Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho

Mik317 · Post #1941 » by **Mik317** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 4:14 pm

Wrestling is a live action movie. It has characters and storylines and hopefully a good fight.

kuclas · Post #1942 » by **kuclas** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 5:53 pm

I think the odds of Simmons sitting out entire season appear most likely at this point.

Morey tries to move Harris (2 years left) after this season in addition to Simmons as a package deal. I could see that happening.

Zumramania · Post #1943 » by **Zumramania** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:00 pm

Yeah, I also don't follow wrestling and I'm from Europe, but this is interesting in terms of blurring the lines between fiction and reality. Like in movies you obviously know that the plot was already "predetermined", but you still watch it, sometimes with great enthusiasm, because you get engrossed in this fictional world, identify with characters and so on. And in movies actors also sometimes undergo drastic physical changes, just as it was mentioned here that in wrestling they get injured as well. And sometimes they find it hard to get out of roles. So yeah, maybe when I watch a random wrestling match on Youtube it looks a bit silly, but if I followed the characters, stories and everything, it would have made sense. Very interesting.

mjkvol · Post #1944 » by **mjkvol** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:24 pm

I haven't followed wrestling since the '70's and '80's, and it was a lot of fun at that time. I went to two events, one from the front row at MSG around '76-'77, and they were an absolute blast. I've been to a ton of events at the Garden, and have never heard a crowd as loud as that one when the entire place was doing the Chief Jay Strongbow war whoop during a tag tam match between him and the Somoan Chief Peter Maivia and Professor Toru Tanaka and Mr. Fuji. Good times.

John Murdoch · Post #1945 » by **John Murdoch** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:29 pm

AD for Ben and Thybulle

Arsenal · Post #1946 » by **Arsenal** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:55 pm

Yeah the appeal of pro wrestling is the over-the-top characters and interesting storylines. These things were at a peak in the late 80's early 90's and then the late 90's.

They're sadly lacking now, which is why wrestling is less popular than ever today.

Everyone knows it's "fake", but so is everything on tv and in the movies. That's not the point.

ProcessDoctor · Post #1947 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:05 pm

PHI out: Simmons, Harris, Milton, 2023 CHA SRP
PHI in: Fox, Barnes, Covington

POR out: Covington
POR in: Bagley, Milton, 2022 DET SRP, 2023 CHA SRP

SAC out: Fox, Barnes, Bagley, 2022 DET SRP
SAC in: Simmons, Harris

Fox/Maxey/Springer
Green/Curry/Joe
Covington/Thybulle/Korkmaz
Barnes/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey

Arsenal · Post #1948 » by **Arsenal** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:13 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:PHI out: Simmons, Harris, Milton, 2023 CHA SRP
PHI in: Fox, Barnes, Covington

POR out: Covington
POR in: Bagley, Milton, 2022 DET SRP, 2023 CHA SRP

SAC out: Fox, Barnes, Bagley, 2022 DET SRP
SAC in: Simmons, Harris

Fox/Maxey/Springer
Green/Curry/Joe
Covington/Thybulle/Korkmaz
Barnes/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey

This is a well-fitting and complimentary team. Prob not title worthy, but leaves us with flexibility as Green and Covington expire and Barnes is on a decent deal.

ProcessDoctor · Post #1949 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:23 pm

Arsenal wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:PHI out: Simmons, Harris, Milton, 2023 CHA SRP
PHI in: Fox, Barnes, Covington

POR out: Covington
POR in: Bagley, Milton, 2022 DET SRP, 2023 CHA SRP

SAC out: Fox, Barnes, Bagley, 2022 DET SRP
SAC in: Simmons, Harris

Fox/Maxey/Springer
Green/Curry/Joe
Covington/Thybulle/Korkmaz
Barnes/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey

This is a well-fitting and complimentary team. Prob not title worthy, but leaves us with flexibility as Green and Covington expire and Barnes is on a decent deal.

Yea we're probably still "another player away" but I think it gets us one step closer to the title. We'd probably finish top 3 in the East but can't see that roster beating Brooklyn, Phoenix, or Golden State in a 7-game series.

