The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV

[stormi]

Ben is our best player, and a top 3 player league wide

[Negrodamus]

Ben is our best player, and a top 3 player league wide

Big game fishing this morning, are we?

[stormi]

Ben is our best player, and a top 3 player league wide

Big game fishing this morning, are we?

Trying to balance the equilibrium of our thread here

[blargh]

I think Simmons is borderline top 25, but I still think he gets in. The eye test of this recent stretch where he was out shows how much impact he has on the offensive side. We just get much better shots as a team when he plays. His defensive contributions are obvious. I think I take him over guys like Holiday and Gobert.

[76ciology]

Ben is our best player, and a top 3 player league wide

Big game fishing this morning, are we?

Trying to balance the equilibrium of our thread here

“Speaking into existence”

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They are right, he's definitely not top 25 this season, I wouldn't even put him in the top 40 to be honest.
The biggest problem is his ego, stubbornness and unwillingness to listen to criticism.
You can tell from his interviews, he thinks all people who urge him to improve his offensive game are idiots, and call them "not knowing basketball", acting like what he does is the only right way, which is wrong more often than not.
I am not a ben hater, if you had looked at my previous posts, I have been a big Ben supporter, but his actions, unwillingness to improve and attitude is really rubbing me the wrong way as of late.

Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons have a 30-6 record together. What a scrub.

And they're 35-11 when Embiid plays.

The driving force of their success is the big fella. Obviously having his best support pieces helps, and Ben is the second most impactful guy on the roster, particularly with the lack of additional playmakers... But come on. Tobias has a arguably outplayed him this season. I don't see a particularly good case for him as a top 25 guy on this particular season, and without looking too much into it, I don't think it's that crazy for someone to say there's 40 guys having a better season than him this year (not saying I agree with it, just don't think it's completely outlandish)

I get the use of this stat in the context of when people say he's not that helpful to winning/hurts the team, but as a rebuttal to there being a bunch of guys having a better season than him? That's just lazy parroting of a stat that's been thrown around recently.

If you think Philly are 1st in the east and don't thi k he is a top 40 player you're missing a lot

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Simmons will determine how far Philly goes

[DCasey91]

Watch on YouTube

Centralize Ben in halfcourt as the roll man/receiver of moving plays great things can happen. Bulls are bad but the plays are all there for Ben. Go bananas is the first half literally empty the gas tank then focus on defense & pick up the scraps for scores and make the usual passing or reading plays in the second half that should be Ben’s offensive game, like the game today.

I think the biggest reason why Embiid/Simmons don’t sink well together is the awareness coming from both. Ben wants to play big, so does Embiid, Embiid misses or is late to notice Ben as a passing option and Ben gets in Embiid’s way in the post when he wants to bully ball. One plays fast one plays slow.

High wing PNR as the tandem play should be their number one offensive game between the two, it’s up to Doc to run the obvious here. It leaves a ton of space in the money spot which is the post.

Ben thrives in space and very dependent on it for his offensive game, in the playoffs he won’t get that a lot of the time except for broken plays. Guards though can definitely create space and maneuvere into positions so Ben should receive more in attacking positions instead of self creation which isn’t his go, heck a green/Ben pnr lob worked well and Green ain’t even like that as a ballhandler lol. It’s like Ben you are in a prime attacking position with not much need to self generate it bodes well imo if the utilization is more a passing highly mobile big man. Great screen setter too that people forget.

Interesting to note a couple of times that game once the space closed he’s looking to a guard to make the actual attacking action. Took awhile both times, hence why Redick/Milton/Curry/Covington/Korkmaz/Green/Beli etc etc as run and gunners play well with Ben as well as sprinting rolling or stretch Big men (Holmes/Saric). The downside then is Ben has to self generate the scoring because of role player dependency issues leading to glass cannon offense at times. That’s the catch 22 here.

He’s limited we all know that but he’s self aware of his limitation when it comes to individual offense.

Both Embiid and Ben’s flaws on offense are easily solvable with the player were gunning for, for awhile now. Do not give up on Ben yet. I’m treating him as the square rather then a circle people think he is or should be.

They say Butler couldn’t co exist with Ben I wonder which year Ben and Embiid had his best scoring year until this year? It’s the primary guards job to feed the big guys, and he was more effienct in the playoffs albeit lower volume (which is still really good for third banana that’s what you want)

I mean Gun Guards can make even horrible bigs look decent. If we turned back the clocks I don’t think Ben should have been given the PG job at all rookie season, but because he was by far our best passer on the team and had a handle while being an elite athlete it sucked the management and the coaches in.

