2016 NBA Draft/College Basketball Thread

[Negrodamus]

Who does Simmons and Okafor guard in that scenario?

[marcush]

Who does Simmons and Okafor guard in that scenario?

Square pegs in round holes - the Sixers way.

[Ericb5]

Who does Simmons and Okafor guard in that scenario?

Simmons guards the 3 and Okafor guards the 4.


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[freshie2]

I prefer Simmons at the SF spot with the ball in his hands to create...the key is extended range from the 5 and a stretch 4. Same for Ingram...SF is the best spot...can't see him at the SG.

[Negrodamus]

Who does Simmons and Okafor guard in that scenario?

Simmons guards the 3 and Okafor guards the 4.


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How many points are we allowing right now? 107? Yea, that will be a problem.

[Ericb5]

Who does Simmons and Okafor guard in that scenario?

Simmons guards the 3 and Okafor guards the 4.


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How many points are we allowing right now? 107? Yea, that will be a problem.

If it proves untenable, then have Simmons defend the 4(he is a much better rebounder than Okafor anyway) and trade Okafor.

I Love Okafor and don't want to trade him, but Simmons is going to be a better player, and if we get him then we play him where he is most effective.

We will figure it out...


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[76ciology]

The problems with simmons is that you need him to be able to shoot in order to fit that model at the SF and PF position. While his strength of ballhandling and passing isn't heavily valued at PF position while it would be useless if won't translate into high volume scoring at the SF position. So why take the chance on Simmons, when Ingram is not only the safer prospect but has atleast the same upside of SImmons with his tools and age.

Ingram has that upside and the likelihood of having a game that translate well in the NBA setting. What I like about Ingram is that he won't just be able to score but imagine allowing your bigs to step out and having him rotate on defense to be a rim protector with his length and athleticism. Pretty much how the Spurs use Kawhi/Green - LMA/Diaw dynamic on defense.

[76ciology]

Who's more likely to be a better scorer/better shooter between Okafor and Simmons? Not a rhetorical question.

[marcush]

The problems with simmons is that you need him to be able to shoot in order to fit that model at the SF and PF position. While his strength of ballhandling and passing isn't heavily valued at PF position while it would be useless if won't translate into high volume scoring at the SF position. So why take the chance on Simmons, when Ingram is not only the safer prospect but has atleast the same upside of SImmons with his tools and age.

Ingram has that upside and the likelihood of having a game that translate well in the NBA setting. What I like about Ingram is that he won't just be able to score but imagine allowing your bigs to step out and having him rotate on defense to be a rim protector with his length and athleticism. Pretty much how the Spurs use Kawhi/Green - LMA/Diaw dynamic on defense.

You shouldn't take the chance on Simmons if you want a high volume scoring SF. Hes a natural pass first PG on offence but will defend the 2nd tallest player on the court. If its confusing, just watch how the Bucks are playing Giannis.

[Kolkmania]

I did not watch every game of LSU this year, but the games I did watch he was defending a big in the post. I occasionally saw some flashes of great footwork that could indicate he is able to defend the opponent's SF. Also, I could imagine it is very demotivating if you're being so misused as he was at LSU.

However, drafting Ingram is so much easier. He can shoot, play off-ball, potential great defender with that wingspan.

Life is hard.

[Wilfried]

It's going to be very tough to draft at #3 again this year.

[PhilasFinest]

Who's more likely to be a better scorer/better shooter between Okafor and Simmons? Not a rhetorical question.

Simply scoring??? Id say Okafor.

Okafor seriously could be one of the better offensive scorers in the entire league in the right situation. Kid has an arsenal of moves at such a young age and can only get better. He improved his FT shooting quickly, and started showing range on his jumper in less than half a season as well.


Simmons has a better all around game, but if were talking simply scoring....Okafor takes the cake.

[PhilasFinest]

It's going to be very tough to draft at #3 again this year.

Yea. Although honestly after this season, as long as the player we draft isn't a 1.Center and 2.Injured ill be excited.

[Ericb5]

Who's more likely to be a better scorer/better shooter between Okafor and Simmons? Not a rhetorical question.

Simply scoring??? Id say Okafor.

Okafor seriously could be one of the better offensive scorers in the entire league in the right situation. Kid has an arsenal of moves at such a young age and can only get better. He improved his FT shooting quickly, and started showing range on his jumper in less than half a season as well.


Simmons has a better all around game, but if were talking simply scoring....Okafor takes the cake.

Definitely Okafor is the better scorer, but depending on how Simmons is used he will probably have the ball in his hands a lot more than Okafor would so in raw numbers it may be different.

Okafor will always be dependent on the distributors for a lot of his offense. Not because he can't make his own offense, but because he needs to be given the ball.

[Ericb5]

The problems with simmons is that you need him to be able to shoot in order to fit that model at the SF and PF position. While his strength of ballhandling and passing isn't heavily valued at PF position while it would be useless if won't translate into high volume scoring at the SF position. So why take the chance on Simmons, when Ingram is not only the safer prospect but has atleast the same upside of SImmons with his tools and age.

Ingram has that upside and the likelihood of having a game that translate well in the NBA setting. What I like about Ingram is that he won't just be able to score but imagine allowing your bigs to step out and having him rotate on defense to be a rim protector with his length and athleticism. Pretty much how the Spurs use Kawhi/Green - LMA/Diaw dynamic on defense.

I don't think that they have the same upside, and that is the difference.

Simmons has more natural talent than Ingram imo, and therefore he should be the pick. We always talk about drafting for fit within tiers of prospects, and the issue with those that prefer Ingram is that they think that Ingram and Simmons are on the same tier.

