The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III

[eyeatoma]

Horford for conley helps both teams

I'd do Conley 3 years ago. He's far to injury prone. Same thing with cp3? He's missed like 4-5 playoffs with hamstring issues.

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[GuideDog]

Despite losing to the Rockets, Ben played a phenomenal game. Either Brett used him a bit differently or Ben decided to be a more active player. Whatever the case yesterday is a blueprint of how we should always use Ben. Like a free safety that has license to roam everywhere. He should not be locked into a pure point guard role. That reduces how great he can be. His athleticism and disrupter skills come alive when Ben isn't locked into just a pg role. He still gets his assists even without initiating the offense from the top of the key because Ben is great at finding people. All of Ben's strengths came alive yesterday. As a free lancing safety, it also reduced his need to be a shooter. He took 20 shots but no jumpers and I thought that was fine.

Brett needs to reposition Ben to his strength. Let Richardson and Tobias share in the ball handling role and free up Ben to roam. But Ben needs to play with energy and many times he plays lazy.

[eyeatoma]

Despite losing to the Rockets, Ben played a phenomenal game. Either Brett used him a bit differently or Ben decided to be a more active player. Whatever the case yesterday is a blueprint of how we should always use Ben. Like a free safety that has license to roam everywhere. He should not be locked into a pure point guard role. That reduces how great he can be. His athleticism and disrupter skills come alive when Ben isn't locked into just a pg role. He still gets his assists even without initiating the offense from the top of the key because Ben is great at finding people. All of Ben's strengths came alive yesterday. As a free lancing safety, it also reduced his need to be a shooter. He took 20 shots but no jumpers and I thought that was fine.

Brett needs to reposition Ben to his strength. Let Richardson and Tobias share in the ball handling role and free up Ben to roam. But Ben needs to play with energy and many times he plays lazy.

We've seen him play like this many times and then revert to his sub-optimal play. Unless I see it for a season I won't think he's made a change.

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[Ferry Avenue]

Despite losing to the Rockets, Ben played a phenomenal game. Either Brett used him a bit differently or Ben decided to be a more active player. Whatever the case yesterday is a blueprint of how we should always use Ben. Like a free safety that has license to roam everywhere. He should not be locked into a pure point guard role. That reduces how great he can be. His athleticism and disrupter skills come alive when Ben isn't locked into just a pg role. He still gets his assists even without initiating the offense from the top of the key because Ben is great at finding people. All of Ben's strengths came alive yesterday. As a free lancing safety, it also reduced his need to be a shooter. He took 20 shots but no jumpers and I thought that was fine.

Brett needs to reposition Ben to his strength. Let Richardson and Tobias share in the ball handling role and free up Ben to roam. But Ben needs to play with energy and many times he plays lazy.

The problem is that if you're going to have Simmons play in that "Giannis" manner, you have to get rid of Embiid, because that doesn't work with his game.

[GuideDog]

Despite losing to the Rockets, Ben played a phenomenal game. Either Brett used him a bit differently or Ben decided to be a more active player. Whatever the case yesterday is a blueprint of how we should always use Ben. Like a free safety that has license to roam everywhere. He should not be locked into a pure point guard role. That reduces how great he can be. His athleticism and disrupter skills come alive when Ben isn't locked into just a pg role. He still gets his assists even without initiating the offense from the top of the key because Ben is great at finding people. All of Ben's strengths came alive yesterday. As a free lancing safety, it also reduced his need to be a shooter. He took 20 shots but no jumpers and I thought that was fine.

Brett needs to reposition Ben to his strength. Let Richardson and Tobias share in the ball handling role and free up Ben to roam. But Ben needs to play with energy and many times he plays lazy.

We've seen him play like this many times and then revert to his sub-optimal play. Unless I see it for a season I won't think he's base a change.

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Maybe. I can't tell if yesterday's success was because Ben played with more energy or because Brett used him differently. He wasn't standing around the base of the paint without rotating on offense... instead he was constantly on the move. He got 6 offensive boards resulting in second chance baskets. His pick and roll with Josh initiating worked great. The double post up with Ben posting at the elbow and then Embiid posting right behind him also worked because Ben could pass it inside or attack the basket, or kick it out to a shooter. It was great to see Ben's skills behind showcased, I want more!

