NBA likely to vote on changing draft odds next month

[PMFJB]

Whatever, at this point who cares. If the current player rankings hold true the swingmen/shooters we would likely be targeting would be available when we pick.

My favorite part is how nobody notices or seems to remember that we didn't finish with the worst record last year.

That is not the point. You guys tried as hard as you could to get the worst record by keeping your best player out. You purposely picked two guys who wouldn't play this year so that you would be horrible again and get another top pick.

You purposely didn't sign anyone to field a horrible basketball team.
The bucks who were the worse never did any of those things. They were just plain bad. But you purposely did all those things.

Now you are right, that is well within the rules. But so was punching an opponent without getting tossed in the 80s. The bad boys brought to light what horrible rules they had and changed them.

Your team just brought to light how someone can purposely put the worst product possible to get some ping pong balls. And now the rules changed no different.

What your team is doing is not against the rules but it goes against what everyone has ever been taught and that is to try to compete no matter what and let the chips fall where they may. And that is where the issue lies.

I actually support the rule change, but to implement it AFTER the offseason is over is an egregious punishment against the Sixers. Who knows how the strategy would have changed if this was voted on in say, April. These types of decisions have mutli-year impacts.

...but it's okay guys.

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We already won

League changes happen all the time. You can't be mad at that.

And I am actually rooting for Embiid seems like a nice kid. I like Noel too. Hope they both stay healthy.

[BullyKing]

The 89/90 Pistons took an aggressive approach to winning to. They tried hurting their opponents to get a win. Now was that allowed back then? Sure.
Were they playing around the rules set forth back then? Sure.
Was it dirty and unsportsmanlike? Yep.
Did it cause and uproar for the league to change the rules? Yep

Same concept, except the dirty part. This is just disgraceful to competitive sports to field the worst team possible. I don't see why you can't see that.

Because its equally disgraceful to competitive sports to not be willing to try anything creative to become a contender and instead simply accept your fate as perpetual also ran. Look, no one is going to change your opinion on this and you're entitled to have it. But thinking that your opinion is the only one with moral authority is wrong.

Look no one batted an eye when he traded an all star for picks. Good trade actually. Sell high.
But to keep your best player out. Ok. Maybe he was "injured". MAYBE.

But the draft was the final nail in the coffin for Hinkie. Had you kept Payton no one would have said anything. But you had to trade him for a guy who won't play for 2 years when you were in dire need of talent. And you didn't sign anyone that was an nba caliber player.
I can't remember ANYONE doing this in team sports.

You call it creative, I call it smug, unsportsmanlike and unprofessional. And now the rules have changed because everyone can see that.

The problem with your opinion is that it is based on complete nonsense. You keep acting like Embiid and Saric were selected solely because they won't play this year when there is no evidence to support that. The Sixers took the best player available and those two were only available because they won't play this year. Unless you hate on them for taking Nerlens last year, there is no basis for doing so here.

And I'll give you the same opportunity that I give everyone that hates on Hinkie for not signing anyone. Who should they have signed that would have made any difference? Who knows, maybe you'll actually be the first person to answer it.

[wickedwrister]

The 89/90 Pistons took an aggressive approach to winning to. They tried hurting their opponents to get a win. Now was that allowed back then? Sure.
Were they playing around the rules set forth back then? Sure.
Was it dirty and unsportsmanlike? Yep.
Did it cause and uproar for the league to change the rules? Yep

Same concept, except the dirty part. This is just disgraceful to competitive sports to field the worst team possible. I don't see why you can't see that.

Because its equally disgraceful to competitive sports to not be willing to try anything creative to become a contender and instead simply accept your fate as perpetual also ran. Look, no one is going to change your opinion on this and you're entitled to have it. But thinking that your opinion is the only one with moral authority is wrong.

Look no one batted an eye when he traded an all star for picks. Good trade actually. Sell high.
But to keep your best player out. Ok. Maybe he was "injured". MAYBE.

But the draft was the final nail in the coffin for Hinkie. Had you kept Payton no one would have said anything. But you had to trade him for a guy who won't play for 2 years when you were in dire need of talent. And you didn't sign anyone that was an nba caliber player.
I can't remember ANYONE doing this in team sports.

