Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[Sixersftw]

Fan: Enjoy and support your team!

Team: drafts Evan Turner, trades for Andrew Bynum, drafts Jahlil Okafor, hires slimy GM at the direction of his father, nearly kills prospect with sesame seeds.

Recalled majority of the board including Bodner were high on Evan Turner.

I recalled Kobe Bryant was high on Evan Turner

Wait till I tell you KD's thoughts on Fultz.

[DCasey91]

I cant find my post where i compared KPJ to Edwards.

I still maintain my position that KPJ is right there with Edwards in terms of value.

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The only question about him is his character thats why he was acquired by the Rox with a low price.

If you can’t get Edwards, I wouldnt mind having KPJ given he has been scared straight

And my gahdd.. i’d take KPJ over Dejounte Murray everyday.

So would I if he wasn’t a headcase

Josh Christopher though 6”4”ish 220! I like this guy too as you’d know since pre draft months and months ago. He is the one for me that might be stuck on the backburner and won’t get correct playing time.

Gives me bigger Donovan Mitchell vibes.

He isn’t that far off Edwards/KPJ just on the bodytypes and play style.

Rockets suddenly have a big depth of young top blue chip talent overnight.

We should do the same lol

[Skates]

The Evan Turner draft, most of us were convinced he was the high ceiling, do it all, safe pick. A few really wanted Boogie, I liked Derrick Favors over Cousins because not a headcase, but for the most part we were all sure Turner was the best pick at the second spot and surely the safest, you know, until he wasn't. Also a weirdly emo guy, more outwardly than Ben at first. Seems popular as a coach, turned out to be not much as a player.

Porter Jr is just as likely to be All-NBA as out of the league in a few years, million dollar talent with a ten cent head. Hope he does well, but not valuing him as more than a high risk, high reward kind of guy.

The interesting thing will be if we cannot get a guy to really slot in seamlessly to the team, how much more moving and shaking Morey will do later to adjust for that. I have literally no idea what this team will look like by this time next year.

[Negrodamus]

The Evan Turner draft, most of us were convinced he was the high ceiling, do it all, safe pick. A few really wanted Boogie, I liked Derrick Favors over Cousins because not a headcase, but for the most part we were all sure Turner was the best pick at the second spot and surely the safest, you know, until he wasn't. Also a weirdly emo guy, more outwardly than Ben at first. Seems popular as a coach, turned out to be not much as a player.

Porter Jr is just as likely to be All-NBA as out of the league in a few years, million dollar talent with a ten cent head. Hope he does well, but not valuing him as more than a high risk, high reward kind of guy.

The interesting thing will be if we cannot get a guy to really slot in seamlessly to the team, how much more moving and shaking Morey will do later to adjust for that. I have literally no idea what this team will look like by this time next year.

The Evan Turner draft was the most confusing and silly situation I've ever seen. For context (not that many need it here), we had second year Jrue Holiday, in prime Andre Iguodala, 22 year old Thaddeus Young, Elton Brand with some tread left on the tires, Jodie Meeks, and Lou Williams as our major contributors. Not a center in the bunch. Spencer Hawes was our biggest contributing center.

Draft class is headlined by John Wall and, for some reason, a junior who finally exploded in his third year Evan Turner. After Turner, we had two absolute freshman forces at the PF/C spots in DeMarcus Cousins and Derrick Favors. Advanced stats aside (which, to be fair, Evan's was quite good), the allure of need mixed with youth felt extremely obvious that Cousins and Favors were the obvious choice.

Instead, we smashed another non-shooter who was also slow footed into the mix and he predictably bust.

[rzzzzz]

The Evan Turner draft, most of us were convinced he was the high ceiling, do it all, safe pick. A few really wanted Boogie, I liked Derrick Favors over Cousins because not a headcase, but for the most part we were all sure Turner was the best pick at the second spot and surely the safest, you know, until he wasn't. Also a weirdly emo guy, more outwardly than Ben at first. Seems popular as a coach, turned out to be not much as a player.

Doug Collins kid was high on Favors, and Doug brought him and Cousins to Philly for a pre-draft workout. Kate reported that Cousins “threw Favors around the court like a rag doll.” Then he took them both out to dinner and wished them well. Doug wanted no part of Cousins’ well known temper. Which is really too bad, because at that point the Sixers had a pretty good roster, and were about a dominant center away from being a real contender.

