2017-2018 College Basketball / '18 NBA Draft Thread

[PLO]

Like with all due respect to Stanley Johnson, and this is looking at it today, I'm taking a flyer on Melvin Frazier in the second round in this draft over him.

[76ciology]

Why is nobody talking how bad this 2018 draft is? I feel like BC and Ainge knew about this.

This is literally EVERY SINGLE DRAFT for years now. Online sites hype up high school kids for years and the 'next draft' is going to be the best since LeBron/Melo/Wade/etc... in 2003. Then these kids play in college and the shine fades a bit, flaws are seen and focused on and then people shift their focus to the next year.

Second verse, same as the first. ad infinitum

C position is hard to put heavy value unless you're talking about generational talent or unicorns, similar to 2015 draft.

Personally, I find this draft deep at the C position. Problem for me is I find most to be non generational or unicorns.

Generally, I find most drafts to have lots of noise and you'll be prone to be a victim to make bad evaluation with these noise by overanalyzing. While most fans and media making it a ego pissing contest.

Basing on my experience of MISTAKES, it should just be a straight forward evaluation of important traits and how likely they'll improve/translate those important traits.

Like I find Ayton's stl% and blk% to be alarmingly low that I don't think it will make up for his 20-10 game, similar to Enes Kanter. I also find Bagley to have questionable perimeter shooting at forward position, low assists numbers and also low stl% and blk% that I can't see him as a high impact 2 way player.

Then again, I could be wrong. Even the best draft evaluators makes a lot of big mistakes

[Negrodamus]

When you have the Martin brothers, Keita Bates Diop, Shake Milton, Melvin Frazier, Jalen Brunson, Jevon Carter, and so on all potentially going in the second round, it’s a super deep draft. I don’t think that needs much explaining.

[the_process]

When you have the Martin brothers, Keita Bates Diop, Shake Milton, Melvin Frazier, Jalen Brunson, Jevon Carter, and so on all potentially going in the second round, it’s a super deep draft. I don’t think that needs much explaining.

Fortunately for us, BC will sell all the 2nds so all the other teams can worry about it!

[No-Man]

Like with all due respect to Stanley Johnson, and this is looking at it today, I'm taking a flyer on Melvin Frazier in the second round in this draft over him.

I would not honestly, Johnson has an NBA skill

[No-Man]

When you have the Martin brothers, Keita Bates Diop, Shake Milton, Melvin Frazier, Jalen Brunson, Jevon Carter, and so on all potentially going in the second round, it’s a super deep draft. I don’t think that needs much explaining.

the Martins probably return, Milton is fine, might go in the 1st, Keita is alright, I remain suspicious about his D, and not sure what he brings on offense unless he cuts those mid-rangers and just sticks to been a 3 pt shooter, and he is just okay at that (not a fan of his mechanics), honestly he translates much better to Euroball, but might stick, might go in the 1st also, Frazier is far from been useful in any rotation and would be 22 when the season starts, he is worth taking a flyer on but could easily be out of the league in 1-2 yeas, Brunson is fine, but you can find back-up PGs anywhere, that applies even more to Carter since he can only play PG if you have someone that can create offense, he is basically a press-defender (limited in terms of agility but can body up and guard bigger guys) and an okay shooter, he can be useful but nothing spectaular.

I don't like the depth of this draft much honestly.

[Kobblehead]

C position is hard to put heavy value unless you're talking about generational talent or unicorns, similar to 2015 draft.

Personally, I find this draft deep at the C position. Problem for me is I find most to be non generational or unicorns.

I think Jaren Jackson is a better prospect than both Towns and Porzingis. Which is why I think he should be the consensus #1. Just as skilled with an added elite defensive profile that neither of them have.