You call it creative, I call it smug, unsportsmanlike and unprofessional. And now the rules have changed because everyone can see that.

So trade Jrue coming off an all star season for 2 first round picks is a good trade but trading Elfrid Payton for 2 firsts and a 2nd is smug, unsportsmanlike and unprofessional?

[roma258]

Whatever, at this point who cares. If the current player rankings hold true the swingmen/shooters we would likely be targeting would be available when we pick.

My favorite part is how nobody notices or seems to remember that we didn't finish with the worst record last year.

That is not the point. You guys tried as hard as you could to get the worst record by keeping your best player out. You purposely picked two guys who wouldn't play this year so that you would be horrible again and get another top pick.

You purposely didn't sign anyone to field a horrible basketball team.
The bucks who were the worse never did any of those things. They were just plain bad. But you purposely did all those things.

Now you are right, that is well within the rules. But so was punching an opponent without getting tossed in the 80s. The bad boys brought to light what horrible rules they had and changed them.

Your team just brought to light how someone can purposely put the worst product possible to get some ping pong balls. And now the rules changed no different.

What your team is doing is not against the rules but it goes against what everyone has ever been taught and that is to try to compete no matter what and let the chips fall where they may. And that is where the issue lies.

You sir seem to have no concept of a long term vision. If all goes well the 76ers are fast tracking their way out of the lottery and into being contenders. Most teams get out of the lottery and stay average, at best for years. The 76ers are being bad for a few years in hopes they never ever sniff the lottery again for a good decade or more.

Once upon a time everyone was taught that the world was flat. New ideas came along and boom things changed. Just because you were taught something does not mean it is the only way to do things for the rest of your life. Things change, people (Hinkie) innovate and try new ways to do things. That's life.

The same people that are crying about how unfair the 76ers are...will be crying even harder at the end of the season if they change the lottery and the 76ers end up with the #1 pick.

Surface level analysis at its best. Let's go point by point:
You guys tried as hard as you could to get the worst record by keeping your best player out.
Are we talking about Noel? The guy with the ACL tear? You mean we did the same exact thing as the Bulls or any other team with a franchise player who had a major injury....

You purposely picked two guys who wouldn't play this year so that you would be horrible again and get another top pick.
We picked the two best players available. Period. Had Embiid not gotten hurt, we don't get him and happily snag Wiggins or Parker. And if you saw Saric play in the World Cup, you'd know he's legit.

You purposely didn't sign anyone to field a horrible basketball team.
So we're supposed to overpay some vet, tie up our salary cap space and reduce minutes to our young guys to make you feel better? Ok, no.

The bucks who were the worse never did any of those things. They were just plain bad. But you purposely did all those things.
And still had a better record. Which defeats your point, a bit, no? And we still have a better roster than last year. Probably won't have the worst record in the league this year either. Kind of odd for such a cheating, tanking team, isn't it?

[BullyKing]

Because its equally disgraceful to competitive sports to not be willing to try anything creative to become a contender and instead simply accept your fate as perpetual also ran. Look, no one is going to change your opinion on this and you're entitled to have it. But thinking that your opinion is the only one with moral authority is wrong.

Look no one batted an eye when he traded an all star for picks. Good trade actually. Sell high.
But to keep your best player out. Ok. Maybe he was "injured". MAYBE.

But the draft was the final nail in the coffin for Hinkie. Had you kept Payton no one would have said anything. But you had to trade him for a guy who won't play for 2 years when you were in dire need of talent. And you didn't sign anyone that was an nba caliber player.
I can't remember ANYONE doing this in team sports.

You call it creative, I call it smug, unsportsmanlike and unprofessional. And now the rules have changed because everyone can see that.

So trade Jrue coming off an all star season for 2 first round picks is a good trade but trading Elfrid Payton for 2 firsts and a 2nd is smug, unsportsmanlike and unprofessional?

No, no, no. You are missing his point. We were in "dire need of talent" during the draft this year whereas last year we were overflowing with talent.

