Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

[Stanford]

Harden is a big expiring deal. There's no way his value gets lower than Norm Powell and a pick. I guarantee it. If we see him traded for less than that, I will never post on this board again.

[eyeatoma]

Harden is a big expiring deal. There's no way his value gets lower than Norm Powell and a pick. I guarantee it. If we see him traded for less than that, I will never post on this board again.

Eh, I'd rather you stick around. I enjoy your dry wit.

[FireMorey]

I got news for ya, if they trade him for Powell and Morris, next season is lost anyway. Whether they go out and sign more free agents or not. They aren't winning anything next season with a Clippers trade. Maybe keeping Harden will lead to a pause year, but trading with the Clippers definitely leads to a pause year.

A team with a “motivated” Harden is winning ****. You think a team fielding a disgruntled Harden is doing any better than that? Got news for ya..

They aren't winning anything next season regardless. They have two choices. Not win anything next year but have a ton of cap room to show for it next summer(keeping Harden). Or not win anything next year and have less cap room next summer(getting rid of Harden).

[youngcrev]

I think this is just another miscalculation on Harden's part of how good he currently is and projects to be in the near future.

He wants his money, and Ballmer's pockets have an echo. But I'm not convinced even they'd want to pay him. They've already been balking at the idea of giving a massive extension to Paul George. They're already a double apron team, they're not giving 3 declining players the max, new arena or not.

When he got traded to the Nets there was this idea that he, KD and Kyrie were all going to get the bag (hate myself for writing that). When didn't turn out that way, he wanted his guy Daryl to come save him. And then he gave up money thinking he was gonna get on the back end, and it just wasn't there.

He's gotta start being more self aware of where he is in his career at some point. And honestly, staying here might still be the best way to maximize his future earnings.

[Black Mage]

I know this is never happening but...

Phil in: Lavine/Turner/Heild/Mann
Phil out: Harris/Harden/Tucker/Kork

Bulls in: Morris/Batum/Covie
Bulls Out: Lavine

Pacers in: Harris/John doe player from clippers costing 1.8 mil UFA 2024
Pacers out: Turner/Heild

Clippers in: Harden/ Tucker/Kork
Clippers out: Morris/Batum/Covie/Mann/ John Doe player

Sixers Lineup:

Maxey/Bev
Heild/Melton/Mann
Lavine/Mann/House
Turner/Bball
Embiid/Bball/Bamba

[mjkvol]

I got news for ya, if they trade him for Powell and Morris, next season is lost anyway. Whether they go out and sign more free agents or not. They aren't winning anything next season with a Clippers trade. Maybe keeping Harden will lead to a pause year, but trading with the Clippers definitely leads to a pause year.

A team with a “motivated” Harden is winning ****. You think a team fielding a disgruntled Harden is doing any better than that? Got news for ya..

They aren't winning anything next season regardless. They have two choices. Not win anything next year but have a ton of cap room to show for it next summer(keeping Harden). Or not win anything next year and have less cap room next summer(getting rid of Harden).

I've said all along that any moves made now must prioritize maintaining max flexibility for summer 2024. I would agree that we aren't winning anything this season, but simply running it back gives us the best shot at competing with the bonus of all that cap space next summer. I just hope that is Morey's thinking as well.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Morey trying to create a bidding war for Harden is laughable. Who else even wants him besides LA? Name one team, one legitimate destination other than LA where this can get done.

There's no desperation in the off-season. He'll have more suitors as games start to be played. Hence, trading him for Norm Powell and a pick now is foolish.

While I agree with this, I still don't see the list getting any bigger than LA. Oh and "Norm Powell" LOL! Nobody fking cares about Norm Powell. You just happen to like his name I think. He does taxes in the off-season.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Norm Powell.... Attorney at law. "Car accident? Injury?, Call the associates at Norm Powell Law and we'll turn your wreck...Into a check!"

Or b

[Arsenal]

Don't hold on to him hoping for some value just trade him and move on. We had him in two playoff years and didn't achieve our goals. It's time to move on ..

I can tell you're a stellar negotiator.

[Arsenal]

The desperation to do a deal NOW is comical. Don't be so thirsty, it's not a great look.

[Negrodamus]

While I would love to do a Tobi for DeRozan move, I think theres a world where it can work with Harden:

Sixers get:
DeRozan
RoCo
Clip 2027 conditional first

Clippers get:
Harden
Korkmaz

Bulls get:
Terrance Mann
Norman Powell
Brandon Boston

Gives the Bulls some young guys for the rebuild. Gives Clippers obviously Harden (and more importantly Korkmaz). And we get DeRozan, who provides a similar massive PG scorer who draws fouls at an elite clip), RoCo, and draft equity.

I don't know DeRozan's relationship with Nurse, but we could potentially make a cap friendly deal at the end of the year if things go well with his tenure here. Much more friendly than Harden, that's for sure. RoCo gives us flexibility to maybe still move Tobias.

