Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[hookshot199]

Then that needs to happen as part of the initial trade. Under no circumstances will we accept Powell on our team. That creates extra risk.

And I have serious doubts you can flip Powell for an expiring. That could be what's holding up the deal right now.

IMO the "hold up" is Morey has never really wanted to trade Harden. So he's asking for 2 unprotected 1sts and 2 swaps plus all expirings. I don't think the Clippers see Harden as a big difference maker for them, so they aren't willing to pay nearly that much.

1. I think Harden would be a huge difference maker for Clipps. He's a good enough scorer that they can load manage through the season, and their offense would be maybe the best in the league when healthy. Plus he can shoot off ball for them. The fact that Westbrook is still there gives then good depth. Mann and Westbrook clash for minutes anyhow. A healthy Clippers team,

2. To Arsenal, I'll push back on the Powell concerns. A Mann, Powell,Roco or other filler trade that includes Tucker going West still gives Philly a max spot to play with next season, so long as you move Reed and don't pick up Springer (which are probably strong possibilities anyhow)... Even with them the path to using that cap space next year is either Siakam or a trade anyhow, and both are movable deals (Springer and Reed).

The Sixers would have pretty much only movable contracts except Powell... And I think only 2 years left and a good season here could make him movable too. This system is with Nurse suits him well, and he could be exactly what's needed this year along with Mann.

This is with the added benefit of having a complete roster this year, that's built well around your MVP in his prime and budding young star with Harden far away from him.

Is the Clippers trade ideal for Philly? No unless they overpay with picks. But it's better than actually having Harden come back, even if he's actually trying. Hopefully better moves come around from other teams, but it needs to be an option

<<A Mann, Powell,Roco or other filler trade that includes Tucker going West still gives Philly a max spot to play with next season, so long as you move Reed and don't pick up Springer (which are probably strong possibilities anyhow).>>

No picks? Harden's off the books next June. So i Tobias. Unless Nurse wants Powell, he's negative value. If Nurse wants him, that's another matter.

[76ciology]

I’d rather have a pick or two than Terance Mann.

[Negrodamus]

Not sure how reliable Howard beck is he said he is hearing 3 other teams outside of Clippers that might be interested.

Wouldn’t be surprised, there are about as many who are an all star point guard away from real contention.

[M2J]

IMO the "hold up" is Morey has never really wanted to trade Harden. So he's asking for 2 unprotected 1sts and 2 swaps plus all expirings. I don't think the Clippers see Harden as a big difference maker for them, so they aren't willing to pay nearly that much.

1. I think Harden would be a huge difference maker for Clipps. He's a good enough scorer that they can load manage through the season, and their offense would be maybe the best in the league when healthy. Plus he can shoot off ball for them. The fact that Westbrook is still there gives then good depth. Mann and Westbrook clash for minutes anyhow. A healthy Clippers team,

2. To Arsenal, I'll push back on the Powell concerns. A Mann, Powell,Roco or other filler trade that includes Tucker going West still gives Philly a max spot to play with next season, so long as you move Reed and don't pick up Springer (which are probably strong possibilities anyhow)... Even with them the path to using that cap space next year is either Siakam or a trade anyhow, and both are movable deals (Springer and Reed).

The Sixers would have pretty much only movable contracts except Powell... And I think only 2 years left and a good season here could make him movable too. This system is with Nurse suits him well, and he could be exactly what's needed this year along with Mann.

This is with the added benefit of having a complete roster this year, that's built well around your MVP in his prime and budding young star with Harden far away from him.

Is the Clippers trade ideal for Philly? No unless they overpay with picks. But it's better than actually having Harden come back, even if he's actually trying. Hopefully better moves come around from other teams, but it needs to be an option

<<A Mann, Powell,Roco or other filler trade that includes Tucker going West still gives Philly a max spot to play with next season, so long as you move Reed and don't pick up Springer (which are probably strong possibilities anyhow).>>

No picks? Harden's off the books next June. So i Tobias. Unless Nurse wants Powell, he's negative value. If Nurse wants him, that's another matter.