[Xepa777]

That is not the point. You guys tried as hard as you could to get the worst record by keeping your best player out. You purposely picked two guys who wouldn't play this year so that you would be horrible again and get another top pick.

You purposely didn't sign anyone to field a horrible basketball team.
The bucks who were the worse never did any of those things. They were just plain bad. But you purposely did all those things.

Now you are right, that is well within the rules. But so was punching an opponent without getting tossed in the 80s. The bad boys brought to light what horrible rules they had and changed them.

Your team just brought to light how someone can purposely put the worst product possible to get some ping pong balls. And now the rules changed no different.

What your team is doing is not against the rules but it goes against what everyone has ever been taught and that is to try to compete no matter what and let the chips fall where they may. And that is where the issue lies.

I actually support the rule change, but to implement it AFTER the offseason is over is an egregious punishment against the Sixers. Who knows how the strategy would have changed if this was voted on in say, April. These types of decisions have mutli-year impacts.

...but it's okay guys.

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We already won

League changes happen all the time. You can't be mad at that.

And I am actually rooting for Embiid seems like a nice kid. I like Noel too. Hope they both stay healthy.

It's one thing to change the rip-through move or the flopping policy, and it's another to completely affect a multi-million dollar payroll decision.

Forget it, everyone be salty now. When the Sixers get a top 3 draft pick in 2016 despite being #10 in the East we will laugh.

[Chamberlainship]

Define "made a difference."

There are plenty of bona fide NBA players that could have made sixers more watchable this year and (if the long-rumored lottery proposal goes through) would not have hurt lottery odds that much.

[PMFJB]

Because its equally disgraceful to competitive sports to not be willing to try anything creative to become a contender and instead simply accept your fate as perpetual also ran. Look, no one is going to change your opinion on this and you're entitled to have it. But thinking that your opinion is the only one with moral authority is wrong.

Look no one batted an eye when he traded an all star for picks. Good trade actually. Sell high.
But to keep your best player out. Ok. Maybe he was "injured". MAYBE.

But the draft was the final nail in the coffin for Hinkie. Had you kept Payton no one would have said anything. But you had to trade him for a guy who won't play for 2 years when you were in dire need of talent. And you didn't sign anyone that was an nba caliber player.
I can't remember ANYONE doing this in team sports.

You call it creative, I call it smug, unsportsmanlike and unprofessional. And now the rules have changed because everyone can see that.

So trade Jrue coming off an all star season for 2 first round picks is a good trade but trading Elfrid Payton for 2 firsts and a 2nd is smug, unsportsmanlike and unprofessional?

You were selling high on Jrue. On a team that was rebuilding.

Payton is at least equal to Saric. Time will tell if he is better but he seems like it based on his summer league performance so far. But again who knows. But he was talent you desperately needed. Way different situations.

Then you went ahead and signed NO ONE. When you needed talent in the worst way. It was obvious what you were doing and no one likes it except sixers fans. That should tell you all you need to know about this situation.

Look at the Celtics for comparison. They gave up their best players for picks BUT they kept adding talent. Did anyone say anything? No.

I get it, its your team and you will defend it no matter what. Look we have people in our board that defend JR Smith even though he is a complete moron and a detriment to our team. It doesn't make it right though.

[BullyKing]

Define "made a difference."

There are plenty of bona fide NBA players that could have made sixers more watchable this year and (if the long-rumored lottery proposal goes through) would not have hurt lottery odds that much.

Yes, Channing Frye would have made the Sixers better this year but Jerami Grant is more watchable to me. The definition of difference is enough to make people like you stop whining.

[BullyKing]

Look no one batted an eye when he traded an all star for picks. Good trade actually. Sell high.
But to keep your best player out. Ok. Maybe he was "injured". MAYBE.

But the draft was the final nail in the coffin for Hinkie. Had you kept Payton no one would have said anything. But you had to trade him for a guy who won't play for 2 years when you were in dire need of talent. And you didn't sign anyone that was an nba caliber player.
I can't remember ANYONE doing this in team sports.

You call it creative, I call it smug, unsportsmanlike and unprofessional. And now the rules have changed because everyone can see that.