[Negrodamus]

When you have the Martin brothers, Keita Bates Diop, Shake Milton, Melvin Frazier, Jalen Brunson, Jevon Carter, and so on all potentially going in the second round, it’s a super deep draft. I don’t think that needs much explaining.

the Martins probably return, Milton is fine, might go in the 1st, Keita is alright, I remain suspicious about his D, and not sure what he brings on offense unless he cuts those mid-rangers and just sticks to been a 3 pt shooter, and he is just okay at that (not a fan of his mechanics), honestly he translates much better to Euroball, but might stick, might go in the 1st also, Frazier is far from been useful in any rotation and would be 22 when the season starts, he is worth taking a flyer on but could easily be out of the league in 1-2 yeas, Brunson is fine, but you can find back-up PGs anywhere, that applies even more to Carter since he can only play PG if you have someone that can create offense, he is basically a press-defender (limited in terms of agility but can body up and guard bigger guys) and an okay shooter, he can be useful but nothing spectaular.

I don't like the depth of this draft much honestly.

Okay, my opinion on some of those players are different. Thus, why I think it's a deep draft.

[NBA Fan 1234]

When you have the Martin brothers, Keita Bates Diop, Shake Milton, Melvin Frazier, Jalen Brunson, Jevon Carter, and so on all potentially going in the second round, it’s a super deep draft. I don’t think that needs much explaining.

the Martins probably return, Milton is fine, might go in the 1st, Keita is alright, I remain suspicious about his D, and not sure what he brings on offense unless he cuts those mid-rangers and just sticks to been a 3 pt shooter, and he is just okay at that (not a fan of his mechanics), honestly he translates much better to Euroball, but might stick, might go in the 1st also, Frazier is far from been useful in any rotation and would be 22 when the season starts, he is worth taking a flyer on but could easily be out of the league in 1-2 yeas, Brunson is fine, but you can find back-up PGs anywhere, that applies even more to Carter since he can only play PG if you have someone that can create offense, he is basically a press-defender (limited in terms of agility but can body up and guard bigger guys) and an okay shooter, he can be useful but nothing spectaular.

I don't like the depth of this draft much honestly.

Okay, my opinion on some of those players are different. Thus, why I think it's a deep draft.

I'm with you. Even though there might be fewer franchise talents, that doesn't diminish the overall outlook of the draft. There are guys in the second round (or at least projected to go there) like the ones you've mentioned who could become quality role players.

The way I see it is this - all teams should strike to hit their first-round pick(s). The good teams are the ones that do that regularly (or, I guess, get really lucky and get a franchise talent right off the bat). Hitting on second-round picks (and late first round picks) is what separates the good teams from the great teams. Finding that gem who is undervalued in the late first and second-round is what creates consistently good teams.

[JojoSlimbiid]

C position is hard to put heavy value unless you're talking about generational talent or unicorns, similar to 2015 draft.

Personally, I find this draft deep at the C position. Problem for me is I find most to be non generational or unicorns.

I think Jaren Jackson is a better prospect than both Towns and Porzingis. Which is why I think he should be the consensus #1. Just as skilled with an added elite defensive profile that neither of them have.

This is some heavy praise. He looks like a rim runner who fouls too much for my liking. I see the appeal but not that much.

[nitocobola]

there's no way that we draft miles bridges unless colangelo decides to go BPA.

Saric and bolden coming over, don't see it at all

[Mik317]

My complaint was only speaking on the lack of franchise changing type prospects...its a pretty deep draft for solid starter to role player types.

[Kobblehead]

I don't see the lack of franchise talent that some of you do. I think this draft has more guys that could go #1 in a typical draft than any in recent memory.

We got a reclassification from the top highschool player in 2019 and we have an international phenom ontop of all the elite 2018 1-and-dones.

To me, this draft is loaded with franchise talent while still being extremely deep with starters and rotation players. I think it's incredible.

[LloydFree]

I don't see the lack of franchise talent that some of you do. I think this draft has more guys that could go #1 in a typical draft than any in recent memory.

We got a reclassification from the top highschool player in 2019 and we have an international phenom ontop of all the elite 2018 1-and-dones.

To me, this draft is loaded with franchise talent while still being extremely deep with starters and rotation players. I think it's incredible.