If picks are the problem. I think maybe adding in a young prospect like brown and multiple second round picks would be enough IMO.

Powell fits and knows the system. He's in his prime right now, and I don't believe his value is really negative where the cap is rising each year. 3 years is a lot, but it definitely doesn't hurt this season, and could be proven to be a value deal on the right team, because the Clippers are so perimeter oriented and he still faired well statically. Furthermore, everyone is concerned about cap space and I'm with that. But the best true free agents with a chance to move are the 2 guys from Toronto, Jaden McDaniels and Philly's own guys... Not worth signing the 2 Clippers stars at that point.

But Powell isn't exactly making even 25 million, and is a perfect pump and dump guy for this year.

[the_process]

Not sure how reliable Howard beck is he said he is hearing 3 other teams outside of Clippers that might be interested.

Lakers, Mavericks, Suns would be my guess.

[M2J]

I’d rather have a pick or two than Terance Mann.

Don't think that's realistic. Clippers are trying to get Harden without losing picks because guys contract fits their timeline. This year! He's a great fit at the right price, but due to their own injury history, they can't go all in this season.

They can't just give up multiple picks because of their current state.
1. They may blow it up next off season... May not even be their choice considering their 2 stars are free agents.

2. They're too injury prone to rely on a single year.

3. Whether they sign those 2 guys or not, they will need those picks.... As they can't likely get compensation if they just walk, and if they extend them, they would not be able to trade them due to their injury history for compensation.

I think a bunch of second round picks and prospects like Brown plus Mann and filler is the best they have to offer.

Because the crazy thing is I would actually favor them to win the West if I knew they could stay healthy with Harden too... But that's just so unlikely.

[M2J]

Not sure how reliable Howard beck is he said he is hearing 3 other teams outside of Clippers that might be interested.

Lakers, Mavericks, Suns would be my guess.

I'm thinking Pelicans, Bulls, Suns, Lakers, Knicks are all somewhat interested

[rocketsfan100]

Not sure how reliable Howard beck is he said he is hearing 3 other teams outside of Clippers that might be interested.

Lakers, Mavericks, Suns would be my guess.

I'm thinking Pelicans, Bulls, Suns, Lakers, Knicks are all somewhat interested

He mentioned the maybe bulls and heat depending on the lillard situation

[76ciology]

I’d rather have a pick or two than Terance Mann.

Don't think that's realistic. Clippers are trying to get Harden without losing picks because guys contract fits their timeline. This year! He's a great fit at the right price, but due to their own injury history, they can't go all in this season.

They can't just give up multiple picks because of their current state.
1. They may blow it up next off season... May not even be their choice considering their 2 stars are free agents.

2. They're too injury prone to rely on a single year.

3. Whether they sign those 2 guys or not, they will need those picks.... As they can't likely get compensation if they just walk, and if they extend them, they would not be able to trade them due to their injury history for compensation.

I think a bunch of second round picks and prospects like Brown plus Mann and filler is the best they have to offer.

Because the crazy thing is I would actually favor them to win the West if I knew they could stay healthy with Harden too... But that's just so unlikely.

Some teams dont look at value exchange. They look at the bigger picture. Sometimes its worth sacrificing a year or two in order to have a certain increase of chance for a championship.

For instance, Clippers gave up a pick that turned out to be Cam Whitmore for Eric Gordon.

Maybe they think highly of Mann that they dont expect that pick could be as good as Mann. And maybe they might project that pick to be better than Mann, but what good is it when all of their top players are gone at that time and wont have the chance to compete as good as they can be in the next 10 years with PG, Kawhi, Harden and Mann. Also consider that its not a Mann for picks straight up, but this also includes Harden

Just my guess and clips might also look at your pov where its strictly an exchange of value

[Iverson Armband]

Springer looks good in this run. There’s also sightings from Melton, BBall, and Terq Smith.