Doug drafted Turner, of course, and it was an awkward fit. Turner had peaked early in college and was not destined for greatness. Hinkey had to get rid of him, though, because he was playing too well and pulling out too many games before the next year’s draft. Larry Bird was high on him, but Turner upset the Pacers star at the time, Lance Stephenson, who frankly needed a good sock in the jaw. But that got Turner moved on again. Brad Stevens was the first coach to get what Turner was good at, which was running point for the 2nd unit in Boston, which got Evan a great contract, but he was no savior for the Blazers. Meanwhile, Cousins lost the chip on the shoulder after getting away from Sacramento, but unfortunately his body couldn’t keep up with his first great opportunity.

[Stanford]

I wanted Giannis in that Evan Turner draft.

[KramerDSP]

The wiretap article about the Wolves being bullish on Simmons includes this excerpt:

"They want to get in," said Krawczynski on a Minnesota trade for Simmons. "I think Simmons' value around the league is pretty low, but the Wolves are bullish. They want to be at the head of this table. They know they don't have the pieces to give Daryl Morey that are immediately going to help him win a championship. The hope is that maybe if Daryl Morey gets pressed into a corner, maybe he would take a draft pick heavy package from the Wolves and then use some of those picks later on down the line to go get a Damian Lillard or a Bradley Beal."

I like the fact that we seem to be maneuvering towards a situation where the worst case scenario is “a draft pick heavy package from the Wolves.”

I am a sucker for draft picks. Especially draft picks that belong to other teams. Especially those as poorly run as the Wolves over the decades. I think it is a perfect storm of new owners (think about the Russian Billionaire and Brooklyn) wanting to make a splash with their core.

I get that this conflicts with Embiid’s prime. I believe Simmons’ absence will hurt us in some areas, but I also think it might unlock some of Embiid’s full capabilities at the same time. I feel like the way to approach this is to not go after the dinosaurs or anyone on the wrong side of 30.

Go for someone young, hope that player blows up and that Embiid unlocks another level in his game, becoming the undisputed most valuable player. If it’s Beasley, Beverley, and (almost all) the picks, so be it. SOMEONE is going to want those picks down the road and I would think they are more valuable than a lot of the picks OKC has in their war chest.

Kyrie Irving and Jayson Tatum are examples of the fruition of picks that were traded years and years ago. It’s a huge gamble, but say Beasley and Beverley fit perfectly and somehow make us even better while Minnesota implodes. In that scenario, I have to wonder if our collection of Minnesota picks/swaps would be more attractive than OKC/NOP’s collections. We’d also likely be the most desired team of the three in the eyes of the disgruntled superstar. And we’d be rid of The Excuse.

MINN 2022 (unprotected)
Right to swap with MINN 2023
MINN 2024 (unprotected)
Right to swap with MINN 2025
MINN 2026 (top five protected, becomes unprotected the following year)

It’s gotta be that for me to seriously say “screw it. Gimme the picks.” But embiid will need to be reassured that we are planning on doing something with them (preferably converting them into someone like SGA) versus sitting on them.

[Negrodamus]

The wiretap article about the Wolves being bullish on Simmons includes this excerpt:

"They want to get in," said Krawczynski on a Minnesota trade for Simmons. "I think Simmons' value around the league is pretty low, but the Wolves are bullish. They want to be at the head of this table. They know they don't have the pieces to give Daryl Morey that are immediately going to help him win a championship. The hope is that maybe if Daryl Morey gets pressed into a corner, maybe he would take a draft pick heavy package from the Wolves and then use some of those picks later on down the line to go get a Damian Lillard or a Bradley Beal."

I like the fact that we seem to be maneuvering towards a situation where the worst case scenario is “a draft pick heavy package from the Wolves.”

I am a sucker for draft picks. Especially draft picks that belong to other teams. Especially those as poorly run as the Wolves over the decades. I think it is a perfect storm of new owners (think about the Russian Billionaire and Brooklyn) wanting to make a splash with their core.