So trade Jrue coming off an all star season for 2 first round picks is a good trade but trading Elfrid Payton for 2 firsts and a 2nd is smug, unsportsmanlike and unprofessional?

Payton is at least equal to Saric. Time will tell if he is better but he seems like it based on his summer league performance so far. But again who knows. But he was talent you desperately needed. Way different situations.

Oh, I'm sold now. First, it is not enough for Payton to be "at least equal to Saric." He has to be better than Saric by enough to compensate for a first and second round pick. Second, seriously, this is based on a couple of summer league games? Do you think Payton would have even gotten off the bench for Turkey in FIBA? Third, you do realize we already have MCW right?

[PMFJB]

Define "made a difference."

There are plenty of bona fide NBA players that could have made sixers more watchable this year and (if the long-rumored lottery proposal goes through) would not have hurt lottery odds that much.

Yes, Channing Frye would have made the Sixers better this year but Jerami Grant is more watchable to me. The definition of difference is enough to make people like you stop whining.

Loul Deng, Ariza, Chandler Parsons, Bledsoe, Lowrly, Monroe. Were all attainable and could have helped immensely.
Parsons would have filled a big need in a 3 that spaces the floor. Why not go for him?

Oh right because you are trying to put the worst possible team to get the top pick. That is what people are talking about.
You were one of the teams with the most cap space and still you didn't even attempt to get those guys.

Parsons would have fit perfectly in a young guy who can grow with the core of your team. But nope.

[ET Da Gawd]

why would we get a shorter pg than mcw that can't shoot??? Our plans fine, might get real easier...middling tanking is gonna be the new craze lol.

[roma258]

Look no one batted an eye when he traded an all star for picks. Good trade actually. Sell high.
But to keep your best player out. Ok. Maybe he was "injured". MAYBE.

But the draft was the final nail in the coffin for Hinkie. Had you kept Payton no one would have said anything. But you had to trade him for a guy who won't play for 2 years when you were in dire need of talent. And you didn't sign anyone that was an nba caliber player.
I can't remember ANYONE doing this in team sports.

You call it creative, I call it smug, unsportsmanlike and unprofessional. And now the rules have changed because everyone can see that.

So trade Jrue coming off an all star season for 2 first round picks is a good trade but trading Elfrid Payton for 2 firsts and a 2nd is smug, unsportsmanlike and unprofessional?

You were selling high on Jrue. On a team that was rebuilding.

Payton is at least equal to Saric. Time will tell if he is better but he seems like it based on his summer league performance so far. But again who knows. But he was talent you desperately needed. Way different situations.

Then you went ahead and signed NO ONE. When you needed talent in the worst way. It was obvious what you were doing and no one likes it except sixers fans. That should tell you all you need to know about this situation.

Look at the Celtics for comparison. They gave up their best players for picks BUT they kept adding talent. Did anyone say anything? No.

I get it, its your team and you will defend it no matter what. Look we have people in our board that defend JR Smith even though he is a complete moron and a detriment to our team. It doesn't make it right though.

Are you high? We desperately needed Payton when we have the point guard of our future in MCW? Payton was a bargaining chip and nothing else. We got exactly what we needed from him. I was rooting for McDermott to be honest, but Payton is most definitely not at a need position, at all. And if we're gonna talk about summer league and ignore the World Cup, which is a much higher level competition, with much higher stakes....then I have a hard time taking what you're saying in good faith.

[ET Da Gawd]

throw the bank at parsons to fight for the 6th seed? Doesn't seem like a good move man, it's all about talent aqcusition for the low, we're sitting on mad money that can help us facilitate possible blockbuster trades down the line or for throwing it at a free agent in a couple of years. That treadmill is not a good look, you need to build a team capable of taking down the king and the spurs/thunder (if you even get out of the east).

[PMFJB]

So trade Jrue coming off an all star season for 2 first round picks is a good trade but trading Elfrid Payton for 2 firsts and a 2nd is smug, unsportsmanlike and unprofessional?

You were selling high on Jrue. On a team that was rebuilding.