The top 2-3 in this draft are better prospects than the #1 from last year. And the top 10 has starting quality players, just like any other draft.

[Unbreakable99]

If Michael Porter Jr falls to us with the Lakers pick would you guys want him?

[Negrodamus]

If Michael Porter Jr falls to us with the Lakers pick would you guys want him?

Probably not. He really doesn't interest me, talent-wise, and the health risk makes it even worse.

[Unbreakable99]

If Michael Porter Jr falls to us with the Lakers pick would you guys want him?

Probably not. He really doesn't interest me, talent-wise, and the health risk makes it even worse.

Who do you want who will realistically be there when we draft with the Lakers pick and our pick?

[NBA Fan 1234]

If Michael Porter Jr falls to us with the Lakers pick would you guys want him?

Probably not. He really doesn't interest me, talent-wise, and the health risk makes it even worse.

Who do you want who will realistically be there when we draft with the Lakers pick and our pick?

Mikal Bridges is an absolutely perfect fit with the 6ers at the Lakers pick, if available. Late first, I’d go for a backup point or backup big.

MPJr is overrated by quite a bit, even though he played badly in the few games he played this year coming off back surgery (which is always bad). Even last year he was being overrated.

[Unbreakable99]

Probably not. He really doesn't interest me, talent-wise, and the health risk makes it even worse.

Who do you want who will realistically be there when we draft with the Lakers pick and our pick?

Mikal Bridges is an absolutely perfect fit with the 6ers at the Lakers pick, if available. Late first, I’d go for a backup point or backup big.

MPJr is overrated by quite a bit, even though he played badly in the few games he played this year coming off back surgery (which is always bad). Even last year he was being overrated.

Agree on Mikal. I really like him and hope he can fall to us. I think he is a better Covington. He’s Covington with quicker feet to play better D and better handles to drive. He’s Covington on steroids in my opinion. I want a backup center. I wouldn’t mind Wendell Carter with that Lakers pick either if he falls. Maybe get Robert Williams with our pick. When Embiid is out of the game or misses a game I don’t want our defensive intensity to go down. I want a shot blocker and rebounder there.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Who do you want who will realistically be there when we draft with the Lakers pick and our pick?

Mikal Bridges is an absolutely perfect fit with the 6ers at the Lakers pick, if available. Late first, I’d go for a backup point or backup big.

MPJr is overrated by quite a bit, even though he played badly in the few games he played this year coming off back surgery (which is always bad). Even last year he was being overrated.

Agree on Mikal. I really like him and hope he can fall to us. I think he is a better Covington. He’s Covington with quicker feet to play better D and better handles to drive. He’s Covington on steroids in my opinion. I want a backup center. I wouldn’t mind Wendell Carter with that Lakers pick either if he falls. Maybe get Robert Williams with our pick. When Embiid is out of the game or misses a game I don’t want our defensive intensity to go down. I want a shot blocker and rebounder there.

Carter was another guy I thought of, but I'm not a huge fan of the fit with Embiid if you decide to go 2 big. I think the safer pick in terms of lineup fit and fit for the entire team would be Mikal. I see him as a longer (better, hopefully) Khris Middleton (who I also loved in college) or a rich man's Otto Porter. His handles aren't that great, though - very basic. He has a one-two dribble pull up, but you're not getting more advanced than that really. Has a post game, but it's all focused on going middle first and then either bullying to rim or drop stepping - no turnaround jumper. *I go into further detail in my blog post.* However, this can all change because he apparently has an unbelievable work ethic.

I'd be surprised if Williams fell to the 20s - he has the physical tools, elite rebounding, elite defense, and can finish in the paint at a high level, but his lack of improvement on offense is worrisome to me - does he really love the game? You could probably package your pick + two seconds to get him, but then you lose out on guys like Brunson, Graham, KBD, etc in the second. If you're looking for a backup big, someone like Metu will be there at your pick (and will likely last to early second, if he enters). McCoy is projected to go around where you pick, but his defense is pretty bad.