I get that this conflicts with Embiid’s prime. I believe Simmons’ absence will hurt us in some areas, but I also think it might unlock some of Embiid’s full capabilities at the same time. I feel like the way to approach this is to not go after the dinosaurs or anyone on the wrong side of 30.

Go for someone young, hope that player blows up and that Embiid unlocks another level in his game, becoming the undisputed most valuable player. If it’s Beasley, Beverley, and (almost all) the picks, so be it. SOMEONE is going to want those picks down the road and I would think they are more valuable than a lot of the picks OKC has in their war chest.

Kyrie Irving and Jayson Tatum are examples of the fruition of picks that were traded years and years ago. It’s a huge gamble, but say Beasley and Beverley fit perfectly and somehow make us even better while Minnesota implodes. In that scenario, I have to wonder if our collection of Minnesota picks/swaps would be more attractive than OKC/NOP’s collections. We’d also likely be the most desired team of the three in the eyes of the disgruntled superstar. And we’d be rid of The Excuse.

MINN 2022 (unprotected)
Right to swap with MINN 2023
MINN 2024 (unprotected)
Right to swap with MINN 2025
MINN 2026 (top five protected, becomes unprotected the following year)

It’s gotta be that for me to seriously say “screw it. Gimme the picks.” But embiid will need to be reassured that we are planning on doing something with them (preferably converting them into someone like SGA) versus sitting on them.

I'm guessing Morey would want to do a three team trade rather than being a bagholder here.

[the_process]

The wiretap article about the Wolves being bullish on Simmons includes this excerpt:

"They want to get in," said Krawczynski on a Minnesota trade for Simmons. "I think Simmons' value around the league is pretty low, but the Wolves are bullish. They want to be at the head of this table. They know they don't have the pieces to give Daryl Morey that are immediately going to help him win a championship. The hope is that maybe if Daryl Morey gets pressed into a corner, maybe he would take a draft pick heavy package from the Wolves and then use some of those picks later on down the line to go get a Damian Lillard or a Bradley Beal."

I like the fact that we seem to be maneuvering towards a situation where the worst case scenario is “a draft pick heavy package from the Wolves.”

I am a sucker for draft picks. Especially draft picks that belong to other teams. Especially those as poorly run as the Wolves over the decades. I think it is a perfect storm of new owners (think about the Russian Billionaire and Brooklyn) wanting to make a splash with their core.

I get that this conflicts with Embiid’s prime. I believe Simmons’ absence will hurt us in some areas, but I also think it might unlock some of Embiid’s full capabilities at the same time. I feel like the way to approach this is to not go after the dinosaurs or anyone on the wrong side of 30.

Go for someone young, hope that player blows up and that Embiid unlocks another level in his game, becoming the undisputed most valuable player. If it’s Beasley, Beverley, and (almost all) the picks, so be it. SOMEONE is going to want those picks down the road and I would think they are more valuable than a lot of the picks OKC has in their war chest.

Kyrie Irving and Jayson Tatum are examples of the fruition of picks that were traded years and years ago. It’s a huge gamble, but say Beasley and Beverley fit perfectly and somehow make us even better while Minnesota implodes. In that scenario, I have to wonder if our collection of Minnesota picks/swaps would be more attractive than OKC/NOP’s collections. We’d also likely be the most desired team of the three in the eyes of the disgruntled superstar. And we’d be rid of The Excuse.

MINN 2022 (unprotected)
Right to swap with MINN 2023
MINN 2024 (unprotected)
Right to swap with MINN 2025
MINN 2026 (top five protected, becomes unprotected the following year)

It’s gotta be that for me to seriously say “screw it. Gimme the picks.” But embiid will need to be reassured that we are planning on doing something with them (preferably converting them into someone like SGA) versus sitting on them.

I'm guessing Morey would want to do a three team trade rather than being a bagholder here.

Neubeck already had an article earlier where he quoted something from the team to the effect of “Morey doesn’t want picks and just a hope of turning them into a impact player, he wants that impact player now”.

So Minnesota’s pick pile isn’t gonna cut it. The Wolves are either going to have to find a player Morey wants that they can pry free with their draft picks, or Anthony Edwards has to be on the table. ARod wants Simmons, he wants to make a splash, I promise you that.

