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Re: Rumors: Heat wants Kapono in exchange for Michael Beasley. 

Post#21 » by HartfordWhalers » Thu Jul 8, 2010 9:58 pm

Slacktard wrote:I don't understand how that helps the Heat salary wise because aren't they trying to dump Beasley to a team with cap-room for NOTHING in return?

Kapono makes $1.7m MORE than Beasley, while the trade could happen since the Heat are the under cap, it would make Lebron/Wade/Bosh have to take even smaller salaries to off-set the difference.


Edit: TPE wouldn't help.
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Post#22 » by The76thDegree » Thu Jul 8, 2010 10:03 pm

because Kapono contributed to their title run so why not get him back and see if he can a key piece for them again

If they hold onto Beasley he will get very few minutes and let off a ton of negative energy while Kapono knows he is a role player and is more accepting of it and will hit shots when his number is called like he did before

theyll have spots 2,3,4 locked down with allstars for many years and Beasely sure as hell isnt a 1 or 5 so what would be the point of keeping him? Beasley has no future there so might as well ship him off

As for picks I would only do the rights to swap second rounders

If a deal like this was being discussed as ridiculous as it sounds we would have the upper hand even though Beasley is a former #2 and still has potential - theyre looking to get rid of him its not us looking to obtain him
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Re: Rumors: Heat wants Kapono in exchange for Michael Beasley. 

Post#23 » by youngcrev » Thu Jul 8, 2010 10:03 pm

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Slacktard wrote:I don't understand how that helps the Heat salary wise because aren't they trying to dump Beasley to a team with cap-room for NOTHING in return?

Kapono makes $1.7m MORE than Beasley, while the trade could happen since the Heat are the under cap, it would make Lebron/Wade/Bosh have to take even smaller salaries to off-set the difference.


The trade works after all the free agents sign. Sure, all of them still need to sign for .9 million less a year (I thought it was more like 1.5 before). But Miami has that super valuable Chris Quinn trade exception, so they can use tht and the 125% +100,000 and do Beasely for Kapono straight up after W-B-L all sign. And if Toronto S&T Bosh for a ginormous TPE, that would free up a little more money still as Bosh could start lower and make the same amount.


Trade exceptions can't be combined with other players in a trade, and they have to waive that anyway, as it counts against the cap.
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Re: Rumors: Heat wants Kapono in exchange for Michael Beasley. 

Post#24 » by dbodner » Thu Jul 8, 2010 10:05 pm

youngcrev wrote:
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Slacktard wrote:I don't understand how that helps the Heat salary wise because aren't they trying to dump Beasley to a team with cap-room for NOTHING in return?

Kapono makes $1.7m MORE than Beasley, while the trade could happen since the Heat are the under cap, it would make Lebron/Wade/Bosh have to take even smaller salaries to off-set the difference.


The trade works after all the free agents sign. Sure, all of them still need to sign for .9 million less a year (I thought it was more like 1.5 before). But Miami has that super valuable Chris Quinn trade exception, so they can use tht and the 125% +100,000 and do Beasely for Kapono straight up after W-B-L all sign. And if Toronto S&T Bosh for a ginormous TPE, that would free up a little more money still as Bosh could start lower and make the same amount.


Trade exceptions can't be combined with other players in a trade, and they have to waive that anyway, as it counts against the cap.


I don't believe trade exceptions count against the cap, just the MLE/Bi-Annual/etc. i'll double check, you could be right.
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Post#25 » by Phastbreak91 » Thu Jul 8, 2010 10:05 pm

Damn if we got Beasley, we would be the deepest team in the league. All this young talent has to net us a good veteran in a trade. He might even turn it around and start tearing up the league. We dont even have to pick up his option either if we cant trade or keep him. I say pull the trigger and bring on SuperCoolBeas.
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Post#26 » by philly262 » Thu Jul 8, 2010 10:13 pm

Maybe it's a 3 way trade....

If the Andre Miller Rudy trade is true maybe Miller and Rudy go to Miami, while Kapono and Jason Smith goes to Portland and Beasley to Philly.

It would get rid of Miller's contract and replace it with an expiring.

I don't know what's true right now nothing really makes sense trade value wise so I'm just throwing this out there.
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Re: Rumors: Heat wants Kapono in exchange for Michael Beasley. 

