4 out offense). Then dump it to TD when the offense get stale (Biid at the post).


This has zero chance of working with Horford on the floor. He needs to go to the bench or he needs to go. You cannot have him on the floor at the same time with Embiid and Simmons. That is 75% of the problem right there.


Coach Brown has time to turn it around but not that much time, 32 games left in the season. He is just so stubborn and slow to make changes.
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Post#1897 » by kuclas » Thu Feb 6, 2020 10:43 am

76ciology wrote:For me the right way to run the offense is to run it like how the Spurs did on TD’s last years with the Spurs.

Run a pace and space game with crisp ball movements as primary (Ben attacking with 4 out offense). Then dump it to TD when the offense get stale (Biid at the post).

Spurs had two guys on the floor who could take opposing defenders off the dribble in half court. Tony Parker and manu. Plus they had a very young promising player from San Diego who could defend Lebron man to man
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Re: Joel Embiid - The Prophecy is Realized 

Post#1898 » by VDT » Thu Feb 6, 2020 10:58 am

76ciology wrote:For me the right way to run the offense is to run it like how the Spurs did on TD’s last years with the Spurs.

Run a pace and space game with crisp ball movements as primary (Ben attacking with 4 out offense). Then dump it to TD when the offense get stale (Biid at the post).


You cant run that offense with either Simmons or Embiid. Neither is particularly good from 3 (or doesnt shoot at all), they both need to dominate the ball to get their offense and cant really play off ball and the team doesnt have anyone to break down the offense. I think this is the offense that Brown would like, ideally, to run but every year he gets more and more away from it because of the personnel. Which is not wrong, the offense adjusts to the personnel not the opposite.
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Post#1899 » by phillynative » Thu Feb 6, 2020 1:34 pm

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76ciology wrote:For me the right way to run the offense is to run it like how the Spurs did on TD’s last years with the Spurs.

Run a pace and space game with crisp ball movements as primary (Ben attacking with 4 out offense). Then dump it to TD when the offense get stale (Biid at the post).


You cant run that offense with either Simmons or Embiid. Neither is particularly good from 3 (or doesnt shoot at all), they both need to dominate the ball to get their offense and cant really play off ball and the team doesnt have anyone to break down the offense. I think this is the offense that Brown would like, ideally, to run but every year he gets more and more away from it because of the personnel. Which is not wrong, the offense adjusts to the personnel not the opposite.


Embiid has to stop biting his tongue at this point. He needs to tell Brand to go out and get him a guard and a shooter. Its probably too late this season but in the summer.
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Re: Joel Embiid - The Prophecy is Realized 

Post#1900 » by 76ciology » Fri Feb 7, 2020 1:26 am

Come on.. Joelous? i mean jealous?

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