Sixers Offseason Thread Part 2

[FireMorey]

I think it's more likely the Sixers get involved with Harden in a multi team deal to get other stuff not named Lillard than actually getting Lillard.

[Ferry Avenue]

How about if this can happen:

Embiid
Morris
Covington
Mann
Lillard

[Jailblazers7]

How about if this can happen:

Embiid
Morris
Covington
Mann
Lillard

I think that’s just a worse team than we had last year.

[Jailblazers7]

What's going to be the Miami package?
Herro, Lowry, and some picks?

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Those Heat picks could be valuable with Jimmy & Dame aging into their late 30s. Probably not a bad haul depending on the pick protections.

[Kobblehead]

Why Harden is way more washed. My question which no one answers is, will we have another max slot next season if we trade Maxey and either trade Tobias or let him expire. Either one and we could right? In that case team is better.

Bah, I dont think the diference between Harden and Lillard is big.

Other thing is the next years because Harden life.... but you never know.

Dame is considerably better than Harden.

I don't think so. They both suck in the postseason.

Lillard: 25.7 ppg on 41.2% from the field in the playoffs
Harden: 22.7 ppg on 42.4% from the field in the playoffs

I'll still take the 6'5" 220 pound guy who misses less shots than the 6'2" 190 pounder. But again, they both suck.

[sixers hoops]

Dame joins the mercenary clowns. Some shameful stars in this era.

I don’t think what he is doing is any different than what Wilt, Barkley, Kobe, Clyde, Shaq, Garnett, etc did. Requesting a trade or leaving in FA because your timeline doesn’t lineup with the team’s rebuilding timeline makes sense. I think you see it more often now because of free agency, draft lottery, and a salary cap.

If you get drafted by a team with an elite front office and an ability to recruit talent, then you aren’t faced with this type of decision. Kobe forced a trade to the Lakers before playing a single game, and that was almost 30 years ago. Tim Duncan and Steph Curry were drafted by great teams who had great coaches and front office execs, so they never had to make tough decisions.

If I’m Lebron and see that the Cavs front office is clueless, I would have left too. I just wouldn’t have went to a team with an alpha star in place. Lebron jumping on Wade’s coattails and Durant on Curry’s, I thought were most shameful. If you believe you are good enough to be the best player on a title team, go to a team with resources, then build a culture and identity with your own leadership. At least Lebron redeemed himself with the Cavs title. That was hard earned.

[Ferry Avenue]

How about if this can happen:

Embiid
Morris
Covington
Mann
Lillard

I think that’s just a worse team than we had last year.

I think that team is far tougher than the one last year, and the players have more distinct and circumscribed roles. You no longer have a soft Tobias Harris who needs to be fed the ball to justify his salary -- you've replaced him with the tough hard-nosed Morris -- a Philly product -- who can shoot from three just as well and be the stretch four needed alongside Embiid. Covington fills the same role as Tucker, with a bit more defensive flexibility. Mann may grow into being something similar to Maxey. All four players around Embiid shoot well from three, which is highly important. And lastly Lillard provides the key improvement -- someone to spearhead the offense in the clutch, thereby taking Embiid out of that role and being a vast improvement over the unreliable Harden.

[Kobblehead]

Dame joins the mercenary clowns. Some shameful stars in this era.

I don’t think what he is doing is any different than what Wilt, Barkley, Kobe, Clyde, Shaq, Garnett, etc did. Requesting a trade or leaving in FA because your timeline doesn’t lineup with the team’s rebuilding timeline makes sense. I think you see it more often now because of free agency, draft lottery, and a salary cap.

If you get drafted by a team with an elite front office and an ability to recruit talent, then you aren’t faced with this type of decision. Kobe forced a trade to the Lakers before playing a single game, and that was almost 30 years ago. Tim Duncan and Steph Curry were drafted by great teams who had great coaches and front office execs, so they never had to make tough decisions.

If I’m Lebron and see that the Cavs front office is clueless, I would have left too. I just wouldn’t have went to a team with an alpha star in place. Lebron jumping on Wade’s coattails and Durant on Curry’s, I thought were most shameful. If you believe you are good enough to be the best player on a title team, go to a team with resources, then build a culture and identity with your own leadership. At least Lebron redeemed himself with the Cavs title. That was hard earned.

Dame built his whole reputation on loyalty and openly criticizing those guys, though. So he looks mad hypocritical now.

[Skates]

Agree, once you have made your bones with a team for many years and they are going rebuild when you are in your twilight prime, asking for a trade benefits both sides and there should be no hard feelings.

After the Barkley trade he received a huge ovation when he visited the first time as a Sun…and the home crowd booed the hell out of the Sixers because of the clownish trade they made (which was not the Sixers’ players faults, but they took the brunt of the ire directed at management).