[Skates]

That Minnesota article just read like T-Wolves propaganda pretending that it was a real article because it mentioned Gupta's interim status.

Too lazy to look it up, but didn't Paul George end up being the Giannis/Donovan Mitchell of the Evan Turner draft? Ah, the years of Turner pounding the ball as he dribbled time away, or faded into the corner and just stood there if he didn't have the ball. Fun times.

And folks we are rounding the corner towards Simmons trade thread VI just ahead!!!

[the_process]

I did my best to be fair to all teams and players involved, including KAI. Irving may not want to leave, but Philly is a competitive landing spot that I think he would accept. He can play all 82 games unvaccinated in PA should he choose, thereby retaining over $17mil, and still be close to family. The Spurs have done well with reclamation projects, and are in need of starpower. Ben gets to be THE man, in an organization that can help him mature and won't stress his shooting hesitancy.

Please let me know your thoughts:

https://fanspo.com/nba/s/nets/trades/ElQ2eNEzdiltpy/nets-sixers-and-spurs

Brooklyn breaks up the Big 3 to fortify the defense and draw down their luxury tax exposure.
Harden, Murray, Durant, Griffin, Claxton
Mills, Brown, Harris, Millsap, Aldridge


Philadelphia balances the floor and the scoring load for Joel. Kyrie stays close to home, and agrees to full participation in exchange for an extension.
Irving, Green, Thybulle, Harris, Embiid
Maxey, Milton, Korkmaz, Young, Drummond


San Antonio adds an athletic playmaking All-Star who could use a fresh start.
Simmons, White, Johnson, McDermott, Poeltl
Curry, Walker, Primo, Eubanks, Samanic

No need for the Sixers to add Seth Curry to that without being compensated. Ben for Kyrie straight up is good enough, and if the Nets prefer to bring in a third team to send Ben to for assets they are welcome.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Evan Turner was such a disappointment for me personally. I wanted so badly for him to be great. I thought we were getting a hybrid of Brandon Roy/Grant Hill! I really did! I thought he was going to be a HELL of a player for us! Triple double threat while dropping anywhere from 21-25 a night for us. The Evan Turner era for me was one of the hardest eras I have ever endured as a fan of this team. I mean, Shawn Bradley was a colossal failure, but I was busy skateboarding and chasing girls when that happened. I was also living out in Arizona and really just wasn't invested in Philly basketball at the time. Sharone Wright...Fine...Whatever, Tim Thomas....Okay, we still have Iverson and we were still on the up and up. But Evan Turner....That was my first real bitter taste of a failed top 3 draft pick. Not only that, but then we traded for Andrew Bynum and things just went from bad to worse. What an era! A terrible one.

[the_process]

That Minnesota article just read like T-Wolves propaganda pretending that it was a real article because it mentioned Gupta's interim status.

Too lazy to look it up, but didn't Paul George end up being the Giannis/Donovan Mitchell of the Evan Turner draft? Ah, the years of Turner pounding the ball as he dribbled time away, or faded into the corner and just stood there if he didn't have the ball. Fun times.

And folks we are rounding the corner towards Simmons trade thread VI just ahead!!!

That Jon K guy from Minnesota has put out that same article about how “Wolves really, really, really want Simmons; but Towns and Edwards are untouchable” about five times now.

Well, Jon K, considering the Wolves can’t find anyone to take their picks… if they want Simmons, Edwards is going to have to be very touchable.

[Skates]

Process haters always forget to mention that Hinkie took over after the five current or future number first rounders going out and Andrew Bynum and the immortal Arnett Moultrie coming in return. Oh yeah, and the corpse of Jason Richardson. Two future first rounders were owed if we stayed a treadmill team with what was left and two of those players that went out became a Finals MVP and multiple ring holder (Iggy) and an All-Star team capable big in Vucevich. Turner, Thad, Jrue (who was hurt, but not publicized, hence us getting fined after he was traded) and Spencer Hawes if added to around the edges were just good enough to lose those future first rounders. That was why the tear down happened, aftershocks of the Bynum and Moultrie deals.

[Kobblehead]

Honestly, Evan Turner still looks like a beast on paper. Yeah, he was old, but he was good enough to be a lotto pick after his sophomore year, too.

