So what's the pivot? (Beal, Lavine, or smaller moves)? - Post Harden ideas and rumors

[LloydFree]

The biggest trade I'm willing to make is Green + Maxey + NYK 2nd for Oladipo. Otherwise, we need to save our ammo for the next available star.

I want Green for the playoffs. Sub out Green and the 2nd, and give them Bradley, Ferguson, Porier, Scott and the 1st round pick. That's 17.5m in salary for Oladipo. Tucker can be acquired in the trade exception.

[51X3RF4N]

After Morey's recent comments it sounds to me like it would be pretty shocking for any big name to be moved to Philly.

I fully expect one of Tucker or Bjelica to be brought in for the TPE, and second round picks sent out.

And then maybe something like Ferguson and Scott for Wright or Hill.

It would be my preference to see role players on cheaper 3+ year deals brought in for the expirings and picks, but I don't think those kinds of moves get made because it would cost too much.

Ross, Osman, Nance, Kleber would be my type of targets but I highly doubt those teams give up good contracts for expiring contracts without charging too high a price.

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[Kobblehead]

These days, Oladipo is embodying the worst aspects of Westbrook's game. I just don't see the current appeal in him.

Maxey is going to be an ace contributor for us in the next 2-4 years. Green is a fantastic piece for our current playoff run.

It's funny because we were pretty down on Maxey defensively, and offensively, I'm not sure what your prediction was. Just don't think it was good enough to not trade him.

My prediction was perfect. Go back and ready that Maxey thread first few pages. Just because I didn't think Maxey was a well-rounded prospect doesn't mean I don't value his insane shotcreation ability. I'm not dumping him for some diminished has-been on an expiring contract.

[spikeslovechild]

Considering the last supposed holdup in the Harden trade was Maxey I'd prefer we not move him for a rental or scrubs. Also I like the organization appears to value him highly as a prospect.

Moving him for Oli or Lowry would mean to me anyways the organization massively misjudged him as an asset from someone who would move the needle in a trade versus someone who can only be used to acquire spare parts.

[youngcrev]

Considering the last supposed holdup in the Harden trade was Maxey I'd prefer we not move him for a rental or scrubs. Also I like the organization appears to value him highly as a prospect.

Moving him for Oli or Lowry would mean to me anyways the organization massively misjudged him as an asset from someone who would move the needle in a trade versus someone who can only be used to acquire spare spots.

Eh, the vibe I got was that the Rockets were never going to stop asking for more and that Maxey happens to be where they said enough is enough. Not saying my read is the correct one, I just have a hard time seeing Maxey as that valued of a piece, either from within or outside the organization. If I'm not mistaken, that rumor was pretty much immediately following the 39 point game.

Though I'm clearly far less hesitant on Lowry than most here. I get he's old and expiring, some seem to not realize that those two things are very much baked into the price being discussed (clearly Maxey doesn't even put you in the conversation if Lowry is 30 and on an ideal contract). I also don't think they'd try to acquire him if he was only viewed as a rental.

[spikeslovechild]

Considering the last supposed holdup in the Harden trade was Maxey I'd prefer we not move him for a rental or scrubs. Also I like the organization appears to value him highly as a prospect.

Moving him for Oli or Lowry would mean to me anyways the organization massively misjudged him as an asset from someone who would move the needle in a trade versus someone who can only be used to acquire spare spots.

Eh, the vibe I got was that the Rockets were never going to stop asking for more and that Maxey happens to be where they said enough is enough. Not saying my read is the correct one, I just have a hard time seeing Maxey as that valued of a piece, either from within or outside the organization. If I'm not mistaken, that rumor was pretty much immediately following the 39 point game.

Though I'm clearly far less hesitant on Lowry than most here. I get he's old and expiring, some seem to not realize that those two things are very much baked into the price being discussed (clearly Maxey doesn't even put you in the conversation if Lowry is 30 and on an ideal contract). I also don't think they'd try to acquire him if he was only viewed as a rental.

I mean the tweets were we were looking to keep Maxey out of any trade and the last sticking point was out reluctance to include him after relenting on Simmons. I can post them again if you want. Of course that doesn't mean we wouldn't include Maxey plus picks if it was the only ask but it does show the organization values and regards him highly much more so then many fans on this board appear to.