[Ukphillyfan76]

I think teammates, coaches, and frustrated fans will put up with his continued shooting defiance as long as he aggressively attacks and produces like he did last night on a more regular basis.

Really disappointed that Simmons is a guy that needs extrinsic motivation, though. That really lowers his potential for greatness, longterm, in my eyes.

Can’t help but feel that Ben shows a complete lack of respect towards everyone associated with this franchise due to him being so closed minded regarding his own offensive development. If he were open to extrinsic motivation he would be willing to expand and adapt his current skill set.

This attitude does nothing positive for his reputation around the league, and is not that of a champion. Attacking aggressively is not shown nearly consistently enough for me. Fans have a right to be annoyed!!

[GuideDog]

Despite losing to the Rockets, Ben played a phenomenal game. Either Brett used him a bit differently or Ben decided to be a more active player. Whatever the case yesterday is a blueprint of how we should always use Ben. Like a free safety that has license to roam everywhere. He should not be locked into a pure point guard role. That reduces how great he can be. His athleticism and disrupter skills come alive when Ben isn't locked into just a pg role. He still gets his assists even without initiating the offense from the top of the key because Ben is great at finding people. All of Ben's strengths came alive yesterday. As a free lancing safety, it also reduced his need to be a shooter. He took 20 shots but no jumpers and I thought that was fine.

Brett needs to reposition Ben to his strength. Let Richardson and Tobias share in the ball handling role and free up Ben to roam. But Ben needs to play with energy and many times he plays lazy.

The problem is that if you're going to have Simmons play in that "Giannis" manner, you have to get rid of Embiid, because that doesn't work with his game.

I disagree. If Embiid and Giannis played together they could dominate the league. No reason to conclude Ben and Joel can't complement one another. Ben's a better passer than Giannis. Great players open space for each other and everyone else. We need time to figure it out but it's possible.

[Ferry Avenue]

Despite losing to the Rockets, Ben played a phenomenal game. Either Brett used him a bit differently or Ben decided to be a more active player. Whatever the case yesterday is a blueprint of how we should always use Ben. Like a free safety that has license to roam everywhere. He should not be locked into a pure point guard role. That reduces how great he can be. His athleticism and disrupter skills come alive when Ben isn't locked into just a pg role. He still gets his assists even without initiating the offense from the top of the key because Ben is great at finding people. All of Ben's strengths came alive yesterday. As a free lancing safety, it also reduced his need to be a shooter. He took 20 shots but no jumpers and I thought that was fine.

Brett needs to reposition Ben to his strength. Let Richardson and Tobias share in the ball handling role and free up Ben to roam. But Ben needs to play with energy and many times he plays lazy.

The problem is that if you're going to have Simmons play in that "Giannis" manner, you have to get rid of Embiid, because that doesn't work with his game.

I disagree. If Embiid and Giannis played together they could dominate the league. No reason to conclude Ben and Joel can't complement one another. Ben's a better passer than Giannis. Great players open space for each other and everyone else. We need time to figure it out but it's possible.

I'm not sure Embiid can run up and down the floor at that pace. Christ, last night he got beaten back to the other side of the floor after he made a free throw and got dunked on by Capela.

[Mik317]

all 5 guys dont need to run. Brook Lopez isn't exactly a gazelle himself.

[VDT]

What Simmons did against Houston was what he should be doing.

Still i am concerned because he cant generate good shots. With experience he might improve but i am afraid he might have some physical limitations regardless of how aggressive he is. We will see.

[Eyeamok]

What Simmons did against Houston was what he should be doing.

Still i am concerned because he cant generate good shots. With experience he might improve but i am afraid he might have some physical limitations regardless of how aggressive he is. We will see.

His real limitation is that he does not want to look bad. That seems to be his overriding guiding principle. He can do what he did against Houston and a lot more. But it may require him to look foolish and unpolished. And that seems to be a hard thing for him to overcome.