It's just a shame he was fat, a jerk, and never worked on his jumper. He had everything else.

[spikeslovechild]

That Minnesota article just read like T-Wolves propaganda pretending that it was a real article because it mentioned Gupta's interim status.

Too lazy to look it up, but didn't Paul George end up being the Giannis/Donovan Mitchell of the Evan Turner draft? Ah, the years of Turner pounding the ball as he dribbled time away, or faded into the corner and just stood there if he didn't have the ball. Fun times.

And folks we are rounding the corner towards Simmons trade thread VI just ahead!!!

Pretty much you aren't bullish on Simmons if you are offering Russell and taking antman off the table.

If that is the offer then there isn't a deal to be made with the Wolves but I suspect it maybe posturing we will see I guess. I do know I have no interest in Russell or their felon in waiting.

[Slacktard]

Honestly, Evan Turner still looks like a beast on paper. Yeah, he was old, but he was good enough to be a lotto pick after his sophomore year, too.

It's just a shame he was fat, a jerk, and never worked on his jumper. He had everything else.

I was never really high on Turner. I thought he was at best going to be an Iguodala type. I never saw him as becoming an elite nba player and I thought if you had a high pick and you team had NO STAR you went for STAR POTENTIAL. Period.

Interesting reading something I wrote shortly after the 2010 draft.

The Sixers post-Miami thrice probably would have a Holiday and Turner in their prime and then after that? Who knows. I personally think EVERY NBA team should stay in 'rebuild mode' until they get that top-10 talent because without that player to build a team around you're not going to have a championship contender.

This was 3 years before we got Hinkie and no wonder I always supported Hinkie lol. He basically took the approach I always believed in and implemented it.

[Slick SickSir]

The Evan Turner draft, most of us were convinced he was the high ceiling, do it all, safe pick. A few really wanted Boogie, I liked Derrick Favors over Cousins because not a headcase, but for the most part we were all sure Turner was the best pick at the second spot and surely the safest, you know, until he wasn't. Also a weirdly emo guy, more outwardly than Ben at first. Seems popular as a coach, turned out to be not much as a player.

Porter Jr is just as likely to be All-NBA as out of the league in a few years, million dollar talent with a ten cent head. Hope he does well, but not valuing him as more than a high risk, high reward kind of guy.

The interesting thing will be if we cannot get a guy to really slot in seamlessly to the team, how much more moving and shaking Morey will do later to adjust for that. I have literally no idea what this team will look like by this time next year.

Evan Turner would have been everything most of us thought he would be had our dumbass coaching staff at the time not told him to add 30 pounds and play small forward.

He needed to stay 205 pounds and play POINT GUARD where he was at his best getting to the rim and finishing or dishing

But, par the course with this **** ass team we turned him into an overweight SF. Hideously stupid

PS. Get the **** rid if simmons already god almighty

[ankle420breaker]

I could see Utah eventually emerge as a dark horse here. Quietly good fit for Ben. Something like Ben and Shake for Ingles and Clarkson could eventually intrigue both parties. Ingles is a free agent after this year so his new favorite Aussie teammate (Thybulle) would need to ensure he re-signs here on a short deal.

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[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I could see Utah eventually emerge as a dark horse here. Quietly good fit for Ben. Something like Ben and Shake for Ingles and Clarkson could eventually intrigue both parties. Ingles is a free agent after this year so his new favorite Aussie teammate (Thybulle) would need to ensure he re-signs here on a short deal.

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I would love to see Jordan Clarkson here, but I will explode with anger if that is all we get in return for Ben Simmons. On top of that, is Ben Simmons really a good fit with D Mitchell? I don't think so. Mitchell is the lead guy on that team. He has the ball in his hands on every possession, he's their point guard based on him being the alpha of that team. In my opinion, Ben Simmons would be an atrocious fit with Mitchell and would ultimately stifle the impact of Rudy Gobert as well. Acquiring Clarkson would be huge for us, but it would have to be some sort of three way deal. I doubt that Utah being built the way they are, have any interest in Ben Simmons. Now if you take Mitchell off that team, then Simmons makes sense for them, but he's a bad fit with that cast. Even worse than he is here.