As far as Lowry goes he is a rental so to be as frank as possible I don't think we should be paying more then that in any trade. Also he is clearly in his decline phase so signing him to extension really isn't that appealing nor is the opportunity worth giving up extra for in a trade. As a fan I sort of understand just saying he is better then the MLE and not caring about the financial impact to the owner (I certainly don't) but an opposing GM calling Morey and asking for extra for the privilege of signing a declining veteran to a big money extension doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

So for me anyways there are RFA rental players with significant upside who I'd rather target and look to extend especially if we are giving up young assets. I mean Lonzo is one name. Collins is another. Gary Trent Jr. Lauri Markkanen, Why not target an ascending player in that situation?

[zaz102]

Considering the last supposed holdup in the Harden trade was Maxey I'd prefer we not move him for a rental or scrubs. Also I like the organization appears to value him highly as a prospect.

Moving him for Oli or Lowry would mean to me anyways the organization massively misjudged him as an asset from someone who would move the needle in a trade versus someone who can only be used to acquire spare spots.

Eh, the vibe I got was that the Rockets were never going to stop asking for more and that Maxey happens to be where they said enough is enough. Not saying my read is the correct one, I just have a hard time seeing Maxey as that valued of a piece, either from within or outside the organization. If I'm not mistaken, that rumor was pretty much immediately following the 39 point game.

Though I'm clearly far less hesitant on Lowry than most here. I get he's old and expiring, some seem to not realize that those two things are very much baked into the price being discussed (clearly Maxey doesn't even put you in the conversation if Lowry is 30 and on an ideal contract). I also don't think they'd try to acquire him if he was only viewed as a rental.

I mean the tweets were we were looking to keep Maxey out of any trade and the last sticking point was out reluctance to include him after relenting on Simmons. I can post them again if you want. Of course that doesn't mean we wouldn't include Maxey plus picks if it was the only ask but it does show the organization values and regards him highly much more so then many fans on this board appear to.

As far as Lowry goes he is a rental so to be as frank as possible I don't think we should be paying more then that in any trade. Also he is clearly in his decline phase so signing him to extension really isn't that appealing and the opportunity worth giving up extra for in a trade to me the only appealing aspect of an extension is that as an already maxed out cap team we likely won't get better then him with the MLE so if the owner is cool with paying him more then we probably should as he declines why should I care as a fan?

But to me anyways there are RFA rental players with significant upside who I'd rather target and look to extend especially if we are giving up young assets. I mean Lonzo is one name. Collins is another. Gary Trent Jr. Lauri Markkanen, Why not target an ascending player in that situation?

I think ideally they need to find a starting G/F that can help them win and can sign for something like $15M or less for the next year or two.

The guys you mentioned would be great, but Lowry would be as well. I'd assume some (if not all) the guys you listed might be above that. Although, Lowry could be as well.

If I was going for a straight up rental, Lowry is probably the best bet to help them win this year. Of course the cost of the trade is super important in evaluating which moves to make/not make.

[spikeslovechild]

Eh, the vibe I got was that the Rockets were never going to stop asking for more and that Maxey happens to be where they said enough is enough. Not saying my read is the correct one, I just have a hard time seeing Maxey as that valued of a piece, either from within or outside the organization. If I'm not mistaken, that rumor was pretty much immediately following the 39 point game.

Though I'm clearly far less hesitant on Lowry than most here. I get he's old and expiring, some seem to not realize that those two things are very much baked into the price being discussed (clearly Maxey doesn't even put you in the conversation if Lowry is 30 and on an ideal contract). I also don't think they'd try to acquire him if he was only viewed as a rental.

I mean the tweets were we were looking to keep Maxey out of any trade and the last sticking point was out reluctance to include him after relenting on Simmons. I can post them again if you want. Of course that doesn't mean we wouldn't include Maxey plus picks if it was the only ask but it does show the organization values and regards him highly much more so then many fans on this board appear to.

As far as Lowry goes he is a rental so to be as frank as possible I don't think we should be paying more then that in any trade. Also he is clearly in his decline phase so signing him to extension really isn't that appealing and the opportunity worth giving up extra for in a trade to me the only appealing aspect of an extension is that as an already maxed out cap team we likely won't get better then him with the MLE so if the owner is cool with paying him more then we probably should as he declines why should I care as a fan?

But to me anyways there are RFA rental players with significant upside who I'd rather target and look to extend especially if we are giving up young assets. I mean Lonzo is one name. Collins is another. Gary Trent Jr. Lauri Markkanen, Why not target an ascending player in that situation?

