2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[eyeatoma]

I agree with this. I love the shooting profile of Tre, silk smooth, has a little Kobe to him as well. Just a gorgeous shooter. But his defense scares the **** out of me. We already have 2 small guards, and a 3rd who is bigger but is also a sieve is a huge issue.

[eyeatoma]

Also, my issue with trading up for Harper is the shooting issues. If it was Flagg, that would be a no-brainer, but his lack of a 3 point shot, although correctable, is a big leap to take, with having to give up valuable assets.

[mjkvol]

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28/5/8 in a game where Coop got hurt and scored two points.

IQ and feel for the game is "star upside", it's not a euphemism for the fastest track sprinter

Who are the three Kon voters in the poll? I'm assuming mjkvol is one

My favorite player of this bunch. I'd love to trade back and grab him along with another 1st rounder, and I don't believe there's a chance in hell that Morey would pick him at #3, but the kid is a pure baller that some team is going to be lucky to get.

[mjkvol]

In the second half of the season (25 games) Kon was finishing 73% at the rim & 90% long-two makes unassisted

His OREB% jumped to 6.1 and STL to 2.5%, for some context, considering athletics is one of Ace's few crutches, his numbers for the season were 7.0 OREB% and 1.7 STL%.

He's getting docked for aura and complexion tax in the same way Ace is benefiting from them.

Kon's also a rare shooter, it's a shame he doesn't have an extra two inches on that wingspan.

Still my #4 player in the class however.

I'm not docking Kon for being white. I'm docking him in that watching that tape he wasn't impressive. He relied on a monstrosity at center to receive a lot of toss ups that I could have thrown. You put Kon on Rutgers and he would have floundered worse than Ace, easily.

I've said this all along regarding Kon - he's going to be one of those guys who is a lot more valuable to a contender than he would to a losing team. As @stormi said, he's a #3 on a contending team or at the very least a Derrick White type of invaluable contributor.

[Iverson Armband]

Guard defense is way overrated.

[Black Mage]

Guard defense is way overrated.

There's a difference between being able to guard and being a turnstile. Tre is the latter.

[eyeatoma]

Guard defense is way overrated.

Said the 2024 Sixers.

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[76ciology]

Guard defense is way overrated.

There's a difference between being able to guard and being a turnstile. Tre is the latter.

Give me a name of an athletic guard with 6’10” wingspan that is a liability on defense.

[Black Mage]

Guard defense is way overrated.

There's a difference between being able to guard and being a turnstile. Tre is the latter.

Give me a name of an athletic guard with 6’10” wingspan that is a liability on defense.

Jordan Clarkson (6'10").

Afernee Simons (6'9")

Doug McDermott (6'9.5")

Gradey Dick (6'9")

Lonnie Walker (6'10").

[76ciology]

There's a difference between being able to guard and being a turnstile. Tre is the latter.

Give me a name of an athletic guard with 6’10” wingspan that is a liability on defense.

Jordan Clarkson.

I didnt know he has a 6’10” wingspan

[Mik317]

guard defense is more about screen navigation noawadays and just general awareness

[Negrodamus]

Guard defense is way overrated.

There's a difference between being able to guard and being a turnstile. Tre is the latter.

Give me a name of an athletic guard with 6’10” wingspan that is a liability on defense.

Most of them are out of the league or buried on the bench.

James Bouknight?

[zaz102]

Lonnie Walker

[76ciology]

guard defense is more about screen navigation noawadays and just general awareness

Yes, and most teams now run zone principles similar to the Heat, where multiple defenders shade toward the ball or collapse on areas they’re willing to give up, like floaters or shots from a poor shooter.

The Cavs have Garland and finished #1 in the East.
The Knicks have Brunson and made the ECF.
The Mavs have Kyrie and Luka and reached the Finals.

This idea that “everyone has to be a good multi-positional defender” is still relevant but the game is evolving and they are not a must with how teams are improving their defensive schemes.

If you watch the OKC-Nuggets series, you’ll realize defense is more about IQ. Being able to read where the offense is going and even creating traps in order to be a step ahead of the offense.

[Mik317]

Garland has been ass in both of his playoff appearences and the Mavs lost the finals due to those two being sieves on that end tho. I'd also put Brunson and Boat Feet KAT in PNR hell but they have a gaggle of wings that makes that hard.

so its still important that your guards aren't complete zeroes too

[76ciology]

Bouknight has 6’8” wingspan and has questionable IQ.

Lonnie Walker fits the mold, but his biggest issue is offensive consistency. If he were a reliable shooter, I don’t think the Spurs would’ve ever let him go.

[Negrodamus]

Bouknight has 6’8” wingspan and has questionable IQ.

Lonnie Walker fits the mold, but his biggest issue is offensive consistency. If he were a reliable shooter, I don’t think the Spurs would’ve ever let him go.

I should've went to the actual combine page. I'm scrolling through the past drafts and filtering 6'10 and, I mean, there's a lot but they are exactly as I said: out of the league or buried on a roster.

[76ciology]

If you ask me, you guys are putting too much emphasis on defense, when the reality is that most of the game comes down to having an ultra-elite, efficient scorer who can dominate all 3 levels.

Just look at the numbers for Haliburton, Jokic, Brunson, and SGA, they’re finishing 60–70% at the rim, hitting around 50% from self generated midrange shots, and shoot good % from self generated 3pt shots. And that’s before you even factor in their ability to read and react to different defensive coverages. They’re not just scoring efficiently, they’re picking defenses apart.

[76ciology]

Bouknight has 6’8” wingspan and has questionable IQ.

Lonnie Walker fits the mold, but his biggest issue is offensive consistency. If he were a reliable shooter, I don’t think the Spurs would’ve ever let him go.

I should've went to the actual combine page. I'm scrolling through the past drafts and filtering 6'10 and, I mean, there's a lot but they are exactly as I said: out of the league or buried on a roster.

Yeah, but are they defensive liabilities?

The mere fact that you have to dig deep means they are very few.

I’ll give you one name. Nick Young. But Young is not a serious baller and has questionable IQ. Another one is JR Smith, but I think he was decent.

[Black Mage]

Bouknight has 6’8” wingspan and has questionable IQ.

Lonnie Walker fits the mold, but his biggest issue is offensive consistency. If he were a reliable shooter, I don’t think the Spurs would’ve ever let him go.

Nothing I've seen shows Tre has any defensive IQ. Also, Tre doesn't have the hip agility; so while he's athletic in some ways, he isn't when it comes to change of direction and hip fluidity which are both extremely important in being able try and offer resistance at the point of attack. Just watch the vids, he looks like he is standing still b/c he cannot react quickly enough in the hips when a player gets him leaning one way and then shifts back the other.