Maybe Morey could follow up with a S&T for someone else (i.e. Harden, Beal, LaVine) this summer?

sixers4real · Post #1950 » by **sixers4real** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:15 am

ProcessDoctor wrote:PHI out: Simmons, Harris, Milton, 2023 CHA SRP
PHI in: Fox, Barnes, Covington

POR out: Covington
POR in: Bagley, Milton, 2022 DET SRP, 2023 CHA SRP

SAC out: Fox, Barnes, Bagley, 2022 DET SRP
SAC in: Simmons, Harris

Fox/Maxey/Springer
Green/Curry/Joe
Covington/Thybulle/Korkmaz
Barnes/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey

Who wins in a 7-game series? This team or the one we had last year?

76ciology · Post #1951 » by **76ciology** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:19 am

You guys do realize that if we dont land a top tier star like Dame, there’s no other option but to play casino with the draft right?

If we can’t land Dame, we should just take a breather. Or else by draft night, we’ll just regret all these moral victories and temporary band aids.

ProcessDoctor · Post #1952 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:24 am

sixers4real wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:PHI out: Simmons, Harris, Milton, 2023 CHA SRP
PHI in: Fox, Barnes, Covington

POR out: Covington
POR in: Bagley, Milton, 2022 DET SRP, 2023 CHA SRP

SAC out: Fox, Barnes, Bagley, 2022 DET SRP
SAC in: Simmons, Harris

Fox/Maxey/Springer
Green/Curry/Joe
Covington/Thybulle/Korkmaz
Barnes/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey

Who wins in a 7-game series? This team or the one we had last year?

I think this one has more options to score down the stretch and better spacing. Fox and Embiid would get to the line at will. Defensively, Green/Thybulle can match up 1-3 and Cov 2-4 (sometimes 5).

I think that team could hang with Milwaukee but not a full-strength Brooklyn team.

sixers4real · Post #1953 » by **sixers4real** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:41 am

76ciology wrote:You guys do realize that if we dont land a top tier star like Dame, there’s no other option but to play casino with the draft right?

If we can’t land Dame, we should just take a breather. Or else by draft night, we’ll just regret all these moral victories and temporary band aids.

Exactly how I feel. And I think Morey feels that way also. It’s all about getting superstar next to Embiid even if it takes Maxey+Simmons+picks

76ciology · Post #1954 » by **76ciology** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:47 am

sixers4real wrote:
76ciology wrote:You guys do realize that if we dont land a top tier star like Dame, there’s no other option but to play casino with the draft right?

If we can’t land Dame, we should just take a breather. Or else by draft night, we’ll just regret all these moral victories and temporary band aids.

Exactly how I feel. And I think Morey feels that way also. It’s all about getting superstar next to Embiid even if it takes Maxey+Simmons+picks

This is why for the first time this season, i wasn’t thrilled when we won against the Celts. I was hoping we lose that one.

Because if you get less than Dame for a trade with Ben, it puts you in a bad spot. By next season a lot of teams will be better than you and it gets worse by after next season. Hornets or Raptors could clearly be better than us if we get anyone less than Dame.

Listening to Morey, he sounds like he’s the type of GM who’s more into building a superteam than one of those Spurs/Mavs squad where its superstar+collective built.

And there’s only two possible paths for that.. go for dame or play draft pick casino

sixers4real · Post #1955 » by **sixers4real** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:57 am

76ciology wrote:
sixers4real wrote:
76ciology wrote:You guys do realize that if we dont land a top tier star like Dame, there’s no other option but to play casino with the draft right?

If we can’t land Dame, we should just take a breather. Or else by draft night, we’ll just regret all these moral victories and temporary band aids.

Exactly how I feel. And I think Morey feels that way also. It’s all about getting superstar next to Embiid even if it takes Maxey+Simmons+picks

This is why for the first time this season, i wasn’t thrilled when we won against the Celts. I was hoping we lose that one.

Because if you get less than Dame for a trade with Ben, it puts you in a bad spot. By next season a lot of teams will be better than you and it gets worse by after next season. Hornets or Raptors could clearly be better than us if we get anyone less than Dame.

Listening to Morey, he sounds like he’s the type of GM who’s more into building a superteam than one of those Spurs/Mavs squad where its superstar+collective built.