I think ideally they need to find a starting G/F that can help them win and can sign for something like $15M or less for the next year or two.

The guys you mentioned would be great, but Lowry would be as well. I'd assume some (if not all) the guys you listed might be above that. Although, Lowry could be as well.

If I was going for a straight up rental, Lowry is probably the best bet to help them win this year. Of course the cost of the trade is super important in evaluating which moves to make/not make.

I guess what I am trying to say is I don't find Lowry age 36 or 37 years all that valuable. I mean he can probably get 15-20M AAV for like you said 1-2 yrs from a team but it sort reminds me of Redick I mean it sucked losing what he was for us but what he was going to be moving forward was not going to be what he was.

Lowry is sort of in the same situation and he has already declined. If people here think he is going to be the same player next year or at age 37 as he is now I don't know what to tell you. So when a person says well you can resign Lowry like that is some sort of value added feature I shrug my shoulders.

On the otherhand those other players I mentioned are actually all improving their games so if Harris is willing to foot the bill they'd be the rental guys I'd target for extension and would be willing to part with some longterm assets particularly Lonzo who I hated coming out for Lowry the most I'd be ok for would 2nd round picks and expirings. This talk of Maxey to me is crazy. Raptors can keep him.

[youngcrev]

Considering the last supposed holdup in the Harden trade was Maxey I'd prefer we not move him for a rental or scrubs. Also I like the organization appears to value him highly as a prospect.

Moving him for Oli or Lowry would mean to me anyways the organization massively misjudged him as an asset from someone who would move the needle in a trade versus someone who can only be used to acquire spare spots.

Eh, the vibe I got was that the Rockets were never going to stop asking for more and that Maxey happens to be where they said enough is enough. Not saying my read is the correct one, I just have a hard time seeing Maxey as that valued of a piece, either from within or outside the organization. If I'm not mistaken, that rumor was pretty much immediately following the 39 point game.

Though I'm clearly far less hesitant on Lowry than most here. I get he's old and expiring, some seem to not realize that those two things are very much baked into the price being discussed (clearly Maxey doesn't even put you in the conversation if Lowry is 30 and on an ideal contract). I also don't think they'd try to acquire him if he was only viewed as a rental.

I mean the tweets were we were looking to keep Maxey out of any trade and the last sticking point was out reluctance to include him after relenting on Simmons. I can post them again if you want. Of course that doesn't mean we wouldn't include Maxey plus picks if it was the only ask but it does show the organization values and regards him highly much more so then many fans on this board appear to.

As far as Lowry goes he is a rental so to be as frank as possible I don't think we should be paying more then that in any trade. Also he is clearly in his decline phase so signing him to extension really isn't that appealing nor is the opportunity worth giving up extra for in a trade. As a fan I sort of understand just saying he is better then the MLE and not caring about the financial impact to the owner (I certainly don't) but an opposing GM calling Morey and asking for extra for the privilege of signing a declining veteran to a big money extension doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

So for me anyways there are RFA rental players with significant upside who I'd rather target and look to extend especially if we are giving up young assets. I mean Lonzo is one name. Collins is another. Gary Trent Jr. Lauri Markkanen, Why not target an ascending player in that situation?

To me "rental", in NBA terms, means acquiring a player for the remainder of a season without intent to re-sign them, so I wouldn't classify acquiring Lowry or an upcoming RFA as such.

Those names you mentioned also probably cost as much if not more in terms of cost of acquisition, probably wouldn't be much cheaper in the offseason, and would have nowhere near the immediate impact on our championship odds.

To me, Lowry pushes this team into legit, as good of odds as anyone, contender status right away.

[spikeslovechild]

Eh, the vibe I got was that the Rockets were never going to stop asking for more and that Maxey happens to be where they said enough is enough. Not saying my read is the correct one, I just have a hard time seeing Maxey as that valued of a piece, either from within or outside the organization. If I'm not mistaken, that rumor was pretty much immediately following the 39 point game.

Though I'm clearly far less hesitant on Lowry than most here. I get he's old and expiring, some seem to not realize that those two things are very much baked into the price being discussed (clearly Maxey doesn't even put you in the conversation if Lowry is 30 and on an ideal contract). I also don't think they'd try to acquire him if he was only viewed as a rental.

I mean the tweets were we were looking to keep Maxey out of any trade and the last sticking point was out reluctance to include him after relenting on Simmons. I can post them again if you want. Of course that doesn't mean we wouldn't include Maxey plus picks if it was the only ask but it does show the organization values and regards him highly much more so then many fans on this board appear to.