Watch on YouTube

[Kobblehead]

I’d rather have a pick or two than Terance Mann.

I wouldn't because Mann is an already proven playoff beast who is team-controlled for 2 seasons.

Now that the Superteam era is dead, the importance of the ace roleplayer who plays well in the playoffs has been enhanced. Both Bruce Brown and Caleb Martin were huge catalysts for their teams in the playoffs last year. Terance Mann is very much that kind of postseason performer.

[Jailblazers7]

I’d gladly take Kobe Brown as the “draft comp” & Terrance Mann as a youngish player with some updated in exchange for Harden. That plus some expiring vets who either 1) fit well as role players on this team or 2) are very tradeable expiring contracts at the deadline.

[Jailblazers7]

Springer looks good in this run. There’s also sightings from Melton, BBall, and Terq Smith.

Watch on YouTube

Did Jaden just give Gradey Dick is welcome to the NBA moment?

It’s refreshing to finally have some young guards with bounce & upside. If Jaden, Ricky, & Terq were here during the process they’d be Sixers legends.

[Iverson Armband]

Springer looks good in this run. There’s also sightings from Melton, BBall, and Terq Smith.

Watch on YouTube

Did Jaden just give Gradey Dick is welcome to the NBA moment?

“This ain’t Kansas anymore Dorothy”

[hookshot199]

1. I think Harden would be a huge difference maker for Clipps. He's a good enough scorer that they can load manage through the season, and their offense would be maybe the best in the league when healthy. Plus he can shoot off ball for them. The fact that Westbrook is still there gives then good depth. Mann and Westbrook clash for minutes anyhow. A healthy Clippers team,

2. To Arsenal, I'll push back on the Powell concerns. A Mann, Powell,Roco or other filler trade that includes Tucker going West still gives Philly a max spot to play with next season, so long as you move Reed and don't pick up Springer (which are probably strong possibilities anyhow)... Even with them the path to using that cap space next year is either Siakam or a trade anyhow, and both are movable deals (Springer and Reed).

The Sixers would have pretty much only movable contracts except Powell... And I think only 2 years left and a good season here could make him movable too. This system is with Nurse suits him well, and he could be exactly what's needed this year along with Mann.

This is with the added benefit of having a complete roster this year, that's built well around your MVP in his prime and budding young star with Harden far away from him.

Is the Clippers trade ideal for Philly? No unless they overpay with picks. But it's better than actually having Harden come back, even if he's actually trying. Hopefully better moves come around from other teams, but it needs to be an option

<<A Mann, Powell,Roco or other filler trade that includes Tucker going West still gives Philly a max spot to play with next season, so long as you move Reed and don't pick up Springer (which are probably strong possibilities anyhow).>>

No picks? Harden's off the books next June. So i Tobias. Unless Nurse wants Powell, he's negative value. If Nurse wants him, that's another matter.

If picks are the problem. I think maybe adding in a young prospect like brown and multiple second round picks would be enough IMO.

Powell fits and knows the system. He's in his prime right now, and I don't believe his value is really negative where the cap is rising each year. 3 years is a lot, but it definitely doesn't hurt this season, and could be proven to be a value deal on the right team, because the Clippers are so perimeter oriented and he still faired well statically. Furthermore, everyone is concerned about cap space and I'm with that. But the best true free agents with a chance to move are the 2 guys from Toronto, Jaden McDaniels and Philly's own guys... Not worth signing the 2 Clippers stars at that point.

But Powell isn't exactly making even 25 million, and is a perfect pump and dump guy for this year.

He's making $58 for three. That's around $19 mil/year. If it were one year I'd say yes. Three years is a commitment.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/la-clippers/norman-powell-17874/

[GoSixersBro]

Springer looks good in this run. There’s also sightings from Melton, BBall, and Terq Smith.