[Arsenal]

While I would love to do a Tobi for DeRozan move, I think theres a world where it can work with Harden:

Sixers get:
DeRozan
RoCo
Clip 2027 conditional first

Clippers get:
Harden
Korkmaz

Bulls get:
Terrance Mann
Norman Powell
Brandon Boston

Gives the Bulls some young guys for the rebuild. Gives Clippers obviously Harden (and more importantly Korkmaz). And we get DeRozan, who provides a similar massive PG scorer who draws fouls at an elite clip), RoCo, and draft equity.

I don't know DeRozan's relationship with Nurse, but we could potentially make a cap friendly deal at the end of the year if things go well with his tenure here. Much more friendly than Harden, that's for sure. RoCo gives us flexibility to maybe still move Tobias.

If we get rid of Tucker instead of Korkmaz I'm down. Can't have PJ's deal clogging the cap next summer. But I don't think this works as Clips likely need to send out more salary. They can't take in more than they send out.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Getting rid of PJ Tucker for well... Anything would be a dream come true.

[SixthStreet]

I don't think this Harden stuff is going anywhere because A) No one wants him except the Clippers and B) Norm Powell is a low-key negative asset who Morey doesn't want and the Clippers cannot figure out a way to flip to another team for anything of value.

I'd be absolutely floored if Morey took on Powell. Nothing in his track record indicates he values players and contracts like that.

[Negrodamus]

While I would love to do a Tobi for DeRozan move, I think theres a world where it can work with Harden:

Sixers get:
DeRozan
RoCo
Clip 2027 conditional first

Clippers get:
Harden
Korkmaz

Bulls get:
Terrance Mann
Norman Powell
Brandon Boston

Gives the Bulls some young guys for the rebuild. Gives Clippers obviously Harden (and more importantly Korkmaz). And we get DeRozan, who provides a similar massive PG scorer who draws fouls at an elite clip), RoCo, and draft equity.

I don't know DeRozan's relationship with Nurse, but we could potentially make a cap friendly deal at the end of the year if things go well with his tenure here. Much more friendly than Harden, that's for sure. RoCo gives us flexibility to maybe still move Tobias.

If we get rid of Tucker instead of Korkmaz I'm down. Can't have PJ's deal clogging the cap next summer. But I don't think this works as Clips likely need to send out more salary. They can't take in more than they send out.

Could do PJ for Batum. But Kork would still have to be involved to make the numbers work.

[LeonJordanJr24]

We can't do this bull again it's a huge distraction. Also Harden had two playoffs stints here already so it's time to move on. Somehow get me back a Zach Lavine and I'll be happy..

[ProcessDoctor]

I could definitely see Chicago getting involved here as a way to get out of LaVine’s contract. Not sure how I feel about him being one of our big 3 though.

[Negrodamus]

LaVine would sink this franchise. Embiid would ask out by mid year.

[Arsenal]

Spoiler:

While I would love to do a Tobi for DeRozan move, I think theres a world where it can work with Harden:

Sixers get:
DeRozan
RoCo
Clip 2027 conditional first

Clippers get:
Harden
Korkmaz

Bulls get:
Terrance Mann
Norman Powell
Brandon Boston

Gives the Bulls some young guys for the rebuild. Gives Clippers obviously Harden (and more importantly Korkmaz). And we get DeRozan, who provides a similar massive PG scorer who draws fouls at an elite clip), RoCo, and draft equity.

I don't know DeRozan's relationship with Nurse, but we could potentially make a cap friendly deal at the end of the year if things go well with his tenure here. Much more friendly than Harden, that's for sure. RoCo gives us flexibility to maybe still move Tobias.

If we get rid of Tucker instead of Korkmaz I'm down. Can't have PJ's deal clogging the cap next summer. But I don't think this works as Clips likely need to send out more salary. They can't take in more than they send out.

Could do PJ for Batum. But Kork would still have to be involved to make the numbers work.

It works if you send out PJ + Kork and we take back Batum. Final deal:

LAC > Powell, Batum, Covington, Mann, Boston, 1st
LAC < Harden, Tucker, Korkmaz (-$1.8M)

CHI > DeRozan
CHI < Powell, Mann, Boston (+$1.8M)

PHI > Harden, Tucker, Korkmaz
PHI < DeRozan, Batum, Covington, LAC 1st (+$0.0)

LAC could also keep Boston if they want.

I would do this. Bulls might be a problem. Clips should do it, but would they?

[FireMorey]

Maybe the Bulls get involved down the road, but the only thing we know right now is the only legit conversations have been with the Clippers and their offer hasn't even included Mann or picks yet.

I'm not a Morey fan at all, but he's absolutely right on keeping him as of right now. And I really don't believe the offers are going to get better until the Lillard situation concludes. Why would they? We're in July, no team has any incentive to wake up tomorrow unprompted and just start offering Morey young talent and first round picks.

This is stagnated and will remain so until something else changes. And if nothing does, then there's nothing Morey can do about that.