As far as Lowry goes he is a rental so to be as frank as possible I don't think we should be paying more then that in any trade. Also he is clearly in his decline phase so signing him to extension really isn't that appealing nor is the opportunity worth giving up extra for in a trade. As a fan I sort of understand just saying he is better then the MLE and not caring about the financial impact to the owner (I certainly don't) but an opposing GM calling Morey and asking for extra for the privilege of signing a declining veteran to a big money extension doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

So for me anyways there are RFA rental players with significant upside who I'd rather target and look to extend especially if we are giving up young assets. I mean Lonzo is one name. Collins is another. Gary Trent Jr. Lauri Markkanen, Why not target an ascending player in that situation?

To me "rental", in NBA terms, means acquiring a player for the remainder of a season without intent to re-sign them, so I wouldn't classify acquiring Lowry or an upcoming RFA as such.

Those names you mentioned also probably cost as much if not more in terms of cost of acquisition, probably wouldn't be much cheaper in the offseason, and would have nowhere near the immediate impact on our championship odds.

To me, Lowry pushes this team into legit, as good of odds as anyone, contender status right away.

It doesn't for me and one thing moving for those guys does is allow us to keep Green who has played well for us. In the nearterm I am not sure as an example Green plus Lonzo isn't better then Lowry. In the longterm trading for these guys is the better option and with Embiid, Harris and Simmons age it's not like we are in a position where we are forced to sell out for one year anyways.

[HardenToSixers]

Considering the last supposed holdup in the Harden trade was Maxey I'd prefer we not move him for a rental or scrubs. Also I like the organization appears to value him highly as a prospect.

Moving him for Oli or Lowry would mean to me anyways the organization massively misjudged him as an asset from someone who would move the needle in a trade versus someone who can only be used to acquire spare spots.

Eh, the vibe I got was that the Rockets were never going to stop asking for more and that Maxey happens to be where they said enough is enough. Not saying my read is the correct one, I just have a hard time seeing Maxey as that valued of a piece, either from within or outside the organization. If I'm not mistaken, that rumor was pretty much immediately following the 39 point game.

Though I'm clearly far less hesitant on Lowry than most here. I get he's old and expiring, some seem to not realize that those two things are very much baked into the price being discussed (clearly Maxey doesn't even put you in the conversation if Lowry is 30 and on an ideal contract). I also don't think they'd try to acquire him if he was only viewed as a rental.

I mean the tweets were we were looking to keep Maxey out of any trade and the last sticking point was out reluctance to include him after relenting on Simmons. I can post them again if you want. Of course that doesn't mean we wouldn't include Maxey plus picks if it was the only ask but it does show the organization values and regards him highly much more so then many fans on this board appear to.

As far as Lowry goes he is a rental so to be as frank as possible I don't think we should be paying more then that in any trade. Also he is clearly in his decline phase so signing him to extension really isn't that appealing nor is the opportunity worth giving up extra for in a trade. As a fan I sort of understand just saying he is better then the MLE and not caring about the financial impact to the owner (I certainly don't) but an opposing GM calling Morey and asking for extra for the privilege of signing a declining veteran to a big money extension doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

So for me anyways there are RFA rental players with significant upside who I'd rather target and look to extend especially if we are giving up young assets. I mean Lonzo is one name. Collins is another. Gary Trent Jr. Lauri Markkanen, Why not target an ascending player in that situation?

Don’t think you have the right read on this.

[sixers hoops]

Eh, the vibe I got was that the Rockets were never going to stop asking for more and that Maxey happens to be where they said enough is enough. Not saying my read is the correct one, I just have a hard time seeing Maxey as that valued of a piece, either from within or outside the organization. If I'm not mistaken, that rumor was pretty much immediately following the 39 point game.

Though I'm clearly far less hesitant on Lowry than most here. I get he's old and expiring, some seem to not realize that those two things are very much baked into the price being discussed (clearly Maxey doesn't even put you in the conversation if Lowry is 30 and on an ideal contract). I also don't think they'd try to acquire him if he was only viewed as a rental.

I mean the tweets were we were looking to keep Maxey out of any trade and the last sticking point was out reluctance to include him after relenting on Simmons. I can post them again if you want. Of course that doesn't mean we wouldn't include Maxey plus picks if it was the only ask but it does show the organization values and regards him highly much more so then many fans on this board appear to.