[youngcrev]

Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons have a 30-6 record together. What a scrub.

And they're 35-11 when Embiid plays.

The driving force of their success is the big fella. Obviously having his best support pieces helps, and Ben is the second most impactful guy on the roster, particularly with the lack of additional playmakers... But come on. Tobias has a arguably outplayed him this season. I don't see a particularly good case for him as a top 25 guy on this particular season, and without looking too much into it, I don't think it's that crazy for someone to say there's 40 guys having a better season than him this year (not saying I agree with it, just don't think it's completely outlandish)

I get the use of this stat in the context of when people say he's not that helpful to winning/hurts the team, but as a rebuttal to there being a bunch of guys having a better season than him? That's just lazy parroting of a stat that's been thrown around recently.

If you think Philly are 1st in the east and don't thi k he is a top 40 player you're missing a lot

Who has had a better season (not who is the better player in general, because that's not the original point of contention): Ben Simmons or Tobias Harris?

I think Ben's clearly a top-40 talent in the league, but he's had a very up and down year, while there's been a lot of guys around the league having career seasons.

In terms of advanced stats, BPM, VORP and Win shares all have him right around 40 on the season. RPM likes him quite a bit more.

[stormi]

More of this please, Ben. The game is very simple

Read on Twitter

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More of this please, Ben. The game is very simple

Read on Twitter

Simple?

Size to shoot over smaller defenders.

Speed, handles, vision and driving ability to create space for open shots.

Simple for the 1-2 players in the league who can do it.

[syntax]

Watch on YouTube

Centralize Ben in halfcourt as the roll man/receiver of moving plays great things can happen. Bulls are bad but the plays are all there for Ben. Go bananas is the first half literally empty the gas tank then focus on defense & pick up the scraps for scores and make the usual passing or reading plays in the second half that should be Ben’s offensive game, like the game today.

I think the biggest reason why Embiid/Simmons don’t sink well together is the awareness coming from both. Ben wants to play big, so does Embiid, Embiid misses or is late to notice Ben as a passing option and Ben gets in Embiid’s way in the post when he wants to bully ball. One plays fast one plays slow.

High wing PNR as the tandem play should be their number one offensive game between the two, it’s up to Doc to run the obvious here. It leaves a ton of space in the money spot which is the post.

Ben thrives in space and very dependent on it for his offensive game, in the playoffs he won’t get that a lot of the time except for broken plays. Guards though can definitely create space and maneuvere into positions so Ben should receive more in attacking positions instead of self creation which isn’t his go, heck a green/Ben pnr lob worked well and Green ain’t even like that as a ballhandler lol. It’s like Ben you are in a prime attacking position with not much need to self generate it bodes well imo if the utilization is more a passing highly mobile big man. Great screen setter too that people forget.

Interesting to note a couple of times that game once the space closed he’s looking to a guard to make the actual attacking action. Took awhile both times, hence why Redick/Milton/Curry/Covington/Korkmaz/Green/Beli etc etc as run and gunners play well with Ben as well as sprinting rolling or stretch Big men (Holmes/Saric). The downside then is Ben has to self generate the scoring because of role player dependency issues leading to glass cannon offense at times. That’s the catch 22 here.

He’s limited we all know that but he’s self aware of his limitation when it comes to individual offense.

Both Embiid and Ben’s flaws on offense are easily solvable with the player were gunning for, for awhile now. Do not give up on Ben yet. I’m treating him as the square rather then a circle people think he is or should be.

They say Butler couldn’t co exist with Ben I wonder which year Ben and Embiid had his best scoring year until this year? It’s the primary guards job to feed the big guys, and he was more effienct in the playoffs albeit lower volume (which is still really good for third banana that’s what you want)

I mean Gun Guards can make even horrible bigs look decent. If we turned back the clocks I don’t think Ben should have been given the PG job at all rookie season, but because he was by far our best passer on the team and had a handle while being an elite athlete it sucked the management and the coaches in.

So many inaccuracies in this i'm not sure where to start... will leave it be.

[stormi]

More of this please, Ben. The game is very simple

Read on Twitter

Simple for the 1-2 players in the league who can do it.