Watch on YouTube

Thanks for sharing. Love watching these.

[M2J]

<<A Mann, Powell,Roco or other filler trade that includes Tucker going West still gives Philly a max spot to play with next season, so long as you move Reed and don't pick up Springer (which are probably strong possibilities anyhow).>>

No picks? Harden's off the books next June. So i Tobias. Unless Nurse wants Powell, he's negative value. If Nurse wants him, that's another matter.

If picks are the problem. I think maybe adding in a young prospect like brown and multiple second round picks would be enough IMO.

Powell fits and knows the system. He's in his prime right now, and I don't believe his value is really negative where the cap is rising each year. 3 years is a lot, but it definitely doesn't hurt this season, and could be proven to be a value deal on the right team, because the Clippers are so perimeter oriented and he still faired well statically. Furthermore, everyone is concerned about cap space and I'm with that. But the best true free agents with a chance to move are the 2 guys from Toronto, Jaden McDaniels and Philly's own guys... Not worth signing the 2 Clippers stars at that point.

But Powell isn't exactly making even 25 million, and is a perfect pump and dump guy for this year.

He's making $58 for three. That's around $19 mil/year. If it were one year I'd say yes. Three years is a commitment.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/la-clippers/norman-powell-17874/

Right, 20 million is like the old 10 million... He's probably paid adequately. Even $25 million may be a bit over his value. Of the 3 years, this year makes perfect sense and he could raise his value being on a roster and with a system that he fits so well... Then he's a 2 year deal that may be a value asset.

[Jailblazers7]

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A great Iverson breakdown from Thinking Basketball. Watching the spacing that AI was dealing with during his Sixers years is a crime against the sport. Watch Eric Snow at 5:20 just be completely lost on offense lmao

[76ciology]

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A great Iverson breakdown from Thinking Basketball. Watching the spacing that AI was dealing with during his Sixers years is a crime against the sport. Watch Eric Snow at 5:20 just be completely lost on offense lmao

Ooohh.. i’d love to check this one out. I like thinking basketball podcast. But im gonna sleep for now lol

[76ciology]

I’d rather have a pick or two than Terance Mann.

I wouldn't because Mann is an already proven playoff beast who is team-controlled for 2 seasons.

Now that the Superteam era is dead, the importance of the ace roleplayer who plays well in the playoffs has been enhanced. Both Bruce Brown and Caleb Martin were huge catalysts for their teams in the playoffs last year. Terance Mann is very much that kind of postseason performer.

Quite a slow day at work so let me give my two cents.

I wouldnt considered him as a playoff beast when he only averaged 7-10ppg on -.2 to 1.5BPM.

His deflection numbers is just similar to norman powell. His rebounding is slightly below average.The reason why its not an issue is because he plays with 1 or 2 of Kawhi and Paul George which is a hybrid 3/4 that makes up for Mann’s lack of all around game. And Zubac does his job on the defensive end.

Clippers have this system of mixing and matching wing pairs with 1-2 of Kawhi and PG depending on the match-up, which compliments of these guys. But on this team what can he do? He doesn’t rebound well. He can’t provide secondary rim protection or generate deflections. He can’t be a good dribble drive partner with Maxey. He doesnt have that much size at the 3 with Tobias at the 4. The only brightside I see with him is on transition and he’s a good points per shot guy because of his shooting %. Kinda like an improved version of PJ Tucker but without the bulkiness to defend 4&5?

I really dont see the allure in Mann, except some fun playoff games a couple of years ago where the stats say that it isnt nowhere near spectacular.

If Mann is that valued league wise and we’re getting him then i’m ok with that for we can just ship him to somewhere later on. But for now, I just dont see that much value on Mann compared to 1-2 draft picks.

Hey Clips, this is your chance. Take it. Sacrifice some picks and we’ll get you your best chance to win the title in your franchise history.