[VDT]

He is not particularly long, doesnt have good touch around the rim and is not a very fluid athlete. There things are limiting how dominant he can be in the paint.

[DaSixers]

Horford for conley helps both teams

I'd do Conley 3 years ago. He's far to injury prone. Same thing with cp3? He's missed like 4-5 playoffs with hamstring issues.

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We are talking about for horford, an even older, longer contract player with worse fit here. Conley would be a blessing for horford

[DaSixers]

Despite losing to the Rockets, Ben played a phenomenal game. Either Brett used him a bit differently or Ben decided to be a more active player. Whatever the case yesterday is a blueprint of how we should always use Ben. Like a free safety that has license to roam everywhere. He should not be locked into a pure point guard role. That reduces how great he can be. His athleticism and disrupter skills come alive when Ben isn't locked into just a pg role. He still gets his assists even without initiating the offense from the top of the key because Ben is great at finding people. All of Ben's strengths came alive yesterday. As a free lancing safety, it also reduced his need to be a shooter. He took 20 shots but no jumpers and I thought that was fine.

Brett needs to reposition Ben to his strength. Let Richardson and Tobias share in the ball handling role and free up Ben to roam. But Ben needs to play with energy and many times he plays lazy.

I agree with what u said, he aas better

However that doesnt change the damage hes doing passively to the team. The rockets still stuck his man in the paint when he didnt have the ball and was at the 3 pt line. That affects every other player on this team negatively even when he himself isnt doing anything negative

His presence hurts the offense, thats what we HAVE to understand

[XtremeDunkz]

Despite losing to the Rockets, Ben played a phenomenal game. Either Brett used him a bit differently or Ben decided to be a more active player. Whatever the case yesterday is a blueprint of how we should always use Ben. Like a free safety that has license to roam everywhere. He should not be locked into a pure point guard role. That reduces how great he can be. His athleticism and disrupter skills come alive when Ben isn't locked into just a pg role. He still gets his assists even without initiating the offense from the top of the key because Ben is great at finding people. All of Ben's strengths came alive yesterday. As a free lancing safety, it also reduced his need to be a shooter. He took 20 shots but no jumpers and I thought that was fine.

Brett needs to reposition Ben to his strength. Let Richardson and Tobias share in the ball handling role and free up Ben to roam. But Ben needs to play with energy and many times he plays lazy.

I agree with what u said, he aas better

However that doesnt change the damage hes doing passively to the team. The rockets still stuck his man in the paint when he didnt have the ball and was at the 3 pt line. That affects every other player on this team negatively even when he himself isnt doing anything negative

His presence hurts the offense, thats what we HAVE to understand

I think you are over the top at times but this is EXACTLY what I came here to post.

Ben played fine in a vacuum last night. BUT he still hurts the other 4 players on the court when he plays that way. If Ben is not a threat from the perimeter the defense will always hang out in the paint and disrupt the play. The spacing was a joke last night. Please feel free to rewatch the game and just watch Bens man on D (like i always beg people to do). He never even looks at Ben he just cheats passing lanes and hedges the ball when it comes inside. If we had a guard that was a threat to shoot this wouldnt happen.

[76ciology]

Ive been saying how JRich should run a two man game with Ben.

Ive been saying Jrich should be paired with Ben, and Tobias with Biid.

Brett, thanks for reading my posts at realgm. You could also credit me for my “put Biid on Siakam” strategy during the 2019 playoffs.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Coward coach for a coward player.

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[tsmith]

Coward coach for a coward player.

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Brett Brown seems like such a good genuine guy and I seriously hate Simmons for making him the scapegoat and throwing him under the bus.

[Bum Adebayo]

So basically he is saying "I wouldn't bench Simmons if he doesn't shoot after we ran a play for him".
Is there someone who still thinks Simmons can reach his true potential under this coach?

[PLO]

Interesting thread on twitter from Red Team Scouting's Eustacchio Raulli about Simmons: he says that Simmons is the reason why the 76ers have a shot to win it all this season. It's a long thread but worth the read:

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