Post#27 » by HartfordWhalers » Thu Jul 8, 2010 10:19 pm

dbodner wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
Trade exceptions can't be combined with other players in a trade, and they have to waive that anyway, as it counts against the cap.


I don't believe trade exceptions count against the cap, just the MLE/Bi-Annual/etc. i'll double check, you could be right.


Your right about combining the TPE like I said they could, but its not technical cap space and cannot be used to sign a free agent, so I think your wrong on that it would need to be waived. In fact, I'm not sure it could be waived.

Okay, back to the question, how does this work? If Miami signed and traded a minimum salary player it would work, unless I'm missing something. Anyone want Pittman?
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Post#28 » by bdownbear » Thu Jul 8, 2010 10:24 pm

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Post#29 » by fierceCRT » Thu Jul 8, 2010 10:35 pm

The Heat simply just want to get rid of him for anything. Nobody will take him not even the raptors. I would take the deal just to add another asset as stated above. There would be absolutely no way to distribute min tho.
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Post#30 » by philly262 » Thu Jul 8, 2010 10:35 pm

From the CBA Bible Larry Coon translation....

The Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and Traded Player exceptions may be lost entirely, or the team may never receive them to begin with. This happens when their team salary is so low that when the exceptions are added to the team salary, the sum is still below the salary cap. If the team salary is below this level when the exception arises, then the team doesn't get the exception. If the team salary ever drops below this level during the year, then any exceptions they had are lost.

There is logic behind this. The whole idea behind an "exception" is that it is an exception to the rule which says a team has to be below the salary cap. In other words, an exception is a mechanism which allows a team to function above the cap. If a team isn't over the cap, then the concept of an exception is moot. Therefore, if a team's team salary ever drops this far, its exceptions go away. The effect is that a team may have either exceptions or cap room, but they can't have both.
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Re: Rumors: Heat wants Kapono in exchange for Michael Beasley. 

Post#31 » by Rnd Mnd of Rbnd » Thu Jul 8, 2010 10:41 pm

Oh my god I would do that in a second. It does so many good things for us by not only giving us an additional trade chip but also by making Young/Speights more expendable if we somehow decide to keep Beasley.

Question: If we move Kapono for Beasley, would that put us in a position to use the MLE w/out having to pay the luxury tax? Not so great with this cap stuff.
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Post#32 » by Phastbreak91 » Thu Jul 8, 2010 10:41 pm

His game reminds me of Carmelo Anthony without the 3pt range. You can tell he's in love with the jumper which can be a good or bad thing for our team. Still he'd be able to do more than Kapono.
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Post#33 » by 76ersxMVP » Thu Jul 8, 2010 10:47 pm

I want Michael Beasley to get minutes before Andres Nocioni and Willie Green. 8-)
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Post#34 » by Point-God » Thu Jul 8, 2010 10:47 pm

Beasley will be a scoring machine once he finishes physically maturing. The guy turned 21 this year. Strength is a key component of his game. He has not been stronger than his NBA competition to date. That will change as he reaches full maturity. He doesn't even have to mature mentally to be a scoring machine. Maturing mentally will turn him into a better team player like Carmelo after playing with Billups.
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Post#35 » by ZzAzZ » Thu Jul 8, 2010 10:50 pm

I would love him to be our backup PF playing about 25-30 minutes a game until he can play some D.
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Post#36 » by ZarcMumoff » Thu Jul 8, 2010 10:50 pm

Just so much young talent...Beasley would just add to it. You need to that deal.
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Post#37 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Thu Jul 8, 2010 10:51 pm

Yeah thats an awesome offer right there. We could throw in Green as well.
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Post#38 » by Negrodamus » Thu Jul 8, 2010 10:51 pm

Kapono who is one dimensional for the second pick in the draft who is incredibly athletic... This shouldn't even be a conversation. You do it as soon as you are offered.
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Re: Rumors: Heat wants Kapono in exchange for Michael Beasley. 

Post#39 » by HartfordWhalers » Thu Jul 8, 2010 10:52 pm

Thanks philly262.
So it is not that the trade exception counts against the cap, it is that you lose it entirely when you dip below the cap. I knew the MLE was gone if under the cap, but had no idea TPE's could disappear.

As far as I can tell, Miami signing and sending out a minimum player would make the trade work, anyone see any reason it wouldn't?
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Post#40 » by sixerfan1976 » Thu Jul 8, 2010 10:59 pm

we do not have interest in beasley.

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