And there’s only two possible paths for that.. go for dame or play draft pick casino

Morey is the type of GM who can build a two-superstar team with a ton of great role players.
Right now we clearly lack that second superstar.

76ciology · Post #1956 » by **76ciology** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:02 am

At this point, Blazers should trade Dame to Ben.

Blazers has no chance to ever win the championship while this season is in limbo with all the players missing games and Dame is showing some clear signs of decline.

Dame will be 32 years old to start this season. Yes, Ben will never be as good as Dame. But 3 years from now, Ben’s value will likely be higher than Dame’s.

Dame is about to be paid 39M next season.
48M by age 34. Then he’s gonna be a free agent after that season.

How much are you going to pay him by age 35? Take consideration that there will also be other teams who maybe crazy to overpay him.

For us, its best for us to land him now. Get some feel of the team with him and Embiid then start that 3 year window to go for the championship starting next season. Hopefully land a championship before Dame’s contract runs out.

After that, you hope you’d have enough assets for you to churn for your next run or probably cross the bridge when you get there and also be open to trade Embiid to start your next short rebuild.

ProcessDoctor · Post #1957 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:06 am

76ciology wrote:At this point, Blazers should trade Dame to Ben.

Blazers has no chance to ever win the championship while this season is in limbo with all the players missing games and Dame is showing some clear signs of decline.

Dame will be 32 years old to start this season. Yes, Ben will never be as good as Dame. But 3 years from now, Ben’s value will likely be higher than Dame’s.

Dame is about to be paid 39M next season.
48M by age 34. Then he’s gonna be a free agent after that season.

How much are you going to pay him by age 35? Take consideration that there will also be other teams who maybe crazy to overpay him.

For us, its best for us to land him now. Get some feel of the team with him and Embiid then start that 3 year window to go for the championship starting next season. Hopefully land a championship before Dame’s contract runs out.

After that, you hope you’d have enough assets for you to churn for your next run or probably cross the bridge when you get there and also be open to trade Embiid to start your next short rebuild.

Preach brother. It makes sense to everyone outside of Dame and the Portland Trailblazers, unfortunately.

Part of me thinks Dame is afraid to have real championship expectations. I think he’d rather be the victim that didn’t have enough help. That’s another story though.

brannigan73 · Post #1958 » by **brannigan73** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:06 am

The Sixers are not getting Lillard for Simmons. Why wouldnt Portland just trade him for a package of picks and even younger players then Simmons? And trades that would improve the Sixers a lot are not band aids. If we could get a couple starting caliber players for Simmons we could build a Utah Jazz type team. There is more then one way to skin a cat. And enough with D'aron Fox take five seconds and look at his actual percentages and advanced stats. Only thing he does is create a lot of mediocre personal offense. Not saying that isnt a skill but we have a guy already in Maxey that is similar except better. I would like to get Barnes though he can hit wide open three's at a very high rate, defend, and rebound a little. You guys keep wanting to punt prime years of Embiid's career Im not going to do it myself.

sixers4real · Post #1959 » by **sixers4real** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:22 am

brannigan73 wrote:The Sixers are not getting Lillard for Simmons. Why wouldnt Portland just trade him for a package of picks and even younger players then Simmons? And trades that would improve the Sixers a lot are not band aids. If we could get a couple starting caliber players for Simmons we could build a Utah Jazz type team. There is more then one way to skin a cat. And enough with D'aron Fox take five seconds and look at his actual percentages and advanced stats. Only thing he does is create a lot of mediocre personal offense. Not saying that isnt a skill but we have a guy already in Maxey that is similar except better. I would like to get Barnes though he can hit wide open three's at a very high rate, defend, and rebound a little. You guys keep wanting to punt prime years of Embiid's career Im not going to do it myself.

Who’s offering better then Simmons+Maxey for Lillard?

Build a Utah Jazz type team? Who’s afraid of the Jazz?

DCasey91 · Post #1960 » by **DCasey91** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:59 am

Still reckon it’s Ben for Ingram. Pels get another pick or two and the Wolves can decide whether to pay up or not. Zion unfortunately looks done way before I even thought it would come.

Go full tank and enter the Chet/Jabari sweepstakes with Ben that’s actually a better compensation then Ingram and that’s it.

Seems good for both parties.