Don't do this lol

[DCasey91]

Watch on YouTube

Centralize Ben in halfcourt as the roll man/receiver of moving plays great things can happen. Bulls are bad but the plays are all there for Ben. Go bananas is the first half literally empty the gas tank then focus on defense & pick up the scraps for scores and make the usual passing or reading plays in the second half that should be Ben’s offensive game, like the game today.

I think the biggest reason why Embiid/Simmons don’t sink well together is the awareness coming from both. Ben wants to play big, so does Embiid, Embiid misses or is late to notice Ben as a passing option and Ben gets in Embiid’s way in the post when he wants to bully ball. One plays fast one plays slow.

High wing PNR as the tandem play should be their number one offensive game between the two, it’s up to Doc to run the obvious here. It leaves a ton of space in the money spot which is the post.

Ben thrives in space and very dependent on it for his offensive game, in the playoffs he won’t get that a lot of the time except for broken plays. Guards though can definitely create space and maneuvere into positions so Ben should receive more in attacking positions instead of self creation which isn’t his go, heck a green/Ben pnr lob worked well and Green ain’t even like that as a ballhandler lol. It’s like Ben you are in a prime attacking position with not much need to self generate it bodes well imo if the utilization is more a passing highly mobile big man. Great screen setter too that people forget.

Interesting to note a couple of times that game once the space closed he’s looking to a guard to make the actual attacking action. Took awhile both times, hence why Redick/Milton/Curry/Covington/Korkmaz/Green/Beli etc etc as run and gunners play well with Ben as well as sprinting rolling or stretch Big men (Holmes/Saric). The downside then is Ben has to self generate the scoring because of role player dependency issues leading to glass cannon offense at times. That’s the catch 22 here.

He’s limited we all know that but he’s self aware of his limitation when it comes to individual offense.

Both Embiid and Ben’s flaws on offense are easily solvable with the player were gunning for, for awhile now. Do not give up on Ben yet. I’m treating him as the square rather then a circle people think he is or should be.

They say Butler couldn’t co exist with Ben I wonder which year Ben and Embiid had his best scoring year until this year? It’s the primary guards job to feed the big guys, and he was more effienct in the playoffs albeit lower volume (which is still really good for third banana that’s what you want)

I mean Gun Guards can make even horrible bigs look decent. If we turned back the clocks I don’t think Ben should have been given the PG job at all rookie season, but because he was by far our best passer on the team and had a handle while being an elite athlete it sucked the management and the coaches in.

So many inaccuracies in this i'm not sure where to start... will leave it be.

Oh really please do share?

[Jailblazers7]

More of this please, Ben. The game is very simple

Read on Twitter

These are the type of plays that give us all hope but they're honestly really difficult shots. The real key here is that these are shots with a specific rhythm where he doesn't have time to think. He clearly has some touch and talent to hit shots but any time where he has time dramatically reduces his effectiveness. FTs, open threes, and even drives where he looks like he's thinking of a line of attack immediately drop off. I hope he keeps working on his form but at this point it feels like a mental barrier that he needs to overcome.

[the_process]

As of right now, I lean toward dealing him in the offseason.

[kio80]

As of right now, I lean toward dealing him in the offseason.

I agree, even if we do miraculously win the championship.
This is his ceiling and he’s trending downwards, gotta get rid of him ASAP


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[Zumramania]

I recently had an epiphany. Is there a single person, object, or abstract entity in this world that you have more mixed feelings about than Ben Simmons? For me there is none.

[76ciology]

Let’s talk about something that I have mixed feeling for.

How do you view his “leader in assists for 3pters”? I COULD BE WRONG. I think its an overrated aspect of his offense and more of a byproduct of his inability to score.

I dont mind him leading in that category if he’s also scoring atleast 20 a game. Like someone like Harden, Doncic, chris paul or Lebron. Breaking down the defense at will then scoring or kicking it out to open shooters.

But if he’s scoring Norman Powell scoring numbers or single digits while leading in that category, I dont think it means that much and just mean that he just drives a lot and has to kick it out because he can’t score off them. We’ve seen how many bail out 3s guys like Roco and Dario have to jack up before.

People asks why Melo, Jordan or Kobe are ball hog?And you can also see Embiid suffering from this. Its because these guys knows they can make any shot so it kind of hard (hard not impossible)for them to decide whether to pass or shoot.

But for a guy like Ben or TJ MccOnnell or Draymond, these guys can’t shoot or score so their dominant instinct is always to pass. And when you pass ALOT, it’s not that good and you may lead the league is “passes per 36” and other assists related categories which isnt as valuable without looking at the entire context.