As far as Lowry goes he is a rental so to be as frank as possible I don't think we should be paying more then that in any trade. Also he is clearly in his decline phase so signing him to extension really isn't that appealing nor is the opportunity worth giving up extra for in a trade. As a fan I sort of understand just saying he is better then the MLE and not caring about the financial impact to the owner (I certainly don't) but an opposing GM calling Morey and asking for extra for the privilege of signing a declining veteran to a big money extension doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

So for me anyways there are RFA rental players with significant upside who I'd rather target and look to extend especially if we are giving up young assets. I mean Lonzo is one name. Collins is another. Gary Trent Jr. Lauri Markkanen, Why not target an ascending player in that situation?

To me "rental", in NBA terms, means acquiring a player for the remainder of a season without intent to re-sign them, so I wouldn't classify acquiring Lowry or an upcoming RFA as such.

Those names you mentioned also probably cost as much if not more in terms of cost of acquisition, probably wouldn't be much cheaper in the offseason, and would have nowhere near the immediate impact on our championship odds.

To me, Lowry pushes this team into legit, as good of odds as anyone, contender status right away.

To me, Lowry is likely a rental because I don’t believe Harris is going to pay the repeater tax unless it is for a more impactful piece. I think if they could get Beal and it meant several years of luxury tax, maybe he signs off. However, I don’t believe he signs off to pay repeater tax for Lowry.

However, if the luxury tax isn’t a concern and we are going to re-sign Lowry, then that greatly changes my opinion. I would then consider throwing in a first. While I don’t think it’s wise to pay Lowry big money, it’s not my money and it would only be two years or so, so not huge long term damage.

[VDT]

It is not only that Lowry is an expiring but that there will be no time to build any chemistry. Trade deadline is at March 25 and the last regular season game is at May 16. They will have a little more than a month and a half to build chemistry and find their new roles, which is not guaranteed. You cant even be sure what impact a player will have if you put him in a new role and a new system. It took, for example, Conley and the Jazz a year to make it work, it is not an instantaneous process. The team is also playing well, shaking things up might make things worse. Coupled with the fact that we will need to match 30 mil in salaries i dont really see a Lowry trade that makes sense. If he gets bought out he would make sense as a no risk move. If not, he could come as a free agent if he is willing to take a pay cut.

[ProcessDoctor]

The biggest trade I'm willing to make is Green + Maxey + NYK 2nd for Oladipo. Otherwise, we need to save our ammo for the next available star.

I want Green for the playoffs. Sub out Green and the 2nd, and give them Bradley, Ferguson, Porier, Scott and the 1st round pick. That's 17.5m in salary for Oladipo. Tucker can be acquired in the trade exception.

Totally reasonable, that makes our top-8 stronger for the playoffs.

Simmons/Oladipo
Curry/Oladipo
Green/Thybulle
Harris/Bjelica
Embiid/Bjelica

Milton as the 9th man. Still isn’t a long-term solution but gives us better odds this year.

Edit: I like Bjelica more than Tucker, but would be fine with either.

[LloydFree]

The biggest trade I'm willing to make is Green + Maxey + NYK 2nd for Oladipo. Otherwise, we need to save our ammo for the next available star.

I want Green for the playoffs. Sub out Green and the 2nd, and give them Bradley, Ferguson, Porier, Scott and the 1st round pick. That's 17.5m in salary for Oladipo. Tucker can be acquired in the trade exception.

Totally reasonable, that makes our top-8 stronger for the playoffs.

Simmons/Oladipo
Curry/Oladipo
Green/Thybulle
Harris/Bjelica
Embiid/Bjelica

Milton as the 9th man. Still isn’t a long-term solution but gives us better odds this year.

Edit: I like Bjelica more than Tucker, but would be fine with either.

I think Bjelica would help them win more re regular season games than Tucker, but I'm skeptical about how useful he would be in the playoffs, especially in a Nets series.

[youngcrev]

[quote="sixers hoops"] To me, Lowry is likely a rental because I don’t believe Harris is going to pay the repeater tax unless it is for a more impactful piece. I think if they could get Beal and it meant several years of luxury tax, maybe he signs off. However, I don’t believe he signs off to pay repeater tax for Lowry.