[SixthStreet]

On what planet does trading Harden and Maxey for Lilliard make us a better team?

Of all the options that we have this is the absolute worst. I'm not saying we have any *good* options but in the game theory of least bad option, this is clearly not it.

[Negrodamus]

Maxey isn’t going to be traded. I don’t think anyone should be concerned about thar

[FireMorey]

If Miami gets Dame without giving up Bam, the league is rigged to high hell.

[Kobblehead]

Check in on the availability of Kawhi Leonard or Anthony Davis. Other than that, stand pat.

The other star names that have been out there will not move the needle, IMO. We'd be better off trying Maxey as the #2 and trading Harden for a depth/picks package.

[Ferry Avenue]

On what planet does trading Harden and Maxey for Lilliard make us a better team?

Of all the options that we have this is the absolute worst. I'm not saying we have any *good* options but in the game theory of least bad option, this is clearly not it.

The planet where it's impossible to win an NBA championship without someone of Lillard's caliber spearheading your offense. Neither Harden nor Maxey -- nor Embiid -- are that caliber. It'll be at least two years until Maxey can function in that role, if ever. Nobody in the next two years is handing Tyrese Maxey the ball at the end of game seven and saying "ok now go to work."

[zaz102]

Can we somehow get in the trade and get Herro / Lowry for Harden?

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[FlyingArrow]

On what planet does trading Harden and Maxey for Lilliard make us a better team?

Of all the options that we have this is the absolute worst. I'm not saying we have any *good* options but in the game theory of least bad option, this is clearly not it.

If we can turn Harden into Dame, that would be great. But I doubt it can happen.

Maxey for Dame might maximize next year's chances, but it's a terrible move overall. Throws away our long term chances.

Maxey+Harden for Dame? That's crazy talk.

[Kobblehead]

On what planet does trading Harden and Maxey for Lilliard make us a better team?

Of all the options that we have this is the absolute worst. I'm not saying we have any *good* options but in the game theory of least bad option, this is clearly not it.

The planet where it's impossible to win an NBA championship without someone of Lillard's caliber spearheading your offense, and neither Harden nor Maxey -- nor Embiid -- are that caliber. It'll be at least two years until Maxey can function in that role, if ever. Nobody in the next two years is handing Tyrese Maxey the ball at the end of game seven and saying "ok now go to work."

Lillard couldn't even spearhead his team to the playoffs.

[the_process]

I don’t see Portland wanting Maxey anyway with Scoot and Simons already on the roster.

Maxey would go somewhere for picks. Toronto seems likely for that scenario.

[kriss73]

I think we'll be out of contending this year.
We're going to trade Harden for a couple of expirings (RoCo and Batum) and Mann. Maybe a distant pick, if we're lucky and the Clips are desperate. Maybe a Tucker for Morris swap

Then, we're going to empty the cap for the next summer, with only joel and maxey (and eventually mann) signed.
That will be "our summer": either we'll be able to build another contender around Joel or he will ask out from Philly.

BTW i would monitor the J.Brown situation in Boston: I'm not sure the Celtics are going to give him the super max neither he want be locked up with Tatum for the next few years.

[SixthStreet]

On a different note, I'd never thought I would get to this point but I think I'll be done following the NBA after Embiid's 76ers career is over.

I'm all for player empowerment as I feel like all this newfound private equity ownership of sports franchises represents the worst of the worst in terms of guys who are willing to wring out every bit of value out of irrational fandom of regular people. In any discussion of who's the bad guy in sports, the owners are so far worse than the players who are being vilified it's sickening.

But my personal enjoyment of sports (and the 76ers included) is for there to be a fair ability to restrict player movement when you draft players and develop them. All the stars finding and using their leverage to go where they want to go and sticking it to the owners is what I believe is right for the players but bad for my fandom.

It seems like I'll be giving up my fandom in basketball. There's a big problem in having small rosters and in any given year knowing if you don't have say, one of three of four players, you are just in the group of 26 teams twiddling your thumbs for a season. A big problem with no clear solution and I doubt the NBA will ever implement my suggestion of eliminating max salaries. Someone should be allowed to pay Doncic or LBJ (or whomever) 85% of the cap and then only have minimum salaries around him.

Individual player impact is more muted in other sports like football, hockey, and baseball so there more opportunity for non-major or lifestyle markets like Philly so the Eagles, Flyers, and Phillies will always have a better chance to remain competitive than the Sixers.

If it were me, I'd settle for just watching Embiid play as a 76er for the rest of his playing career, but I know in the player empowerment era (which I support) the likelihood I'd get my wish as a fan is almost zero.

I'm pretty much done as a professional basketball fan. Embiid putting on a 76ers jersey is about the last thing keeping me hanging on by a thread.