I think that they are on different tiers, and therefore talent wins.

[PhilasFinest]

If you draft Simmons (which I'm completely fine with) you essentially have to commit to building your entire roster around him.

Simmons excels with the ball in his hands, being pretty much the point guard. Similar to a young LeBron James.
He lacks a consistent jumper and range (like LeBron early on), so you have to build a perimeter capable of shooting to make up for that weakness.

Simmons is also not exactly a lock down defender, especially if he's playing the 3. So the players who are needed to be shooters, now also have to be adequate defenders as well.

The more and more you look at Simmons, you probably have to say: "he's probably best suited at the PF spot initially". He can keep up with most 4's and his playmaking becomes a bigger mismatch at that spot than on the wings.


Drafting Simmons, likely forces our hand in moving 1 of Noel/Okafor ASAP. No way those 3 are fitting together. You have to get the best value for 1 of them (preferably a high 1st) and use that pick to try and acquire a younger perimeter player who can grow/fit with Simmons/Embiid/ Whoever's left.

[BobThornton]

If you draft Simmons (which I'm completely fine with) you essentially have to commit to building your entire roster around him.

Simmons excels with the ball in his hands, being pretty much the point guard. Similar to a young LeBron James.
He lacks a consistent jumper and range (like LeBron early on), so you have to build a perimeter capable of shooting to make up for that weakness.

Simmons is also not exactly a lock down defender, especially if he's playing the 3. So the players who are needed to be shooters, now also have to be adequate defenders as well.

The more and more you look at Simmons, you probably have to say: "he's probably best suited at the PF spot initially". He can keep up with most 4's and his playmaking becomes a bigger mismatch at that spot than on the wings.


Drafting Simmons, likely forces our hand in moving 1 of Noel/Okafor ASAP. No way those 3 are fitting together. You have to get the best value for 1 of them (preferably a high 1st) and use that pick to try and acquire a younger perimeter player who can grow/fit with Simmons/Embiid/ Whoever's left.

All of the things you need to do to make Simmons work.

Or you just draft Ingram and put him at 3. Boom. Done. Good offensive and defensive player. Don't have to remake entire roster just so he can dribble the ball around at 6'11" and not shoot.

[Ericb5]

If you draft Simmons (which I'm completely fine with) you essentially have to commit to building your entire roster around him.

Simmons excels with the ball in his hands, being pretty much the point guard. Similar to a young LeBron James.
He lacks a consistent jumper and range (like LeBron early on), so you have to build a perimeter capable of shooting to make up for that weakness.

Simmons is also not exactly a lock down defender, especially if he's playing the 3. So the players who are needed to be shooters, now also have to be adequate defenders as well.

The more and more you look at Simmons, you probably have to say: "he's probably best suited at the PF spot initially". He can keep up with most 4's and his playmaking becomes a bigger mismatch at that spot than on the wings.


Drafting Simmons, likely forces our hand in moving 1 of Noel/Okafor ASAP. No way those 3 are fitting together. You have to get the best value for 1 of them (preferably a high 1st) and use that pick to try and acquire a younger perimeter player who can grow/fit with Simmons/Embiid/ Whoever's left.

All of the things you need to do to make Simmons work.

Or you just draft Ingram and put him at 3. Boom. Done. Good offensive and defensive player. Don't have to remake entire roster just so he can dribble the ball around at 6'11" and not shoot.

5 years from now if Simmons is Lebron, and Ingram is Gay then you see the difference. I'm not saying that will happen, but that is certainly the risk of not drafting the most talented player.

[bryanwithawhy]

Simmons best position with be the 4 where he still has the size to play 4's defensively but will be able to use his quickness to blow by them on offense. Putting him at the 1 really neutralizes his biggest asset which is his size/speed combo. I think Hinkie wants to play like the Warriors on defense -- where they have five guys who can switch everything and defend almost anyone on the court.

It's why I think they'll keep Noel and trade Okafor.

[BobThornton]

If you draft Simmons (which I'm completely fine with) you essentially have to commit to building your entire roster around him.

Simmons excels with the ball in his hands, being pretty much the point guard. Similar to a young LeBron James.
He lacks a consistent jumper and range (like LeBron early on), so you have to build a perimeter capable of shooting to make up for that weakness.

Simmons is also not exactly a lock down defender, especially if he's playing the 3. So the players who are needed to be shooters, now also have to be adequate defenders as well.

The more and more you look at Simmons, you probably have to say: "he's probably best suited at the PF spot initially". He can keep up with most 4's and his playmaking becomes a bigger mismatch at that spot than on the wings.


Drafting Simmons, likely forces our hand in moving 1 of Noel/Okafor ASAP. No way those 3 are fitting together. You have to get the best value for 1 of them (preferably a high 1st) and use that pick to try and acquire a younger perimeter player who can grow/fit with Simmons/Embiid/ Whoever's left.

All of the things you need to do to make Simmons work.

Or you just draft Ingram and put him at 3. Boom. Done. Good offensive and defensive player. Don't have to remake entire roster just so he can dribble the ball around at 6'11" and not shoot.

5 years from now if Simmons is Lebron, and Ingram is Gay then you see the difference. I'm not saying that will happen, but that is certainly the risk of not drafting the most talented player.

I'm not ceding the fact that Simmons is more talented than Ingram. Doesn't shooting count as a talent? 15 months younger, standing reach of 4" more, what 41% from 3? And again, people on this board just kill Okafor for his defense and effort, when Simmons has exhibited the exact same traits. Why does he get a pass?