However, if the luxury tax isn’t a concern and we are going to re-sign Lowry, then that greatly changes my opinion. I would then consider throwing in a first. While I don’t think it’s wise to pay Lowry big money, it’s not my money and it would only be two years or so, so not huge long term damage. [/quote]

I think trading for him in general is probably off the table if they aren't at least open to re-signing him.

Regardless, are expecting this team to try and duck the tax in 2 of the next 3 years while their star is playing at an MVP level? I mean, Daryl's got experience doing that for a cheap owner, but I have to imagine taking those cuffs off of him was part of the selling point on coming here

If that's the case maybe we should be focusing more of salary dump idea to get them under this year with the caveat that they're "opening up roster spots for buyout guys"

[the_process]

To me, Lowry is likely a rental because I don’t believe Harris is going to pay the repeater tax unless it is for a more impactful piece. I think if they could get Beal and it meant several years of luxury tax, maybe he signs off. However, I don’t believe he signs off to pay repeater tax for Lowry.

However, if the luxury tax isn’t a concern and we are going to re-sign Lowry, then that greatly changes my opinion. I would then consider throwing in a first. While I don’t think it’s wise to pay Lowry big money, it’s not my money and it would only be two years or so, so not huge long term damage.

I think trading for him in general is probably off the table if they aren't at least open to re-signing him.

Regardless, are expecting this team to try and duck the tax in 2 of the next 3 years while their star is playing at an MVP level? I mean, Daryl's got experience doing that for a cheap owner, but I have to imagine taking those cuffs off of him was part of the selling point on coming here

If that's the case maybe we should be focusing more of salary dump idea to get them under this year with the caveat that they're "opening up roster spots for buyout guys"

12M a year certainly didn't hurt.

The Harris group sends mixed messages, but until further notice IMO we should err on the side of assuming they will cheap out on repeater tax. Because they have been bad owners up to this point.

[Sixerscan]

To me, Lowry is likely a rental because I don’t believe Harris is going to pay the repeater tax unless it is for a more impactful piece. I think if they could get Beal and it meant several years of luxury tax, maybe he signs off. However, I don’t believe he signs off to pay repeater tax for Lowry.

However, if the luxury tax isn’t a concern and we are going to re-sign Lowry, then that greatly changes my opinion. I would then consider throwing in a first. While I don’t think it’s wise to pay Lowry big money, it’s not my money and it would only be two years or so, so not huge long term damage.

I think trading for him in general is probably off the table if they aren't at least open to re-signing him.

Regardless, are expecting this team to try and duck the tax in 2 of the next 3 years while their star is playing at an MVP level? I mean, Daryl's got experience doing that for a cheap owner, but I have to imagine taking those cuffs off of him was part of the selling point on coming here

If that's the case maybe we should be focusing more of salary dump idea to get them under this year with the caveat that they're "opening up roster spots for buyout guys"

12M a year certainly didn't hurt.

The Harris group sends mixed messages, but until further notice IMO we should err on the side of assuming they will cheap out on repeater tax. Because they have been bad owners up to this point.

Well the only way for them to prove they would pay the repeater tax is by actually paying the repeater tax. And trading Green for someone they could sign is a step towards doing that.

The logic just seems kind of circular here.

[the_process]

I think trading for him in general is probably off the table if they aren't at least open to re-signing him.

Regardless, are expecting this team to try and duck the tax in 2 of the next 3 years while their star is playing at an MVP level? I mean, Daryl's got experience doing that for a cheap owner, but I have to imagine taking those cuffs off of him was part of the selling point on coming here

If that's the case maybe we should be focusing more of salary dump idea to get them under this year with the caveat that they're "opening up roster spots for buyout guys"

12M a year certainly didn't hurt.

The Harris group sends mixed messages, but until further notice IMO we should err on the side of assuming they will cheap out on repeater tax. Because they have been bad owners up to this point.

Well the only way for them to prove they would pay the repeater tax is by actually paying the repeater tax. And trading Green for someone they could sign is a step towards doing that.

The logic just seems kind of circular here.

Fair enough. Which brings us to if a 35 year old 6 foot nothing PG is really the guy that could put the team over the top.

[DCasey91]

All I know is we should have kept Butler to pair with Embiid & fired the coach.

Even if Harris and Ben left we’d be right there in the thick of it.

Miss Jimbob (he’s smoking hot flame fire right now for the last week or so). Talent is talent

Lakers shot 35% from 3 KCP shot 30.

3 ball is overrated as heck (No team is like GSW, No team is like the Nets either).