Payton is at least equal to Saric. Time will tell if he is better but he seems like it based on his summer league performance so far. But again who knows. But he was talent you desperately needed. Way different situations.

Then you went ahead and signed NO ONE. When you needed talent in the worst way. It was obvious what you were doing and no one likes it except sixers fans. That should tell you all you need to know about this situation.

Look at the Celtics for comparison. They gave up their best players for picks BUT they kept adding talent. Did anyone say anything? No.

I get it, its your team and you will defend it no matter what. Look we have people in our board that defend JR Smith even though he is a complete moron and a detriment to our team. It doesn't make it right though.

Are you high? We desperately needed Payton when we have the point guard of our future in MCW? Payton was a bargaining chip and nothing else. We got exactly what we needed from him. I was rooting for McDermott to be honest, but Payton is most definitely not at a need position, at all. And if we're gonna talk about summer league and ignore the World Cup, which is a much higher level competition, with much higher stakes....then I have a hard time taking what you're saying in good faith.

Navarro, Juan Carlos

All star in the Spain national team but wouldn't be able to cut a starting lineup in the nba.

And again I said who knows. I don't know who will be better. I never said anything definite.

[PMFJB]

throw the bank at parsons to fight for the 6th seed? Doesn't seem like a good move man, it's all about talent aqcusition for the low, we're sitting on mad money that can help us facilitate possible blockbuster trades down the line or for throwing it at a free agent in a couple of years. That treadmill is not a good look, you need to build a team capable of taking down the king and the spurs/thunder (if you even get out of the east).

No you don't. By the time you are good (in 3 years) Lebron will be 33. Spurs would have broken up.

[roma258]

You were selling high on Jrue. On a team that was rebuilding.

Payton is at least equal to Saric. Time will tell if he is better but he seems like it based on his summer league performance so far. But again who knows. But he was talent you desperately needed. Way different situations.

Then you went ahead and signed NO ONE. When you needed talent in the worst way. It was obvious what you were doing and no one likes it except sixers fans. That should tell you all you need to know about this situation.

Look at the Celtics for comparison. They gave up their best players for picks BUT they kept adding talent. Did anyone say anything? No.

I get it, its your team and you will defend it no matter what. Look we have people in our board that defend JR Smith even though he is a complete moron and a detriment to our team. It doesn't make it right though.

Are you high? We desperately needed Payton when we have the point guard of our future in MCW? Payton was a bargaining chip and nothing else. We got exactly what we needed from him. I was rooting for McDermott to be honest, but Payton is most definitely not at a need position, at all. And if we're gonna talk about summer league and ignore the World Cup, which is a much higher level competition, with much higher stakes....then I have a hard time taking what you're saying in good faith.

Navarro, Juan Carlos

All star in the Spain national team but wouldn't be able to cut a starting lineup in the nba.

And again I said who knows. I don't know who will be better. I never said anything definite.

Shoot Casper Ware put up numbers in Summer League. You have this template you're trying to fit the Sixers into and keep failing. Just stop.

[steveb21]

[CoreyGallagher]

**** Philly!!! Cheaters!!!!!!!!

They're changing the rules because we didn't cheat, that's the point...

[PMFJB]

Are you high? We desperately needed Payton when we have the point guard of our future in MCW? Payton was a bargaining chip and nothing else. We got exactly what we needed from him. I was rooting for McDermott to be honest, but Payton is most definitely not at a need position, at all. And if we're gonna talk about summer league and ignore the World Cup, which is a much higher level competition, with much higher stakes....then I have a hard time taking what you're saying in good faith.

Navarro, Juan Carlos

All star in the Spain national team but wouldn't be able to cut a starting lineup in the nba.

And again I said who knows. I don't know who will be better. I never said anything definite.

Shoot Casper Ware put up numbers in Summer League. You have this template you're trying to fit the Sixers into and keep failing. Just stop.

Not trying to fit the sixers into any template. They were trying the lets do everything possible to tank for the next few years get the top pick 3 years in a row and be good plan.

No one likes it. Its unsportmanlike and now the league has done something about it. Pretty simple. No template.